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Old 03-18-2009, 08:07 AM    (permalink
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I would have said Bart Scott, but he is no longer a Raven...dude is Ed Hartwell 2.0 and benefitted ALOT from playing next to Ray...I have no doubt he is gunna flop in NY next year...guy just doesnt have the discipline nor athleticism to play the Ray Lewis role in that D...

However, on the Ravens, Im gunna say LeRon McClain...he is good in short yardage, and I like him as a change of pace and as a bruiser, but no way in hell should he be carrying the rock 20 times a game...big ball security issues and no long speed at all...the run at dallas doesnt count, because you could of run a dump truck through that hole
I don't really think he's going to be asked to play that role. I'm fairly sure the Jets will be using him in the same way as the Ravens, as a WILL inside backer. I'm fairly sure David Harris will be the Ray Lewis role SAM inside backer. Unless that wasn't what you meant.
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Well this player is good, but not as good as people make him out to be..


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Elvis Dummervil...he was good for one year, and totally got dominated last year. Hopeful that switching to 3-4 OLB helps.
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I'm pretty sure everyone knows by now that Ernie Sims is garbage. I don't think Calvin Johnson is as amazingly spectacular as some others do, but since he's still really ******* good I can't say him either.
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I don't really think he's going to be asked to play that role. I'm fairly sure the Jets will be using him in the same way as the Ravens, as a WILL inside backer. I'm fairly sure David Harris will be the Ray Lewis role SAM inside backer. Unless that wasn't what you meant.
I wasnt referring to the specific position, more the leadership/dominant role that Ray plays in our defense...Scott isnt capable of demanding the same sort of attention that Ray garners wherever they line up on the field, and I think people will see Scott's play drop drastically when he is the focus of the defense, rather then playing second fiddle to Ray and basically being the leftover man on a defense that has Ray, Suggs, Pryce, Ngata and Reed demanding attention. If Scott becomes the focus of a defense, how ill he react? And he certainly isnt a leader...he has mega discipline issues, and needs to learn to shut his mouth, especially when dealing with the media.
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I actually think most people have a pretty decent read on Urlacher and Tommie Harris. Pretty good players that aren't elite (in one case not anymore, in the other not consistent enough)

I'll say Alex Brown, and this goes to some Bears fans as well. Being great in run defense is nice, but no starting defensive end should ever average 6 sacks a year, even with a rotation. There's a reason the staff wanted to replace him with Mark Anderson.
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Asante Samuel. I love the fact that he's a ballhawk, but he's very, very average in coverage.
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Asante Samuel. I love the fact that he's a ballhawk, but he's very, very average in coverage.
Or a tick above on a good game where the matchup favors him. He's not above getting burned. Still a really good player, but yeah I agree with you.
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I have to disagree with APS I think Bart Scott will do very well on the Jets and I thought he did well on our team and I am one who does not think Scott was overrated. I also think McClain getting the ball 20times a game is a good thing
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I'd go with Ronnie Brown. He's good but he dances so much and his vision isn't very good.
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I wasnt referring to the specific position, more the leadership/dominant role that Ray plays in our defense...Scott isnt capable of demanding the same sort of attention that Ray garners wherever they line up on the field, and I think people will see Scott's play drop drastically when he is the focus of the defense, rather then playing second fiddle to Ray and basically being the leftover man on a defense that has Ray, Suggs, Pryce, Ngata and Reed demanding attention. If Scott becomes the focus of a defense, how ill he react? And he certainly isnt a leader...he has mega discipline issues, and needs to learn to shut his mouth, especially when dealing with the media.
I didn't like the Scott signing when we first made it, but the more I think about it the more I think he completes our LB corps.

He's in his prime, he's versatile, and he's not being asked to be Ray Lewis he's being asked to be Bart Scott.

Scott + Harris is going to be big in NY. I think Scott's one of those players who can thrive in NYC too. He does seem to like the flashing lights...

If theres a player to call "not that good" on the Jets its Faneca. I hope Trevor Canfield is drafted so I know we have a beast replacement for him.
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Falcons.

Harvey Dahl got a lot of recognition last season, and he was our worst offensive lineman.

Keith Brooking was horrible.

Michael Boley was nowhere to be seen. Still a beast when in the right scheme, though.
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John Henderson declined big time last year. If he doesn't improve this year he's gonna be a problem.

Reggie Nelson did not play well at all last year. Big disappointment.

Rashean Mathis is a very good player, probably the best player on our defense right now, but he's not Top 5 in the league or a consistent All-Pro player. He gets burned too much for that honor.
What's been wrong with Nelson? I thought he could be as good as Landry when they came out but Landry's been beasting and Nelson just seems mediocre.
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Keith Bulluck for sure. He probably peaked as a player right when the Titans sucked as a team, unfortunately. 2004-2005. Every year without fail he gets listed as a pro bowl snub, but he hasn't been at that level lately. A leader on D but he doesn't really have a particular strength on the field much anymore, and was never much against the run.
I've always wondered about that. In the Titans games I get to see, Bullock doesn't really seem to be that special on the field, but the last two years, a lot of Titans fans have sworn that Bullock is All-Pro caliber just like Haynesworth. Since I don't get to see too many Tennessee games, I stay relatively quiet.
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Ken Hamlin I guess if I had to pick from the cowboys. I feel he is the only guy I really overrate.
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For the Raiders, I don't think there is that player who is over rated (maybe Ronald Curry by select Raider fans until this year).

However, for "he's not that bad" I would say Tommy Kelly. A lot of people place him on the level of Javon Walker as a bust because of his contract. But he was actually one of our best defensive players last year. He wasn't a playmaker, but he controlled the line and did a good job of making a few plays as the season went on. A year removed from knee surgery I expect some sort of improvement in that category as well.

I don't think he'll ever be Sapp/T.Harris/Haynesworth, but he should not be lumped with Javon Walker or Deangelo Hall.
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I would say Bryant McKinnie. I would also say Darren Sharper when he was on the team. People underestimated just how bad he has become. I will also say Ryan Cook because I am sure people who play Madden and see his rating actually think he is decent.
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I wasnt referring to the specific position, more the leadership/dominant role that Ray plays in our defense...Scott isnt capable of demanding the same sort of attention that Ray garners wherever they line up on the field, and I think people will see Scott's play drop drastically when he is the focus of the defense, rather then playing second fiddle to Ray and basically being the leftover man on a defense that has Ray, Suggs, Pryce, Ngata and Reed demanding attention. If Scott becomes the focus of a defense, how ill he react? And he certainly isnt a leader...he has mega discipline issues, and needs to learn to shut his mouth, especially when dealing with the media.
You're making it sound like he's going to a defense where he will be the only good player and will be forced to be a leader. Remember this defense did really well last year with Eric Barton playing that role. Scott doesn't have to come in and put up ridiculous numbers for us to succeed, he just has to continue his strong play. The Jets have a lot of playmakers... Jenkins, Ellis, Harris, Pace, Revis, Rhodes, and Leonhard. And after that it's not like there are scrubs. Coleman, Thomas, and Sheppard are solid starters. I think Scott will have a great year, and I haven't seen him make any dumb comments to the media. He seems like a fairly intelligent guy.
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