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Old 05-29-2009, 12:16 PM    (permalink
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A win's a win. The Niners gave away 3 or 4 games early in the season, that if they had made a certain play or had stopped their opponent in a certain situation, they could have pulled off another couple wins.

I was at the Monday night AZ game when they were robbed by horrible officiating IMO. That game could have easily been a win as well, giving a better head to head record and division record. The Cardinals themselves were a little underrated as well, and showed it when they made a run in the playoffs, earning them some respect.
Wasn't that Zona game where Nolan (or was it Martz?) opted for a FG vs. a TD or vice versa, I don't remember exactly. But I do recall the press here crucified him for a bonehead game mgmt. decision that backfired. That + the bogus officiating calls cost the 9ers the game, wasn't it? & wasn't it the final nail in Nolan's coffin? I had come to expect Martz making ignorant game mgmt. calls by then, he's done it everywhere he's been in his career, these steaming piles of mistakes left stinking up the places in a trail behind him.

My observation that the 9ers got into holes in almost all their September/October games last season b/c JT O'Sullivan held the ball too long then led the league in fumbles lost. Every d-line they faced next wk. knew it & went after him to strip him -- it worked almost every time & the team started 2-3 TDs down by halftime.

It was so chaotic from the front office down that they had to admit Nolan had lost their locker room & hired a rah-rah kind of HC to replace him in Singletary who stabilized them & although didnt turn things around exactly, but at least put the coaching staff on the same page with the offense & the team as a whole. It wasn't an across the board fix, but when the team is bleeding from too many holes they had to fix the biggest hole that they were bleeding to death from, dumping Martzball was that fix. IMO it was road they should never have gone down given Martz' track rcd, hindsight is always 20-20 as they say.

l think Bly will end up starting opposite Clements, he may have lost a step by now but has the experience & ball skills that earned him 2 Pro Bowl spots.

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wasn't it the final nail in Nolan's coffin?
He was fired after we lost to New York.
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The Zona game is where Gore arguably ran in the game winning TD with only a few seconds to go. The play was reviewed and the refs said as soon as they made the call, that if it wasn't a touchdown then the clock would start automatically. The Niners had no time outs and had to call a play during the review, not knowing where the ball would be spotted if it wasn't a TD. Assuming the ball would be within the one yard line, Martz called a FB dive play up the middle using M-Rob. When the refs marked Gore down back BEHIND THE TWO YARD LINE and started the clock, there was no time to change the play and they ran it, with M-Rob getting stuffed just short of the goal line. Martz blamed the refs in the post game press conference.
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Nolan hiring Martz (without Scot McCloughan's input) was the pathetic last attempt to save his job. Nolan was a first-class asshole.
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The Zona game is where Gore arguably ran in the game winning TD with only a few seconds to go. The play was reviewed and the refs said as soon as they made the call, that if it wasn't a touchdown then the clock would start automatically. The Niners had no time outs and had to call a play during the review, not knowing where the ball would be spotted if it wasn't a TD. Assuming the ball would be within the one yard line, Martz called a FB dive play up the middle using M-Rob. When the refs marked Gore down back BEHIND THE TWO YARD LINE and started the clock, there was no time to change the play and they ran it, with M-Rob getting stuffed just short of the goal line. Martz blamed the refs in the post game press conference.

Don't forget to mention Clark Haggans using both hands in an attempt to decapitate MRob and nearly succeeding.
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Nolan hiring Martz (without Scot McCloughan's input) was the pathetic last attempt to save his job. Nolan was a first-class asshole.
"His shoulder isn't hurt, he just needs to toughen up! By the way, let's start that O'Sullivan character."
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It's just a shame that it took the majority of people here so long to realize that. :)
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It's just a shame that it took the majority of people here so long to realize that. :)
I mean, anyone was better than Dennis Erickson... Nolan had a better rebuilding plan. But he didn't stick with a 3-4 and had 2 very good offensive coordinators taken from him, then hired one in house (which he was forced to do), that didn't work. Then he finally made a terrible call with Martz...

