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Old 04-04-2009, 05:55 AM    (permalink
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I agree that Vegeta outclasses pretty much everyone on the show with it comes to character development and the characters overall story arc in the 8000 episodes of DBZ.

Awesome character imo.
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I agree that Vegeta outclasses pretty much everyone on the show with it comes to character development and the characters overall story arc in the 8000 episodes of DBZ.

Awesome character imo.
Very true....I know he's my favorite. I always like the bad guys gone good in any kind of show or series.
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I suppose Broly would be strong as hell, he was and is still the ONLY Legendary Super Saiyan in the entire series.



I love Vegeta because of his arrogance. The one thing I always hated about DBZ is that Goku was the hero. It should have been Vegeta, who has a much better character for a series. Really, Goku is too... perfect. Vegeta has his flaws, but he's a very fluid character with a very clear devellopment throughout the series. Goku starts of as a rediculously strong moron with a huge appetite and he still is when the series end (DB original, Z and GT) he doesn't really change one bit. Vegeta is always the same, but different, but the vegeta from GT is still very clearly the same guy as he was in the Saiyan Saga, but he's changed through the years.

That's why I love Vegeta, he's the strongest character.
No...the strongest character is Son Goku, and always has been...no matter how much you admire Vegeta. Towards the end of the series, Vegeta even admits that Son Goku is a stronger fighter and that no amount of training will ever be enough to surpass him.

And I don't consider GT canon at all because it doesn't make sense in the slightest in terms of how Dragonball was written and Akira Toriyama wasn't part of the development.

Why would Vegeta have been the hero of the series? That isn't logical at all. He was a villian for quite some time and didn't show any form of self-righteousness until the series was practically over. Honestly, his development is in mirror image of Piccolo Daimao, except that Vegeta was more arrogant to the point of where he didn't think straight and usually paid for it in the form of a severe beatdown and or caused more problems for the other Z Senshi. It just took longer for him to "turn a new leaf". There is a consistent theme of karma usually biting him in the ass, which is probably why he never passes Son Goku in skill.
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I always liked the Japanese version of that scene more.



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The Japanese version of the entire series is drastically overall better. The American dubbed version is complete garbage. Actually, the anime isn't that great at all when compared to the manga. And the movies aren't anything special in my opinion either. I only have one favorite which is "Dead Zone." "The World's Strongest Guy" is decent, as is "Super Deciding Battle for the Entire Planet Earth." Everything afterwards is very average with the same themes coming over and over again with the storylines getting more absurd. If you think about it, most of the films are just a shortcut as to what happened in the storyline of the actual anime/manga.
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No...the strongest character is Son Goku, and always has been...no matter how much you admire Vegeta. And I don't consider GT canon at all because it doesn't make sense in the slightest in terms of how Dragonball was written and Akira Toriyama wasn't part of the development.

Why would Vegeta have been the hero of the series? That isn't logical at all. He was a villian for quite some time and didn't show any form of self-righteousness until the series was practically over. Honestly, his development is in mirror image of Piccolo Daimao, except that Vegeta was more arrogant to the point of where he didn't think straight and usually paid for it in the form of a severe beatdown and or caused more problems for the other Z Senshi. It just took longer for him to "turn a new leaf".
I think he meant strongest in terms of character development, not actual power. But I'm actually not sure that I agree with that either. Did Vegeta really change all that much as the series went on? Not really. He was basically arrogant all the way through. The only change was he went from evil to kind of evil, to sort of neutral, to kind of good. His personality really never changed throughout however.
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I think he meant strongest in terms of character development, not actual power. But I'm actually not sure that I agree with that either. Did Vegeta really change all that much as the series went on? Not really. He was basically arrogant all the way through. The only change was he went from evil to kind of evil, to sort of neutral, to kind of good. His personality really never changed throughout however.
I always found Vegeta the most interesting character though. I cared more about what happened to him than pretty much everyone else. He may have been an arrogant prick but I just loved how flawed his character was. He may have taken a long time to change but he did eventually change. Admittedly it has been a really long time since I have watched the series so maybe my view on Vegate is a little skewed because of that but I also always found him to be the strongest character.
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I always found Vegeta the most interesting character though. I cared more about what happened to him than pretty much everyone else. He may have been an arrogant prick but I just loved how flawed his character was. He may have taken a long time to change but he did eventually change. Admittedly it has been a really long time since I have watched the series so maybe my view on Vegate is a little skewed because of that but I also always found him to be the strongest character.
I think you could say he's the most interesting character, but I really don't think his character is all that strong. As Ness pointed out, he's basically Piccolo (who probably had more character development and was likely a stronger character now that I think about it), but more powerful to face the increasingly powerful villians the show had to come up with once Super Saiyan was reached.
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I always found Vegeta the most interesting character though. I cared more about what happened to him than pretty much everyone else. He may have been an arrogant prick but I just loved how flawed his character was. He may have taken a long time to change but he did eventually change. Admittedly it has been a really long time since I have watched the series so maybe my view on Vegate is a little skewed because of that but I also always found him to be the strongest character.
Everyone always falls in love with the anti-hero. The Solid Snakes, the Batmans, the Wolverines. Which is fine, and I'll admit that Vegeta brings a element to the storyline that doesn't make it completely boring since by this time Piccolo Daimao calms down a little bit and is pretty much a good guy. But unlike Piccolo and the other examples of anti-heroes above, I just don't find Vegeta a very intelligent fighter, and his obsession to surpass Son Goku gets very annoying and repetitive to the point that whenever I read what Vegeta was saying it was always about surpassing Son Goku. It just becomes obnoxious to me.
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Everyone always falls in love with the anti-hero. The Solid Snakes, the Batmans, the Wolverines. Which is fine, and I'll admit that Vegeta brings a element to the storyline that doesn't make it completely boring since by this time Piccolo Daimao calms down a little bit and is pretty much a good guy. But unlike Piccolo and the other examples of anti-heroes above, I just don't find Vegeta a very intelligent fighter, and his obsession to surpass Son Goku gets very annoying and repetitive to the point that whenever I read what Vegeta was saying it was always about surpassing Son Goku. It just becomes obnoxious to me.
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I just watched this on cartoon network about 70 seconds ago, and thought I'd post it.

