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Old 05-04-2010, 02:54 PM    (permalink
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Locking up Willis through 2016 was a no-brainer. Glad the Niners prioritized the move. VD is indeed next. He shouldn't get too much more money as he was already one of the highest paid TEs in the league.
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Willis re-signing a definite WIN for the organization. If I was the organization, Davis would be next and then I might look into seeing how much Manny wants.

What's exciting about this signing is that it shows the team has their priorities in order. I frankly wasn't expecting anything less, but once again it's good to see they know a quality player when they see one. Most underrated development since the Donahue days is that the team has done a fairly good job of assessing the worth of it's own players and not overpaid to keep the Ahmed Plummers of the world.
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I'm still very skeptical of Vernon, I would not extend him just yet.
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I'm still very skeptical of Vernon, I would not extend him just yet.
Whaaaaaaaaaat? I'm usually a skeptical person because I like to be sure of things. I would be skeptical if he had 700 yards and 3 TDs. But the numbers he put up last season tell me here is HERE and he is here to stay.
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Whaaaaaaaaaat? I'm usually a skeptical person because I like to be sure of things. I would be skeptical if he had 700 yards and 3 TDs. But the numbers he put up last season tell me here is HERE and he is here to stay.
I dunno about all that. He got a lot of his production based on 2-3 routes last year, he hasn't really shown he can run anything else; plus, he still has questionable hands and blows at being the hot read/security blanket a TE is supposed to be. Teams can take away those few routes, and they were already starting to do it at the end of last year. I would wait until mid-season to see if he's still producing.
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Extending Willis was awesome. Next up - Vernon Davis and Manny Lawson. :)
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I dunno about all that. He got a lot of his production based on 2-3 routes last year, he hasn't really shown he can run anything else; plus, he still has questionable hands and blows at being the hot read/security blanket a TE is supposed to be. Teams can take away those few routes, and they were already starting to do it at the end of last year. I would wait until mid-season to see if he's still producing.
He put up monster numbers with Alex Smith and Shaun Hill throwing the ball. That should tell you something. Not extending Davis would be stupid.
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I dunno about all that. He got a lot of his production based on 2-3 routes last year, he hasn't really shown he can run anything else; plus, he still has questionable hands and blows at being the hot read/security blanket a TE is supposed to be. Teams can take away those few routes, and they were already starting to do it at the end of last year. I would wait until mid-season to see if he's still producing.
He scored every week from 11-17 except for once. He gets production on those routes because no one can stop them given his size and athleticism. He's a proven blocker and his hands are improving. He is/will be a big part of the progression of this offense, why not give him a little incentive to keeping doing so
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Are you kidding me? He tied the record for TD's in a season playing with the league's 21st rated QB. It would be IDIOTIC not to resign him. Just no reason to risk waiting. The sooner the do it, the cheaper it will be.
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If Alex has a great year, he's gotta be the priority. Then we have to deal with Franklin, who is pretty much the center of the D. Even Goldson is due for an extension. They have to be smart. I like Vernon and his work ethic, but I don't think the drop off between him and Delanie is tremendously severe. Vernon's ONE productive year could very much have been a fluke, I'd wait.
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He scored every week from 11-17 except for once. He gets production on those routes because no one can stop them given his size and athleticism. He's a proven blocker and his hands are improving. He is/will be a big part of the progression of this offense, why not give him a little incentive to keeping doing so
I agree wholeheartedly with this post. Vernon is just so talented and he's still only scratching the surface. binary's right that he could still learn to do better with some of his route running and his hands could be improved, but that's all the more reason to lock him up, IMO. Fact is, he was virtually unstoppable at times last year and he could still get so much better. That's EXACTLY the type of guy you do lock up with a longterm deal, because the ceiling and the floor are both very high.

Niners are looking to recreate the KC offense of the early part of the last decade, IMO...We've drafted the linemen to try and replicate the KC strength there, we've got Solari and Raye, Frank Gore is superior to both LJ and Priest Holmes in their primes IMO, and now we need to lock up our dynamic TE longterm. Get it done, Jed.

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I personally would try signing Davis soon before he commands record money for a TE(which he may already)

Gore better than Holmes in his prime is a bit of a stretch though, he had 2 of the best years by a RB ever
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Niners are looking to recreate the KC offense of the early part of the last decade, IMO...We've drafted the linemen to try and replicate the KC strength there, we've got Solari and Raye, Frank Gore is superior to both LJ and Priest Holmes in their primes IMO, and now we need to lock up our dynamic TE longterm. Get it done, Jed.
Great...that got them how may championships?!

Rather than a Chiefs re-build, how bout we just keep it at the new build of the Niners for the 6th ring? :)
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Yeah, if I had to choose, I'm taking Priest over Gore. I love Frank, but Priest on his prime was unstoppable.
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Great...that got them how may championships?!