Not horrible, but it was time to move on. Especially when they didn't have to rebuild entirely.
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Dr. John York & the team's upper mgmt. is pulling out all the stops to make the new Santa Clara stadium happen.

http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_124831...ercurynews.com

This is one of the worst really bad Bay Area sports ideas in the history of bad ideas. They want to build it in the County Auditorium parking lot, where property was leasing for $100/sq. ft. at the height of the tech boom 10 yrs. ago when the idea was 1st proposed to replace aging Candlestick Park. Now the timing is especially bad, the tech & global economy bubbles have burst, the Silicon Valley here is reeling at 11-12% unemployment, & the NFL is predicting attendance & season ticket sales will be down >10% this season.

The new stadium idea is being driven almost exclusively by the York family greed, & it's been the exclusive focus of team owner Dr. York, that's why he fastracked his son Jed into his current front office job with the team as McCloghan's understudy & Scot McC has been making all the team & FB issues decision this offseason.

A 3-sport stadium proposal in the exact same site was put to the voters of Santa Clara County 14 yrs. ago, a single stadium for the SF Giants, 49ers, & San Jose Earthquakes & was defeated by over a 2-1 margin, so this new proposed deal is being kept away from voters. If it's up to only the city of Santa Clara Council members, who are looking to line their pockets like almost all local politicians, it will probably be greenlighted over the protests of dozens of consumer advocacy groups. Some of them include 9ers season ticket holders who are alarmed that their ticket prices would be increased up to 20% or more if the deal goers through; general admission prices for an NFL game there could be over 45% higher than currently at Candlestick.

If the TV $ is as lucrative as the last contract with the NFL was, Dr. York knows as well as any other NFL owner that they could broadcast the games from nearly empty stadiums & it would not matter, the huge profit margins would be guaranteed.
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I mean, anyone was better than Dennis Erickson... Nolan had a better rebuilding plan. But he didn't stick with a 3-4 and had 2 very good offensive coordinators taken from him, then hired one in house (which he was forced to do), that didn't work. Then he finally made a terrible call with Martz...
Hell yeah, hiring Martz with all his baggage was a major mistake. The worst p/o that was bringing in O'Sullivan, Martz' handpicked QB from the Lions, giving him the inside track with their OC in the QB competition in the last summer camp. Most of the local sports press thought he was the #3 QB on the roster about a yr. ago at this time despite being a local sensation from UC-Davis & p/o of the UCD Div. II team that had decisively beaten Stanford his sr. yr.

I felt sorry for Erickson, who had achieved success bringing back college programs, most notably at Oregon St. When he came to the 9ers it was very late, just before the draft in fact & then GM Terry Donahue & the York family made Erickson their b*tch, he was allowed zero input into the draft choices that yr, & Donahue dicked up that & several other drafts. Then a series of major injuries happened with the greatest impact being that of their best defensive player Julian Peterson going on IR, at that point the wheels officially came off. Erickson became the fall guy for Donahue's bad decisions, then he was replaced by Nolan, the son of former 9ers HC Dick Nolan. It was in Erickson's last yr that the 49ers were ranked as the least talented team in the league.

Nolan did have a better rebuilding plan, only it was about 75% defensive as that was his area of expertise. He quietly rebuilt the o-line, but it was so bad it could only have gotten better. It wasn't his fault OC Norvell Turner left, but they could have a lot better hires than Martz in 08, one look at his W-L rcd. in the NFL could have told them that.

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I mean, anyone was better than Dennis Erickson... Nolan had a better rebuilding plan. But he didn't stick with a 3-4 and had 2 very good offensive coordinators taken from him, then hired one in house (which he was forced to do), that didn't work. Then he finally made a terrible call with Martz...