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Ive had GiTS 2nd gig sitting on my hard drive forever, in sexy 720p too, but still havent gotten around to watching it.
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Was the second movie any good? I have the first one, one of the only movies I've downloaded instead of just streaming it, love it. But haven't found a good stream for the second one, and I sort of expect it to suck, sequels and all.
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Boooo I refuse to stream, love me watching in some HQ. I have the 1st one on DVD actually, never seen the second.
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Future Gohan(from Trunks' timeline) was by far my favorite DBZ character. His story was tragic but he was a badass. Definitely way cooler than the regular Gohan. He doesn't get enough credit for being awesome and the manga screwed him over.
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Don't see how the manga screwed him over. He was a character in a very short story. Only a chapter if I'm not mistaken. He dies the same way as he did in the anime special if I remember correctly.
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Dragonball Z was amazing. Piccolo was my favorite by far.

The only thing i hated about DBZ was how, after the freeza saga, all the non-saiyan Z Warriors become pretty much obsolete. I mean Krillin and Tien would always have cameos and do a little bit here and there but the villains were all too strong for the weaker characters to even get a chance. Tien and Yamcha were so badass in Dragonball and they virtually got written out of DBZ

Tien's only Badass moment in DBZ:
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Dragonball Z was amazing. Piccolo was my favorite by far.

The only thing i hated about DBZ was how, after the freeza saga, all the non-saiyan Z Warriors become pretty much obsolete. I mean Krillin and Tien would always have cameos and do a little bit here and there but the villains were all too strong for the weaker characters to even get a chance. Tien and Yamcha were so badass in Dragonball and they virtually got written out of DBZ

Tien's only Badass moment in DBZ:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOslqlk-SOo
Yea, that's really one of the main reasons the show got so repetitive towards the end IMO. Once you go Super Saiyan, you've basically ensured that everyone but saiyans is useless.
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Ghost in the Shell and Ninja Scroll were probably the first two anime movies I ever saw, and remain two of my favorites to this day.
Hate to quote my own post but I forgot to throw Vampire Hunter D in there as well. Three great old school anime's IMO.





I know the one of the major is from SAC, not the movie, but I liked Stand Alone Complex as well.
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Dragonball Z was amazing. Piccolo was my favorite by far.

The only thing i hated about DBZ was how, after the freeza saga, all the non-saiyan Z Warriors become pretty much obsolete. I mean Krillin and Tien would always have cameos and do a little bit here and there but the villains were all too strong for the weaker characters to even get a chance. Tien and Yamcha were so badass in Dragonball and they virtually got written out of DBZ

Tien's only Badass moment in DBZ:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOslqlk-SOo
Yes I was quite tired of the Super Saiyans. Which is why after the Cell Saga, my interest level isn't that high. All of the diverse characters: Piccolo Daimao, Kuririn, Yamcha, and Tenshinhan seem either retired from battle or are nowhere to be found. I'm happy Akira Toriyama decided to stop the series after this.
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That reminds me, Dragoball KAI premiered today in Japan...on Akira Toryiyama's birthday. I wonder if it was any good. Here is the new opening sequence. I still like the original theme "Head Cha La" a lot better.

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