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Old 04-10-2009, 12:19 AM    (permalink
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True Franchise Guys
Tom Brady - no question
Peyton Manning - no question
Carson Palmer - must return to health to stay here
Ben Roethlisberger - no question
Eli Manning - no question
Drew Brees - would still like to see more playoff appearances
McNabb - no question
Warner - even with the disappearing act for a couple of years, he back to this status

On the Cusp
Jay Cutler
Phillip Rivers
Chad Pennington - when healthy, he takes teams to the playoffs even if his tools aren't elite


Guys that have more to Prove
Aaron Rodgers

Guys with a lot more to prove
Matt Ryan
Joe Flacco
JeMarcus Russell
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he didnt miss any time for that injury i thought? does that count or no?
yes he did. He missed the playoffs because of that injury.


Im the biggest USC homer ever and HUGE palmer fan but he never really had that great a season besides the one year where he got knee blown out by dirty ass kimo van olhoffen. He puts up decent numbers but he puts up equally bad numbers as well and hasn't made the playoffs since.

A lot can be put on marvin lewis' shoulders but i want to see the leadership qualities and these comeback wins you guys seem to categorize ben and eli with.

EDIT: i meant he missed the SUPERBOWL because of the injury.

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I would have said the same about Brady last year
until a hustiling safety from KC aimed for his knees
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You seriously don't think Peyton Manning is a franchise QB?
Indy really needs to start developing the next one over the next few seasons because Manning's expiration date is getting fairly close. At least I think that's why he didn't get listed.
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Indy really needs to start developing the next one over the next few seasons because Manning's expiration date is getting fairly close. At least I think that's why he didn't get listed.
If they draft a QB to replace Manning it will be a situation just like Aaron Rodgers and Brett Favre. Manning has somewhere between 4-6 years left in him and you don't want a high round draft pick riding the bench through his entire rookie contract. By the time the back up got to play, he'd be halfway through his NFL career.

Even if Peyton slows down and the team has to adjust around him, like the Broncos did with Elway, he'll still be a capable QB and his mental game won't go away.

You never really hear about any off the field stories with Peyton, because Football is his life, and if he were to hang it up early and retire, I have no clue what he'd be doing it for, he doesn't seem to have any other passions in life.
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True Franchise Guys
Tom Brady - no question
Peyton Manning - no question
Carson Palmer - must return to health to stay here
Ben Roethlisberger - no question
Eli Manning - no question
Drew Brees - would still like to see more playoff appearances
McNabb - no question
Warner - even with the disappearing act for a couple of years, he back to this status

On the Cusp
Jay Cutler
Phillip Rivers
Chad Pennington - when healthy, he takes teams to the playoffs even if his tools aren't elite


Guys that have more to Prove
Aaron Rodgers

Guys with a lot more to prove
Matt Ryan
Joe Flacco
JeMarcus Russell
This is a pretty good list, although I'd take Jay Cutler and Philip Rivers over Eli Manning.
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yes he did. He missed the playoffs because of that injury.


Im the biggest USC homer ever and HUGE palmer fan but he never really had that great a season besides the one year where he got knee blown out by dirty ass kimo van olhoffen. He puts up decent numbers but he puts up equally bad numbers as well and hasn't made the playoffs since.

A lot can be put on marvin lewis' shoulders but i want to see the leadership qualities and these comeback wins you guys seem to categorize ben and eli with.

Yea that's pretty funny that he always gets called a franchise QB and I see alot of other guys who don't...I consider Carson a franchise QB personally, but if you put him on the list you have to add guys like Rivers, Cutler, Romo, and so on...Carson has done nothing other then have one great season and be picked high, that's it, so you either put him and the rest of the "on the cusp" guys on the list, or don't have any of them on there.
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Yea that's pretty funny that he always gets called a franchise QB and I see alot of other guys who don't...I consider Carson a franchise QB personally, but if you put him on the list you have to add guys like Rivers, Cutler, Romo, and so on...Carson has done nothing other then have one great season and be picked high, that's it, so you either put him and the rest of the "on the cusp" guys on the list, or don't have any of them on there.
Palmer has had 2 extremely high level seasons (2005, 2006), and he would have had another in 2007 had his defense not been terrible.
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I agree with Iamcanadian. I don't see how a QB who plays one season can be labeled a franchise QB. Its pretty crazy putting Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco in the same class as Manning and Brady.
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I think that the whole franchise QB thing is a little overblown. The fact of the reality is that a ton of quarterbacks get overrated or underrated by their team's performance. The whole QB win-loss thing is absurd because they have absolutely no bearing on what the defense and special teams do. Therefore sometimes the Super Bowl winner's starting QB gets blown up to epic proportions, because of the notion that quarterbacks win games. I can't see how someone can win a game by being on the sideline half the time. Throw in the fact that quarterback is possibly the most dependent position in the game and you have a head scratcher. No matter how well a QB throws the ball the receiver stills has to open and catch it. He still needs time to find the receiver open, so his job needs someone else to be successful in order for him to be. I'm not saying that quarterbacks aren't important. It's the hardest position to develop and play. But if a QB throws the greatest pass ever and the receiver drops it the whole team suffers and not just the quarterback. The same thing goes for when they throw up the dumbest pass ever and the receiver makes an epic play. Now I'm not calling anyone out on this board. I'm just ranting about seeing quarterbacks have wins and losses in their stats.