Not horrible, but it was time to move on. Especially when they didn't have to rebuild entirely.
True but before Erickson, we had a shot at Dennis Green but he didnt want to come to SF and deal with T.O. despite the fact that he had to deal with Moss in Minnesota. I honestly dont see the difference. Back in 2005, there were rumors going around that we had a shot at Mike Holmgren but York didnt want to pay him to bring him back to SF which was a horrible decision in my opinion.

Nolan's rebuilding plan sucked. I hate it when new Head Coaches come in and want to rebuild the team to fit their system when they should be changing the system to fit the good players that are already on the team. Look at DEN and to a lesser extent, GB. Both teams are going 3-4 and DEN arguably has less talent than we did in 2005 while in GB, they have one of the best DE's and pass rushers in Kampman and they want him to make the transition to OLB. I'm sorry but thats ******* stupid. You're supposed to highlight the strengths and hide the weaknesses instead of exposing them.

I personally wouldnt have let Peterson go. I would have kept him more than any other defensive player we had at the time and yeah, that includes Bryant Young. Peterson was to us what Willis is to us now. The only difference is that Peterson was a better pass rusher.

You say that Nolan lost two very good offensive coordinators??? Who the hell was the second one??? Hiring Martz was horrible but I said that a year ago. I was actually hoping for Cam Cameron instead because of his experience with SD and using Tomlinson and Gates which if you look at us a year ago, the RB and TE positions with Gore and Davis were our top two offensive weapons and with Cameron, I really think that Davis could have had a breakout year.

Oh well. Its all in the past. I like Singletary's tough ass attitude but I hope it doesnt backfire as im looking forward to 2009. No matter what, one thing better happen - barring injury, Shaun Hill better be the starter come week one.
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The picture of the new stadium looks amazing.
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How do you guys feel about moving it to Santa Clara? I've got misgivings to be honest...
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How do you guys feel about moving it to Santa Clara? I've got misgivings to be honest...
It's about 28 mi. south down Hwy. 101 from Candlestick, but on a holiday weekend it's a 2 hr. crawl thru bumper to bumper traffic. It's about the same for 9ers fans from the Santa Clara Vly. north to Candlestick. Locating it where it's planned takes all the parking space b/c it's next to the Great America Amusement Park, which it would have to drive OOB for their parking area alone. It's a completely bogus claim that putting it where they're planning would be centrally located for their fanbase, the Yorks want to be as close as possible to Silicon Valley $.

They will have public transportation going there -- so they say -- but it's run by the same bozos who swindled voters into paying for the 3 rail-based transportation systems we have here in the Bay Area: BART, Caltrains, & the San Jose Light Rail, 3 different technologies, we couldn't connect them if we tried & they are disjointed today. If they built it by 2010 there would be massive financing & logistics problems.
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The Santa Clara site can't be any worse than the current Candlestick site. Lizard, do you stay for the entire game at Candlestick? I'm going to guess the answer is "no" 'cause the traffic after the game ends is absolutely brutal.

Besides, I'll take Santa Clara over moving the team to LA.
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Nolan's rebuilding plan sucked. I hate it when new Head Coaches come in and want to rebuild the team to fit their system when they should be changing the system to fit the good players that are already on the team. Look at DEN and to a lesser extent, GB. Both teams are going 3-4 and DEN arguably has less talent than we did in 2005 while in GB, they have one of the best DE's and pass rushers in Kampman and they want him to make the transition to OLB. I'm sorry but thats ******* stupid. You're supposed to highlight the strengths and hide the weaknesses instead of exposing them.

You say that Nolan lost two very good offensive coordinators??? Who the hell was the second one??? Hiring Martz was horrible but I said that a year ago. I was actually hoping for Cam Cameron instead because of his experience with SD and using Tomlinson and Gates which if you look at us a year ago, the RB and TE positions with Gore and Davis were our top two offensive weapons and with Cameron, I really think that Davis could have had a breakout year.
I have a response to each paragraph above:

The first, the 3-4 defense is goingto and has become more popular in the NFL due to the spread offense in college. NCAA teams are shifting towards Dlines with smaller and faster DEs to account for all the running lanes the spread opens up. The most talented DEs are working to keep their weight low, thus we are seeing players like Aaron Maybin and Everett Brown, who seem to fit better as 3-4 DEs than 4-3 DEs. We are also seeing teams reach for rare players like Tyson Jackson because of this. I think the fact that Nolan was experienced in the 3-4 was one of the reasons the 49ers hired him.

