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Old 04-12-2009, 03:50 PM    (permalink
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Worst part is NE could trade their 1st round pick, and they still got enough picks left over for a great draft.

I really do think Braylon to NE would be just deadly for the rest of the league especially with a healthy Maroney coming back and the addition of Fred Taylor. Seriously, Brady having those types of weapons should be illegal. Braylon could help them so much that I might have to predict them going 19-0.

As a Pats fan- I'd love for that to happen but I highly doubt it.
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As a Pats fan- I'd love for that to happen but I highly doubt it.
Beat me to it. I doubt Mangini and BB would work with eachother, plus I think they would rather use that 1st round pick on defense.
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Eric Mangini is going to fail in Cleveland.

If he gets rid of Winslow, Edwards, and Quinn, what does this fool plan to do on offense?


He needs to keep Edwards and Quinn, and rebuild that defense starting with Raji.
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Eric Mangini is going to fail in Cleveland.

If he gets rid of Winslow, Edwards, and Quinn, what does this fool plan to do on offense?


He needs to keep Edwards and Quinn, and rebuild that defense starting with Raji.
I agree it doesn't make sense to get rid of your youngest talent..

wtf is he doing?
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Eric Mangini is going to fail in Cleveland.

If he gets rid of Winslow, Edwards, and Quinn, what does this fool plan to do on offense?


He needs to keep Edwards and Quinn, and rebuild that defense starting with Raji.
You started out so well... yes, we need to keep Quinn and keep Edwards (at least one more year), but drafting Raji? Why?

Shaun Rogers is a fantastic nose tackle, and despite absurd speculation, he isn't going anywhere. The problem between he and the team was resolved and he's working out with the team and has been for about a month.

Mike Lombardi, for whatever reason, hates Brady Quinn. Anytime he talks about him, he mentions that he basically thinks Quinn sucks. And most of his reporting has been nothing but guessing and assumptions.

Unless these other teams are telling Hack Lombardi about trading framework, he's not getting it from the Browns organization which has been extremely tight lipped thus far as illustrated by the Kellen Winslow trade.
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I agree it doesn't make sense to get rid of your youngest talent..

wtf is he doing?
Mangini is terrible at adapting to players currently on his roster. He did the same thing in NY when he ruined Vilma and got rid of John Abraham.

He's going to pretty much replace every part of that team with his own players. The only untouchable player I can see is Joe Thomas.


I liked him as a coach in some ways, but his overcoaching really is annoying. He tries to outsmart you on every play, instead of keeping it simple and doing the obvious common sense move.

He, like every other Bellichick disciple, will probably not work out.
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You started out so well... yes, we need to keep Quinn and keep Edwards (at least one more year), but drafting Raji? Why?

Shaun Rogers is a fantastic nose tackle, and despite absurd speculation, he isn't going anywhere. The problem between he and the team was resolved and he's working out with the team and has been for about a month.

Mike Lombardi, for whatever reason, hates Brady Quinn. Anytime he talks about him, he mentions that he basically thinks Quinn sucks. And most of his reporting has been nothing but guessing and assumptions.

Unless these other teams are telling Hack Lombardi about trading framework, he's not getting it from the Browns organization which has been extremely tight lipped thus far as illustrated by the Kellen Winslow trade.
Shaun Rogers at the very least, is on the decline with age. He's good for now, but you want a 3-4 NT for the next 8 years. Not the next 2. Considering how priceless it is to have a dominant NT, I think Raji is a no brainer.

Plus, you can pull a Ngata and start him at DE while Rogers is still productive, then move him inside to NT when its time. The Browns need all the help they can get in that front 3 anyway.

Also consider, Rogers is not a 3 down player anymore. And Raji has questions regarding how many snaps he can take in the NFL. Imagine having both, and having a NT rotation of both those guys? It would cure a lot of woes on that defense.


As for Quinn, Im just commenting on the speculation. You're probably right since you know much more about the situation than I do.
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If the Browns trade Brady Quinn it will be the worst move they could make.
I was thinking the same thing. What is it with new head coaches and QB's this offseason?

Really I thought and stil think Quinn is going to do well in the NFL, the Browns are going to end up regretting this.
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As for possible destinations, I think the Vikings would make sense.
Which is why he will not end up here.

Everyone seems to forget that we have an egotistical douchebag as a Head Coach... Quinn will not be coming to MN. The Little General believes that he can win with Sage. End of story.

I'm putting my $ on Quinn in Detroit.
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Eric Mangini is going to fail in Cleveland.

If he gets rid of Winslow, Edwards, and Quinn, what does this fool plan to do on offense?


He needs to keep Edwards and Quinn, and rebuild that defense starting with Raji.
no, no they don't. :)




Does he really want to come to the NFC North ;)
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Shaun Rogers at the very least, is on the decline with age. He's good for now, but you want a 3-4 NT for the next 8 years. Not the next 2. Considering how priceless it is to have a dominant NT, I think Raji is a no brainer.

Plus, you can pull a Ngata and start him at DE while Rogers is still productive, then move him inside to NT when its time. The Browns need all the help they can get in that front 3 anyway.

Also consider, Rogers is not a 3 down player anymore. And Raji has questions regarding how many snaps he can take in the NFL. Imagine having both, and having a NT rotation of both those guys? It would cure a lot of woes on that defense.


As for Quinn, Im just commenting on the speculation. You're probably right since you know much more about the situation than I do.
If this is Haloti Ngata, I might agree with you, but Raji is a 6'1" 330-340lb guy. He might well be the shortest and heaviest 3-4 End in the league. He's not as athletic as Ngata either. I don't think there's a 330+ defensive guy who doesn't have conditioning issues.

