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Old 04-13-2009, 07:59 PM    (permalink
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He's already been slated to play NT.



As someone said, if they adopt the one gap scheme...he could potentially be Ratliff esque. We'll have to wait and see what they do here, though.
Tank Tyler on a radio show today said he would be the NT. wtfzz KCzzz
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I liked Justin Harell since he was drafted but I just think he landed in a bad situation. The Packers were stacked at DT when he got there and he never really got a shot at a starting job and now he has to play as a 3-4 DE where I think he might succeed because he has the measurables for it at 6'4" and 320 pounds. COming into the NFL he was known as a run stuffer who could penetrate the backfield and he fell because of injury so I still think he has potential seeing as he has only been pro for 2 years.
That is not at all true. I'm not the typical Packer fan that hates Harrell, I've actually been of fan of the pick since before it was made, but you are dead wrong.

His rookie year he sat out of training camp because he was still recovering from his torn bicep. He also injured his ankle early in the season and missed 5 games. 2008 he was placed on the PUP list before training camp even started and didn't come back until week 6.

It wasn't that he landed in a bad situation and we didn't give him a chance, it's that he hasn't been able to stay on the field. Even when he has been on the field he has been 100%, which led to him being very unimpressive. He needs to go without injuring himself this offseason, come into training camp healthy, and then he can start trying to earn playing time.

Problem is that he's too much of a liability right now to go into the season with him as our starter. He gets hurt too much and he hasn't proven anything in the NFL yet. There's a good chance we take a DE in the first three rounds of the draft. We also still have Johnny Jolly who could beat him out. Nothing is going to be given too him. I'm not ready to call him a bust and think he could be a pretty good 3-4 DE if he gets his **** together, but he has a long way to go.
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If he is listed at 6'4 320 he would be better of playing NT then DE. When I think of 3-4 DE usually its the smaller DT with speed, but that are still strong to hold the point, pretty much Tampa 2 DT.
That's because you're just looking at size. Harrell is much better suited for 3-4 DE than NT.
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Yeah injuries played a part as well but I am saying that the Packers had Corey Williams and Ryan Pickett along with 2 or 3 others who's names I can't remember. The combination of veterans in front of him and injuries haven't really given him a chance to show his worth.
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I'd do that if it was only for our 1st
You have to be kidding. He was the top player in the draft last year by most accounts, and we nearly took him with the third pick over a franchise quarterback.

I'd gladly give our first and a third or a first and future second or third round pick (depending on production).
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Yeah injuries played a part as well but I am saying that the Packers had Corey Williams and Ryan Pickett along with 2 or 3 others who's names I can't remember. The combination of veterans in front of him and injuries haven't really given him a chance to show his worth.
Johnny Jolly and Colin Cole.

We have given him a chance, and he didn't do anything worthy of a 1st round pick let alone a 6th round pick.
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You have to be kidding. He was the top player in the draft last year by most accounts, and we nearly took him with the third pick over a franchise quarterback.

I'd gladly give our first and a third or a first and future second or third round pick (depending on production).
maybe a 1st an a 3rd.
but i wouldnt do a 1st an 2nd. no way
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I think it's funny how people sour on players so quickly.

Dorsey is the same player he was a year ago, he was just in a bad situation with no supporting cast on the defensive line.
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I think it's funny how people sour on players so quickly.

Dorsey is the same player he was a year ago, he was just in a bad situation with no supporting cast on the defensive line.
who says im "souring" him?
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I think it's funny how people sour on players so quickly.

Dorsey is the same player he was a year ago, he was just in a bad situation with no supporting cast on the defensive line.
I was about to say the exact same thing. It's funny how many people are writing him off.

When he came out he was arguably the best player in the entire draft and now, a year later, he not only ABSOLUTELY CANNOT play the NT in the 3-4 but he would also be a bad 3-4 DE and he was absolutely terrible his rookie year?

Cut the guy some slack. He will still be a dominant player. You don't think this coaching staff/FO knows how to use him? The last one didn't but I don't think this new defensive coaching staff could be more incompetent than Gunther was.
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who says im "souring" him?
Picks 24 and a third rounder is almost too much for a former top talent.

That is souring on a player.
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Picks 24 and a third rounder is almost too much for a former top talent.

That is souring on a player.
did i not jus say i'd trade a 1st an a 3rd?
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did i not jus say i'd trade a 1st an a 3rd?
You should try reading what I posted.

Almost is an important word.
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maybe a 1st an a 3rd.
but i wouldnt do a 1st an 2nd. no way
umm. read it. i basically said i'd do it for a 1st an a 3rd....
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umm. read it. i basically said i'd do it for a 1st an a 3rd....
You make zero sense.

Re-read the conversation.
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You make zero sense.

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umm. read it. i basically said i'd do it for a 1st an a 3rd....
SARCASM!! He is mocking you for saying that a first and a third is almost to much for the best player in the draft last year. Hence, you have soured him by underrating him by thinking a first and a third is too much.
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SARCASM!! He is mocking you for saying that a first and a third is almost to much for the best player in the draft last year. Hence, you have soured him by underrating him by thinking a first and a third is too much.
wow i really needa get more sleep at night
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Mr. Rath, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
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Mr. Rath, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
woooooooooooooooooooow. okay rookie
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Mr. Rath, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
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If it's the same Pendergast defense that was run in Arizona, I see him thriving. Darnell Dockett was an absolute monster and he is the sheer definition of a 1-gapper. If they do run a 3-4 it'll look more like that than something like what the Steelers run.
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If it's the same Pendergast defense that was run in Arizona, I see him thriving. Darnell Dockett was an absolute monster and he is the sheer definition of a 1-gapper. If they do run a 3-4 it'll look more like that than something like what the Steelers run.
I'm thinking the same thing. I don't get why he'd switch defenses so I'm looking for him to run the same thing he did in Arizona. Dorsey would be a good fit there.
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It's like a used car. Every time an unquantified player changes hands, his value goes down. Sure, someone can say, "Oh, but that's a 2008 Honda. So what if it's used?" Er, I mean Certified Pre-Owned.

Actually, that example makes no sense. It'd be wierd to trade a Top 5 pick after their rookie season. I love the Glenn Dorsey. But, what has he done as a rookie that makes you go "OMG! I has tuh have him!!"? He was a Top 5 talent, yet Jason Jones, Pat Sims, Sedrick Ellis, and Marcus Harrison all had better rookie seasons (Ellis has an excuse for being good tho).

Heck, William Hayes had the same amount of Sacks in his 8 active games than Dorsey had in his 16 starts. Now, ya'll may not remember William Hayes. He was the Titans' 4th RD pick, whom they traded up for, that no one knew who he was. ESPN listed him as "Williams Hayes" during their broadcast. Mel Kipah Jr. was the only one who knew who he was. God bless ya, Mel!

So is Dorsey worth a team's entire 1st Day? I don't think so. Not unless a team who fell in love with him last Draft knows he fits what they do and think he's worth it.
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