Also you should look into Aaron Kampman a little more. He played OLB and even some S in college. He also has a lot of experience blitzing off the line of scrimmage. The Packers also have a better looking 3-4 Dline than the Niners do as of now, so I wouldn't be so quick to judge.

The second, I was referencing Norv Turner and Mike McCarthy. McCarthy didn't have the greatest year with the team, but that was largely due to the talent of that roster. Turner inherited/benefited a lot from McCarthy's work. And I don't think I need to vouch for the job McCarthy has done in GB. Nolan made one bad hire and that was Mike Martz. He really had no choice with Jim Hostler...
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The Santa Clara site can't be any worse than the current Candlestick site. Lizard, do you stay for the entire game at Candlestick? I'm going to guess the answer is "no" 'cause the traffic after the game ends is absolutely brutal.

Besides, I'll take Santa Clara over moving the team to LA.
Agree, traffic is absolutely brutal. The drive to and from Santa Clara will probably take the same amount of time as would getting in and out of the Stick.

Also, I realize beggers can't be chooses, but I hate the new design of the stadium. The design looks bland and reminds me of Stanford's stadium. After seeing what Seattle, Arizona, and the Cowboys have done ours looks second rate.

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The drive to and from Santa Clara will probably take the same amount of time as would getting in and out of the Stick.

Also, I realize beggers can't be chooses, but I hate the new design of the stadium. The design looks bland and reminds me of Stanford's stadium. After seeing what Seattle, Arizona, and the Cowboys have done ours looks second rate.
Haha and sitting on the highway beats sitting in the hood. I'm all about parking all the way around the north end either right inside the stadium parking lot or across the street creating some wierd parking spot for myself on the dirt. Of course this strategy requires me to be running late, to which I easily oblige. Where do you guys generally park?

I like the ground level pics but the airborne pics dont look great. Would love to see some more creative architecture.
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Is it me, or do the first two not look like the third? By the way, I find it hilarious that Alex Smith is on the jumbotron in the first two.
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Is it me, or do the first two not look like the third? By the way, I find it hilarious that Alex Smith is on the jumbotron in the first two.
The first two look a lot different and more plain. The last shot looks like a whole different stadium. I'd rather it be amazing to look at walking in than the "blimp shot" from overhead.

The Alex Smith jumbotron was the first thing I noticed. Lol...and this was approved?! :)
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The first two look a lot different and more plain. The last shot looks like a whole different stadium. I'd rather it be amazing to look at walking in than the "blimp shot" from overhead.

The Alex Smith jumbotron was the first thing I noticed. Lol...and this was approved?! :)
Those pics with Alex are a few years old.
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Are there any shots of the new stadium besides that third one?
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Smith tried to find Morgan down the field again during skelly drills, but completed the pass instead to free safety Dashon Goldson. As Morgan ran a vertical route down the right hasmarks, the ball was intercepted by Goldson 35 yards down the field. It was Goldsonís third interception of the offseason.
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But the play of the day went to Shaun Hill and Josh Morgan, who hooked up on a deep touchdown pass at the expense of Bly. Morgan made a double-move on the newest 49ers defensive back and hauled in Hillís pass by his fingertips 35 yards down the field and proceeded to run down the sideline. The catch was reminiscent of his 31-yard touchdown against the Arizona Cardinals on Monday Night Football last season.
Josh Morgan and Dashon Goldson seem to be making the most headlines in the OTAs. Im so psyched to see Morgan on the field. I think he's going to breakout big this year.
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