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Old 04-13-2009, 05:53 PM    (permalink
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I think its very possible that Dorsey gets trade. He is not a good fit in the 3-4. Im not sure on Harrell
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Dorsey to Atlanta for their 1st this year and comp picks to see how good he plays?
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Has Harrell even done much in the 43?
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Dorsey to Atlanta for their 1st this year and comp picks to see how good he plays?
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Reports I have read about Dorsey is that some teams (e.g Patriots) were looking at him to be a 3-4 DE.
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Would Dorsey play 3-4 end? By measurable it doesn't seem like to bad of a fit for him, but his is fast enough?
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Dorsey to chicago for a second and fifth next year
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they are not trading him.
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I think Dorsey could be a very good 3-4 DE. Although he doesn't have ideal height, he's strong at the point of attack and can also penetrate and rush the passer. Similar situation to a guy like Darnell Dockett. Dockett was a real nice 3-tech and has brought those skills over to being one of the best 3-4 DE's in the league.
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For as much as Dorsey was termed "Baby Sapp" I didn't think he was that great a pass rusher, but he was good/better against the run. Plus didn't last year's Chiefs regime make him gain some weight?

So maybe it works out. I would hate to trade him away, even if I was running a 3-4 defense. The cap hit is just not worth it to give him up, and as mentioned above, maybe it works out at 3-4 DE better.

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Dorsey was arguably the top player in the entire draft last year, he played his entire first year out of position, now he'll go to another position and defense he doesn't even fit, and then people wonder why some guys end up being a bust.


Dorsey is probably going to end up just another player, I'd look around to shop him if the contract wasn't holding them up...He could be OK as a 3-4 DE, but not nearly the impact player you would expect with a top 5 pick.
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Dorsey will do fine since Pendergast will likely have a one gape scheme. So he won't need to be the massive gap eating NT we're used to seeing. Think a better Jay Ratliff.

Harrell's got to stay healthy for him to have any future in any scheme. I think he could be a good DE but that's really just a guess.
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Dorsey is probably going to end up just another player, I'd look around to shop him if the contract wasn't holding them up...He could be OK as a 3-4 DE, but not nearly the impact player you would expect with a top 5 pick.
But tahts the thing, 3-4DE don't make impact plays, they are not the usual DE taht are sack artist.
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Dorsey will do fine since Pendergast will likely have a one gape scheme. So he won't need to be the massive gap eating NT we're used to seeing. Think a better Jay Ratliff.

Harrell's got to stay healthy for him to have any future in any scheme. I think he could be a good DE but that's really just a guess.
No way Dorsey plays NT.
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Justin Harrell needs to stay healthy before he has any sort of future in this league. He can't be relied upon and Ted Thompson has invested quite a bit in him; drafting him #16 overall and then trading Corey Williams the following offseason and placing more faith in Harrell. So far every part of the Harrell investment has been awful and a change to the 3-4 can't hurt Harrell's chances of producing b/c he can't produce any less than he has in his first two years.
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nothing, same thing that Dorsey has done.


Harrell is playing DE in the 3-4, you could have just searched it up.
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prototypical 3 technique, he's not a good fit at DE in a 3-4. However what Pendergast will likely run is more of a 4-3 with a lot of 3-4 tendencies, because in Arizona they never ran a true 3-4 under him. Harrell fits, but he has been hurt and hasn't done a thing, he needs to get on the field and learn the game before anyone worries what defensive system he is in.
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You picked my two teams!

Dorsey will still be a stud...Harrell I'm not so high on.
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IDK Dorsey might fit at NT he stopped the run well his rookie year and he has a short squatty build and maybe he could play a Darnell Dockett or a Jay Ratliff type role. Pendergast ran a kind of hybrid 4-3 + 3-4 system so I think Dorsey will do alright.

I liked Justin Harell since he was drafted but I just think he landed in a bad situation. The Packers were stacked at DT when he got there and he never really got a shot at a starting job and now he has to play as a 3-4 DE where I think he might succeed because he has the measurables for it at 6'4" and 320 pounds. COming into the NFL he was known as a run stuffer who could penetrate the backfield and he fell because of injury so I still think he has potential seeing as he has only been pro for 2 years.

However I do think both teams made a bad descision because the Chiefs have Tamba Hali who doesn't fit in the 34 AT ALL and Dorsey is much better in a 4-3. Not to mention that Derrick Johnson is a better fit in the 4-3 as well. The Packers have Aaron Kampman moving to OLB which I don't think will work out well and AJ Hawk and Nick Barnett are both better suited for a 4-3.

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He's already been slated to play NT.

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IDK Dorsey might fit at NT he stopped the run well his rookie year and he has a short squatty build and maybe he could play a Darnell Dockett or a Jay Ratliff type role. Pendergast ran a kind of hybrid 4-3 + 3-4 system so I think Dorsey will do alright.

I liked Justin Harell since he was drafted but I just think he landed in a bad situation. The Packers were stacked at DT when he got there and he never really got a shot at a starting job and now he has to play as a 3-4 DE where I think he might succeed because he has the measurables for it at 6'4" and 320 pounds. COming into the NFL he was known as a run stuffer who could penetrate the backfield and he fell because of injury so I still think he has potential seeing as he has only been pro for 2 years.


However I do think both teams made a bad descision because the Chiefs have Tamba Hali who doesn't fit in the 34 AT ALL and Dorsey is much better in a 4-3. Not to mention that Derrick Johnson is a better fit in the 4-3 as well. The Packers have Aaron Kampman moving to OLB which I don't think will work out well and AJ Hawk and Nick Barnett are both better suited for a 4-3.

If he is listed at 6'4 320 he would be better of playing NT then DE. When I think of 3-4 DE usually its the smaller DT with speed, but that are still strong to hold the point, pretty much Tampa 2 DT.
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