Now I'm a huge Cowboy fan, but I call things like I see them. I hate the Eagles with a passion, but Donovan McNabb needs to stop getting severely slept on. This guy is the epitome of a quarterback uplifting his team. For years he's done big things without an all star cast around him. Yet somehow he always gets criticized for things out of his control. He's the scariest quarterback to me outside of Peyton Manning. I hope he gets a HOF induction someday.
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Are those the only credentials to be a franchise QB? A few very good seasons?
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E-Man, there's too much bias in opinions. That's why people keep leaving McNabb out.

..and how can Palmer be a Franchise QB and Tony Romo not be?

Palmer hasn't done jack crap in a long time. It's not once a franchise QB, always a franchise QB. If that were the case Daunte Culpepper would still be mentioned.

And again, this shouldn't be based off accomplishment with the team, but rather value. Jay Cutler is a franchise QB. Hell, Matt Stafford is already a franchise QB because that's how he'll be valued by the team that drafts him. I completely disagree with the criteria being used to judge what a franchise QB is.

Take Alex Smith... He was considered a franchise QB at one point, but not anymore. ...and that's ok. If you don't perform well enough to sustain value to your team, then you lose the reputation of being a franchise QB.

Just like Kurt Warner has gone through in his career. Was, wasn't, and now is again.
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I think Tony Romo is a franchise QB.
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What makes Joe Flacco, Matt Ryan and Matt Cassel all franchise qbs or questions? They only have one year of starting. Does that mean they are a question or not frnachise. I think for players with only one year of starting experience means the jury is still out.
Ravens fans call Flacco a franchise QB because him as a rookie was the best QB we have had post Vinny.
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E-Man, there's too much bias in opinions. That's why people keep leaving McNabb out.

..and how can Palmer be a Franchise QB and Tony Romo not be?

Palmer hasn't done jack crap in a long time. It's not once a franchise QB, always a franchise QB. If that were the case Daunte Culpepper would still be mentioned.

And again, this shouldn't be based off accomplishment with the team, but rather value. Jay Cutler is a franchise QB. Hell, Matt Stafford is already a franchise QB because that's how he'll be valued by the team that drafts him. I completely disagree with the criteria being used to judge what a franchise QB is.

Take Alex Smith... He was considered a franchise QB at one point, but not anymore. ...and that's ok. If you don't perform well enough to sustain value to your team, then you lose the reputation of being a franchise QB.

Just like Kurt Warner has gone through in his career. Was, wasn't, and now is again.
QBs are always a tricky thing. You can have a guy play average, make a few plays in the Super Bowl and he's considered a franchise QB. On the other hand you can have a guy put up big numbers, have a crappy defense, the team goes 8-8 and he's nothing. I just try to give props to where props is due with the QBs and just leave it alone. There are some real overrated QBs in the league, but emotion always destroys the logic there.
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Are those the only credentials to be a franchise QB? A few very good seasons?
No, I just didn't think it was fair that you were shortchanging him. That said, Palmer does have all the makings of a franchise QB when he's on the field.
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i am a huge falcons fan
an even i admit Matt Ryan isn't a franchise QB.
he needs atleast one or two more good season to even be talked about
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Heres a list of every team and who they have at QB.

I bolded the teams that I think have there guy and are set for the future and

The guys in italics are the ones that are still good quaterbacks and will do enough to win games but aren't the longterm answer for there respective teams.

I underlined the youngers QB's who still have the jury out on them, they have the potential but haven't put it all together yet. And for the ones that aren't in any font just suck for are too old.

