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Old 04-12-2009, 06:12 PM    (permalink
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He thought he was well-treated in Cleveland?
So because he didn't get along with Phil Savage on one incident that makes you think that the times he said he loved it here and liked the organization was just bs?
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So because he didn't get along with Phil Savage on one incident that makes you think that the times he said he loved it here and liked the organization was just bs?
I think there were definitely issues between Winslow and the Browns organization. Did those issues contribute to him being traded? Absolutely, in my opinion.
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I think there were definitely issues between Winslow and the Browns organization. Did those issues contribute to him being traded? Absolutely, in my opinion.
Considering the fact that other than the owner, the Browns organization is completely different makes that opinion invalid.

He was traded because of his knee and the Bucs made a huge mistake with that contract.
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Considering the fact that other than the owner, the Browns organization is completely different makes that opinion invalid.

He was traded because of his knee and the Bucs made a huge mistake with that contract.
You think they did a complete upheaval of the entire Browns organization? I would bet that much of the organization is the same, despite the regime change.

He also apparently demanded a trade or considered demanding a trade after the staph infection incident. He said he loved his time with the Browns and then mentioned the players he liked playing with. I never heard him say anything about the organization or management.

Did the new regime have a problem with him? Who knows...

But clearly there was tension between Winslow and the Browns and I think that contributed to the decision to trade him. It was time for him to get a fresh start somewhere else.
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You think they did a complete upheaval of the entire Browns organization? I would bet that much of the organization is the same, despite the regime change.

He also apparently demanded a trade or considered demanding a trade after the staph infection incident. He said he loved his time with the Browns and then mentioned the players he liked playing with. I never heard him say anything about the organization or management.

Did the new regime have a problem with him? Who knows...

But clearly there was tension between Winslow and the Browns and I think that contributed to the decision to trade him. It was time for him to get a fresh start somewhere else.
You can keep on believing that, despite the obvious flaws in your argument.

He was traded because he is playing on borrowed time... his knee is basically shot. I will be very surprised if Winslow is not retired before that contract runs out. He was reduced to pushing off to get open and got a number of offensive pass interference penalties.

But you're right... it must be the organization, which is almost completely different that must have been the reason.
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You can keep on believing that, despite the obvious flaws in your argument.

He was traded because he is playing on borrowed time... his knee is basically shot. I will be very surprised if Winslow is not retired before that contract runs out. He was reduced to pushing off to get open and got a number of offensive pass interference penalties.

But you're right... it must be the organization, which is almost completely different that must have been the reason.
I said it was part of the reason, not the only reason.

Who other than Savage was fired?

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I said it was part of the reason, not the only reason.

Who other than Savage was fired?
Crennell, his entire staff, Savage, Trip McCracken, most if not all of the scouting department.

I think the only guys that were retained were the money guys, so basically no one that would deal with Winslow.
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I think the only guys that were retained were the money guys, so basically no one that would deal with Winslow.
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I think it has to do with contract. If Quinn is a bust they still have to bite the buller for 3+ years. With Anderson he only has two years left if that, if he sucks this year they can either bench him and make him a backup or possibly outright cut him without taking a massive cap hit.
Nope.

Quinn is scheduled to make $655,000 in base salary this season. He has the opportunity to add $11,000,000 to it by taking 70% of the snaps in the '09 season.
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Only 4 of the 16 coaches weren't brought in, in 2009. The Tight End Coach, Strength and Conditioning Coach, Quarterback Coach and Assitant Strength and Conditioning Coach.

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/team/coaches.php

I don't know about the FO but here it is...

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Kokinis = http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/article.php?id=9385

Mangini = http://www.cleveland.com/browns/inde...ays_mangi.html

Staff = http://www.cleveland.com/browns/inde...g_of_coor.html
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/inde...smith_for.html
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/inde...bryan_cox.html
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http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/article.php?id=9409

Scouts = http://www.news-herald.com/articles/...s/nh449685.txt

LOL @ asking for a source on an entire staff change.
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Probably gonna need a source in regards to Winslow's knee being shot too
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Probably gonna need a source in regards to Winslow's knee being shot too
Ya and there might be a conspiracy theory if he was traded or not.
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Exactly. TWO People from the front-office changed.

All the same college scouts. All the same pro personnel. It's by in large the same organization as a year ago with the exception of Savage and his cap specialist. Same owner, same front-office executives.

Changing a GM doesn't necessarily repair relationships between players and teams.
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Why would Kellen Winslow give a **** who the college scouts are?
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i was thinking the exact same thing.


especially since you know....obviously they thought highly of him since he got drafted by the team and all...
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i was thinking the exact same thing.


especially since you know....obviously they thought highly of him since he got drafted by the team and all...
They also traded up for him. He had the same OC as the coach he had at the University of Miami and they had a good relationship. (btw, I just looked up Rob Chudzinski and he has the same birthday as me. I know, go me.)
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Why would Kellen Winslow give a **** who the college scouts are?
I just put that in because the other guy falsely claimed they fired almost all of the scouts, which was completely untrue.

My point is that the Browns did not overhaul the front office staff. They changed GMs. That doesn't necessarily repair whatever issues the Browns and Winslow had.
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You people generalize waaaay too much. Just because something or some things happened in the past doesn't mean it won't happen now.

The Bears traded a lot for Jay Cutler and made a FA splash. How often have they done something like that? Um, never. There's a first time for everything.

I'm not saying Quinn will go to the Vikings or whatever, but it's really foolish to say he won't purely on the principle that it "doesn't fit what they've done in the past." Honestly, I think the idea of him going to the Broncos is pretty realistic seeing as how McDaniels, rumor has it, was trying to trade for him anyway.

But whatever, we'll find out soon enough if he relocates or not. Until then, stop making grandiose statements based on nothing.
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I just put that in because the other guy falsely claimed they fired almost all of the scouts, which was completely untrue.

My point is that the Browns did not overhaul the front office staff. They changed GMs. That doesn't necessarily repair whatever issues the Browns and Winslow had.
Lerner pretty much cleaned the place out of anyone who had anything to do with Savage...and that was the guy Winslow had the problem with.

Anyways, in regards to the thread...trading either player right now doesn't help the Browns, especially trading Quinn. If they wanna trade Edwards, it needs to happen next offseason after they've tagged him. His value right now is too low, and it's a contract year so he's in for a rebound. If they want to win anytime in the next 5 years, they need to commit to Quinn and build around him. IF they do trade him, then I would have to assume they'll be drafting Sanchez because having Anderson as the only long-term option would be PR death, fans would stop coming.
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Nope.

Quinn is scheduled to make $655,000 in base salary this season. He has the opportunity to add $11,000,000 to it by taking 70% of the snaps in the '09 season.
He's really scheduled to make 11 mil if he is the starter? That's a pretty insane contract.
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