If Rogers at 29 is old, then Casey Hampton and Jamal Williams are ancient. Good nose tackles seem to last and while they may want to find the eventual replacement sometime soon, not with 5th pick overall. Personally, I like Athyba Rubin who was picked in round 6 last year. He made significant strides over last season. He went from absolutely clueless to a pretty good fill in when Rogers was out.

My big board for the Browns:
1. Aaron Curry, LB Wake Forest
2. Trade Down
3. Michael Crabtree, WR Texas Tech (In this scenario, I think keeping Braylon for at least one more year is key)

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The Little General believes that he can win with Sage. End of story.
See, I thought he was convinced that Tavaris Jackson was good enough to win with. Oh right, not every QB his divine fingers touch is going to end up like McNabb.
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See, I thought he was convinced that Tavaris Jackson was good enough to win with. Oh right, not every QB his divine fingers touch is going to end up like McNabb.
I still think Tarvaris is has the ability to be a good QB. He was playing well to end the season, I think if only he had a better coach and the team kept building around him he could succeed, frankly I wouldn't be surprised for their new coach next season to play TJ over Sage. And find him to be the more successful and less turnover prone option.
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If this is Haloti Ngata, I might agree with you, but Raji is a 6'1" 330-340lb guy. He might well be the shortest and heaviest 3-4 End in the league. He's not as athletic as Ngata either. I don't think there's a 330+ defensive guy who doesn't have conditioning issues.

If Rogers at 29 is old, then Casey Hampton and Jamal Williams are ancient. Good nose tackles seem to last and while they may want to find the eventual replacement sometime soon, not with 5th pick overall. Personally, I like Athyba Rubin who was picked in round 6 last year. He made significant strides over last season. He went from absolutely clueless to a pretty good fill in when Rogers was out.

My big board for the Browns:
1. Aaron Curry, LB Wake Forest
2. Trade Down
3. Michael Crabtree, WR Texas Tech (In this scenario, I think keeping Braylon for at least one more year is key)
Hampton and Williams are ancient though. Look at how they're breaking down. I think Rogers has 3 years max left, especially since he's not as fit as Hampton or Williams. Finding a dominant NT is so hard, I just think when you have the opportunity to get one you go for it.

The Browns really could go in a # of directions, but Id rebuild the defense first and foremost.
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I still think Tarvaris is has the ability to be a good QB. He was playing well to end the season, I think if only he had a better coach and the team kept building around him he could succeed, frankly I wouldn't be surprised for their new coach next season to play TJ over Sage. And find him to be the more successful and less turnover prone option.
I don't know who you've been watching, but Tarvaris Jackson is one of the worst quarterbacks I've ever seen as a starter in the NFL.
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I still think Tarvaris is has the ability to be a good QB. He was playing well to end the season, I think if only he had a better coach and the team kept building around him he could succeed, frankly I wouldn't be surprised for their new coach next season to play TJ over Sage. And find him to be the more successful and less turnover prone option.
It's this type of logic that the lead the Bears to waste 4 years on Rex Grossman.
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Beat me to it. I doubt Mangini and BB would work with eachother, plus I think they would rather use that 1st round pick on defense.
Ummm, Pioli and Hoodie just made a deal for Cassel. And at the same time McHoodie and Hoodie tried to swing the same deal.

Why wouldn't Mangini and Hoodie work together if NE had interest?

NE has three 2nd round picks and the rest of the draft to improve the D. That's plenty of picks.

If NE has a chance to get Braylon, Hoodie has to strike and offer #23. It would make you guys too sick.
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I still think Tarvaris is has the ability to be a good QB. He was playing well to end the season, I think if only he had a better coach and the team kept building around him he could succeed, frankly I wouldn't be surprised for their new coach next season to play TJ over Sage. And find him to be the more successful and less turnover prone option.
He was doing okay at the end of last year but he wasnt being asked to win games, rather, he was being asked not to lose the games. Sure, when you have the Vikes' running game, you don't have to ask your QB to do much but, if I were a Vikings fan, I would not like the idea of either Sage or TJ as my starting QB.
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I don't understand what the hell they're doing by trying to trade all of their building blocks. I could understand trading Winslow since he had all sorts of issues with the Browns and their management. With Stallworth in trouble with the law, that should make the Browns want to hang on to Edwards even more. Trading Quinn would be one of the dumbest things that they could possibly do. They would run the risk of alienating their fans, and if Anderson has the same kind of year that he did last year, then they put themselves back into the toilet for no good reason. As for Rogers, he is not a 3 down player anymore, but Rubin should be able to step in this year.
I agree with bigbluedefense that Mangini cannot adapt to different players. Part of the reason that they hired Mangini in the first place was because they wanted to maintain a 3-4 defense. Now, he's trying to change the offense. If the Browns do pull these trades off, they better hope Bradford declares next year.
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Oh yeah, I kind of forget about that.

I thought that was over though?
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I don't understand what the hell they're doing by trying to trade all of their building blocks. I could understand trading Winslow since he had all sorts of issues with the Browns and their management. With Stallworth in trouble with the law, that should make the Browns want to hang on to Edwards even more. Trading Quinn would be one of the dumbest things that they could possibly do. They would run the risk of alienating their fans, and if Anderson has the same kind of year that he did last year, then they put themselves back into the toilet for no good reason.
I agree with bigbluedefense that Mangini cannot adapt to different players. Part of the reason that they hired Mangini in the first place was because they wanted to maintain a 3-4 defense. Now, he's trying to change the offense. If the Browns do pull these trades off, they better hope Bradford declares next year.
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