Buffalo Bills - Trent Edwards
Miami Dolphins - Chad Pennington
New York Jets - Kellen Clemens/Brett Ratliff
New England Patriots - Tom Brady
Baltimore Ravens - Joe Flacco
Cincinnatti Bengals - Carson Palmer
Cleveland Browns - Brady Quinn/Derek Anderson
Pittsburgh Steelers - Ben Roethlisberger
Houston Texans - Matt Schaub
Indianapolis Colts - Peyton Manning
Jacksonville Jaguars - David Garrarrd
Tennessee Titans - Kerry Collins
Denver Broncos - Kyle Orton/Chris Simms
Kansas City Chiefs - Matt Cassel
Oakland Raiders - Jamarcus Russell
San Deigo Chargers - Phillip Rivers
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New York Giants - Eli Manning
Dallas Cowboys - Tony Romo
Philedelphia Eagles - Donovan McNabb
Washington Redskins - Jason Campbell
Chicago Bears - Jay Cutler
Detroit Lions - Daunte Cullpeper
Green Bay Packers - Aaron Rodgers
Minnesota Vikings - Tarvaris Jackson/Sage Roesnfels
Atlanta Falcons - Matt Ryan
Carolina Panthers - Jake Delhomme
New Orleans Saints - Drew Brees
Tampa Bay Bucaneers - Luke McCown
Arizona Cardnails - Kurt Warner
St. Louis Rams - Marc Bulger
San Francisco 49ers - Shaun Hill/Alex Smith
Seattle Seahawks - Matt Hasselbeck
So heres my list of the current franchise QB's in the game right now
Trent Edwards
Tom Brady
Joe Flacco
Carson Palmer
Ben Roethlisberger
Matt Schaub
Phillip Rivers
Eli Manning
Drew Brees
Aaron Rodgers
Matt Ryan
Jay Cutler
What are your thoughts? You don't have to re-write the whole list, just list your franchise QB's.
I seriously hope you just forgot Peyton, I'm not gonna read this whole threa.d Cuz seriously Manning is better than anyone right now except ARGUABLY Brady. Wiow I just noticed you didn't forget him. Worst post ever? I think so, although DG has 29, 506 to argue it. Seriously, Peyton>everyone on that list(but MAYBE Tom Brady. I have them tied pre-Brady injury). I'd certainly prefer Peyton over Cutler, and I still love Cutler even though he's gone.
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No, I just didn't think it was fair that you were shortchanging him. That said, Palmer does have all the makings of a franchise QB when he's on the field.
I'm not short changing him, I would just love for someone to explain to me what he has done to be considered a franchise QB other then those few great statistical seasons.
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Instead of listing names, defining your definition of a franchise QB is probably a better way to attack this debate.
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you guys are forgetting, the Giants actually have 2 more franchise QB's on our roster:



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This is a pretty good list, although I'd take Jay Cutler and Philip Rivers over Eli Manning.
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Eli is def better than either, he completly changed the game in SB 42 in the 4th with time ticking down, while Cutler and Rivers were watching from the 9th green
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I think you have to look at Schaub in a team context. 1st, forget his negligible Atlanta experience. He was never in the top NFL QBs in stats but he was like manna from Heaven to the Texans when he went there. He is also one of the unluckiest QBs ever.

Under Carr they never got off the starting line for expansion franchises, Houston gambled on Tony Boselli being injury free when they took him in the expansion draft & paid him a ******** of $, he never played a down for them. And the o-linemen who did play for them were the league's worst, Carr set an NFL rcd. for sacks, & they stayed on the floor of their division & in the league passing yds stats. Offensive production was an unknown phenomenon in Houston until Schaub came there & Andre Johnson emerged as an elite WR as predicted. Their o-line quietly improved & their offense was reborn.

Schaub was never healthy since his sr. yr. at UVA when he tore his shoulder up in the 1st offensive series of their 1st game. He was ranked among the top 2-3 QBs in that draft until then, his size & arm made him the poster boy Franchise QBs. And his bad luck with injuries that kept him out of the lineup followed him to Houston, plus he was unlucky enough to have the best backup in the league pushing him for a starting job in Sage Rosenfels, who said many times last yr he wanted to start, now he will get his chance in Minnesota. Put Schaub in Indy like state of the art Franchise QB Peyton Manning, or in Dallas surrounded by superlative talent & Garrett calling the plays & imagine what he could have done. It;s questionable now whether Kubiak has run out of patience with him & that with the absence of Rosenfels has fueled the rumors that the Texans are going QB later this month.

As for Romo, as a Cowboys fan I think he's a work in progress like you'd expect from an UDFA QB but he seems -- still! -- like a manic depressive QB, he's either way up or way down, we saw both in that playoff loss in Seattle with the fumbled extra point snap (did anyone else notice it happened exactly like the game sequence in North Dallas 40?). When he was out for 4 games with the broken pinky Dallas lost 3 of those, this is how important he is to them. Does it make him a Franchise QB? No. In a similar thread a yr ago I ranked him 6th among NFL starting QBs, he's a lot lower now. Nor is he the 2nd coming of Troy Aikman, as every Dallas QB has been compared to him -- maybe that's b/c they won their last playoff game with Aikman under center.

Brees gets it done without the Peyton Manning size & rocket arm with excellent game management & incredible precision passing, plus he throws one of the most catchable balls in the NFL. He's also a locker room leader everywhere he's been, note how the concerns over the Bolts leadership on the field never were heard until Brees was replaced by Rivers there.

Lots of factors to consider when you label a Franchise QB, each is a different story.

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