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Old 04-01-2009, 06:33 PM    (permalink
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you guys are krazy, id choose vick as my madden QB, hot route every reciever to run a streak, or to one side of the field and then go all the way for a 100 yard TD :) ahh the good ol days
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I always said Vick wasn't an elite or great QB. Cutler FTW.
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i take vick cause he led his bad falcons team to the playoffs 2/4 years.
That's why I voted for Vick. He carried his team to the NFCCG and to other playoff vicotries. Cutler hasn't even been to the plays. I understand football is a team game so to put that all on Cutler is unfair but the difference between the two isn't big enough so I give Vick the edge because of multiple playoff wins.
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That's why I voted for Vick. He carried his team to the NFCCG and to other playoff vicotries. Cutler hasn't even been to the plays. I understand football is a team game so to put that all on Cutler is unfair but the difference between the two isn't big enough so I give Vick the edge because of multiple playoff wins.
Give me a break. Cutler has had two full years of starting, you have to give him a chance before you fault him for not making the playoffs. What did Peyton Manning do in his first 2 years? Is Trent Dilfer really better than Dan Marino? I don't think so. The Broncos didn't make the playoffs because they had the 29th ranked defense, not because they had the 2nd ranked offense.
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I take vick any day of the weak, id rather have a badass than a whiny ass *****.
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I just voted Vick because so many people hate on Vick.

I honestly wish the whole dog fighting thing never happened, these 2 seasons I really could have seen him develop greatly as a passer, he was making strides as a QB before this whole scandal.
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I can't wait until everybody is hanging off of Mike's nutsack again. Jim Mora and Gregg Knapp absolutely ruined him. How do those two still have jobs in the NFL again?

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i miss seeing Vick play :(
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he was my favorite player in the entire league.
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I was and still am a huge Vick supporter. I'm not sure there's been an NFL player in recent history who has been chastised more unfairly than Vick.

His play was always over-scrutinized because his style was so unique. Statistics don't show his true effect on the game so people constantly bash him on that basis. Plus, his uniqueness made it difficult for coaches to design the offense around him.

As far as off the field, he was a victim of the people around him like many athletes who come from humble beginnings. Vick was used constantly. Yes, it was his fault for allowing it to happen but you need to remember the situation Vick came out of. It's easy to say he should have done X or Y when you're on the outside looking in but it's completely different when you grew up as Michael Vick.
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I was and still am a huge Vick supporter. I'm not sure there's been an NFL player in recent history who has been chastised more unfairly than Vick.

His play was always over-scrutinized because his style was so unique. Statistics don't show his true effect on the game so people constantly bash him on that basis. Plus, his uniqueness made it difficult for coaches to design the offense around him.

As far as off the field, he was a victim of the people around him like many athletes who come from humble beginnings. Vick was used constantly. Yes, it was his fault for allowing it to happen but you need to remember the situation Vick came out of. It's easy to say he should have done X or Y when you're on the outside looking in but it's completely different when you grew up as Michael Vick.
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That video didn't show Vick gliding across the turf to make a TD.
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Depends on the team. If I have a terrible offense I would certainly take Vick because he can carry a team by himself and win games. If I've got a team with a lot of pieces in place and a pretty good offense, I'd probably take Cutler because he can run a traditional offense better and would be more consistent.

I picked Vick because it's fun.
I don't see how anyone can argue with this. If I have a bad offense I would take Vick, just because he couldn't really lose you any games if the offense was bad anyone. But he could put the team on his shoulders and win a few. In an average or good offense, I would take Cutler. In an average offense Cutler can probably win you more games than Vick. In a good offense Cutler could make it great.

If I have an imaginative coach I think I would take Vick. If my coach isn't afraid to think outside the box and utilize vick in a way that he needed to be utilized Vick could be incredibly dominant.
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I can't wait until everybody is hanging off of Mike's nutsack again. Jim Mora and Gregg Knapp absolutely ruined him. How do those two still have jobs in the NFL again?
As someone whose two favorite teams are the Seahawks and Falcons, this is such a sad topic. Those two restricted Vicks progression as a passer and now their in Seattle to **** up the Hawks anyway they can.

Before all the water bottle and dog fighting controversies, Mike Vick was still the most hated on because how he would embarrass their teams. He made Alge Crumpler look like Tony G and he made Finneran look like a #1. There is a reason why he was the highest paid player in the NFL.

Hopefully Mora gives Vick a chance in Seattle since he is the reason why he is still in this damn league.

Vick succeeded aka won games with a bad O-line, inexperienced/raw WRs, and a decent D.

Give me pre- PITA Vick.
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Vick pissed me off that he didn't make more plays in the passing game, but secretly he's one of those guys I'd want to be my starting QB.

He's a winner and if he had Michael Turner and a Braylon Edwards/Plaxico Burress/Terrell Owens big WR to throw to, he could've been a SB champ.

I hope that the NFL doesn't try to black ball him from the league and he's allowed to come back this season.
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As far as off the field, he was a victim of the people around him like many athletes who come from humble beginnings. Vick was used constantly. Yes, it was his fault for allowing it to happen but you need to remember the situation Vick came out of. It's easy to say he should have done X or Y when you're on the outside looking in but it's completely different when you grew up as Michael Vick.
I'm a huge Mike Vick jock sniffer, but let's be real for a sec.

He was in federal prison because he put up the cash to bankroll that entire dogfighting operation. He dragged his friends along in his hobby, not the other way around.

Still don't think it should be a federal crime.
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I was and still am a huge Vick supporter. I'm not sure there's been an NFL player in recent history who has been chastised more unfairly than Vick.

His play was always over-scrutinized because his style was so unique. Statistics don't show his true effect on the game so people constantly bash him on that basis. Plus, his uniqueness made it difficult for coaches to design the offense around him.

As far as off the field, he was a victim of the people around him like many athletes who come from humble beginnings. Vick was used constantly. Yes, it was his fault for allowing it to happen but you need to remember the situation Vick came out of. It's easy to say he should have done X or Y when you're on the outside looking in but it's completely different when you grew up as Michael Vick.
I disagree with this argument. He had ample opportunity (finances, time, distance) to separate himself from that life, from what he was and he chose not to do so.
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I disagree with this argument. He had ample opportunity (finances, time, distance) to separate himself from that life, from what he was and he chose not to do so.
This is what I find funny. It's easy to sit here coming from a middle or upper-class background with no athletic talent and say he should have done X, Y, and Z.

It's completely different when you're living that life. It's completely different when your parents are telling you they need money for this or that, your brother wants money, your uncle wants money, your friends want money, etc. Vick was a teenager when he began to get national exposure. You can't expect these kids to make good decisions when they're being influenced by all these people around them, talking in their ears. Do you think it is a coincidence so many athletes and celebrities get into financial trouble? They're targets. People are always trying to get into their pockets.

Even guys like LeBron James make mistakes off the field. It's a tough situation for these athletes and when a stand-up human being like James is making mistakes you can see how difficult it is.
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Culter, fairly easily. I want a QB who gets the ball to his WR/playmakers, not a guy who can run around and hit the occasional pass. I'm going to focus on the on the field traits rather than expand off of it. Cutler for me fairly easily.
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