Rather than a Chiefs re-build, how bout we just keep it at the new build of the Niners for the 6th ring? :)
They didn't have the defense we have. Their offense was beastly though
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He scored every week from 11-17 except for once. He gets production on those routes because no one can stop them given his size and athleticism. He's a proven blocker and his hands are improving. He is/will be a big part of the progression of this offense, why not give him a little incentive to keeping doing so
1st, big kudos for locking up Willis. Drafting the right O-linemen in the 1st rd, now this -- is this the SF 9ers we're talking about, hitting on all cylinders & doing the right things in an appropriate & timely fashion? Damn! Big kudos to Baalke & Jed York, they're the new NFL whiz kids in charge of one of the hottest & fastest-rising (if not THE hottest) young team in the NFC. Maybe thier taking the reins after McCloghan resigned & their baptism of fire in this draft was the best thing that's happened in SF in awhile.

A little incentive for Davis to stay in SF besides throwing millions at him? Uhhhmmmm, howzabout another QB not named Alex Smith to throw to him? Just saying.......never to early to start those Jake Locker targeted in the 2011 draft rumors. OK howzabout Andrew Luck in a 9ers uni, local superstar from Stanford? They would have to finish like an el stinko 2-14 b/c if Luck declares he will be the #1 overall pick if he stays healthy & I would be a sad panda if they trade up for him

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If Alex has a great year, he's gotta be the priority. Then we have to deal with Franklin, who is pretty much the center of the D. Even Goldson is due for an extension. They have to be smart. I like Vernon and his work ethic, but I don't think the drop off between him and Delanie is tremendously severe. Vernon's ONE productive year could very much have been a fluke, I'd wait.
Agree in regards to Smith but either way, we have to wait until almot a year from now before deciding on Smith. Franklin has been damn good for us the last two seasons but he'll be 30 before the season starts and I personally wouldnt give him a long term contract but thats just me. Let him play under the franchise tag for 2010 and if anything, I would do the same with him in 2011 because he would be 32 once the 2012 season starts and no way in hell would I give him a lot of money a few months earlier since franchising a player for three straight seasons requires that player to be given the average of the top five players in the league regardless of position. Goldson comes before Lawson but after Davis in my opinion. And the dropoff between Davis and Walker isnt severe??? Are you ******* kidding me?????

Walker: 54 rec, 592 yards, 2 TD's
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Actually, you're right. Thats a very small and minor dropoff. Bye bye Davis.

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I agree wholeheartedly with this post. Vernon is just so talented and he's still only scratching the surface. binary's right that he could still learn to do better with some of his route running and his hands could be improved, but that's all the more reason to lock him up, IMO. Fact is, he was virtually unstoppable at times last year and he could still get so much better. That's EXACTLY the type of guy you do lock up with a longterm deal, because the ceiling and the floor are both very high.

Niners are looking to recreate the KC offense of the early part of the last decade, IMO...We've drafted the linemen to try and replicate the KC strength there, we've got Solari and Raye, Frank Gore is superior to both LJ and Priest Holmes in their primes IMO, and now we need to lock up our dynamic TE longterm. Get it done, Jed.
Davis still needs to work on his route running but everyone forgets that like Lawson, Davis was so misused in the first three seasons of his career compared to 2009. Davis is awesome and will only get better as his career goes forward.

I dont agree with the second part. First, KC's offense had a far superior QB in Trent Green, solid WR's, a great TE and arguably the best OL. Second, no way in hell is Gore better than Holmes. Holmes was what Westbrook was in Philly but with triple the production. Gore doesnt have the catching ability that Holmes had. Not even close. As for Johnson, he had two great seasons but after 2006, the entire offense in KC was dead except for him. I think Johnson will be a 1000 yard rusher this year in WSH.

With that being said, Davis should be next in line to get extended followed by Goldson and then Lawson.

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1st, big kudos for locking up Willis. Drafting the right O-linemen in the 1st rd, now this -- is this the SF 9ers we're talking about, hitting on all cylinders & doing the right things in an appropriate & timely fashion? Damn! Big kudos to Baalke & Jed York, they're the new NFL whiz kids in charge of one of the hottest & fastest-rising (if not THE hottest) young team in the NFC. Maybe thier taking the reins after McCloghan resigned & their baptism of fire in this draft was the best thing that's happened in SF in awhile.

A little incentive for Davis to stay in SF besides throwing millions at him? Uhhhmmmm, howzabout another QB not named Alex Smith to throw to him? Just saying.......never to early to start those Jake Locker targeted in the 2011 draft rumors. OK howzabout Andrew Luck in a 9ers uni, local superstar from Stanford? They would have to finish like an el stinko 2-14 b/c if Luck declares he will be the #1 overall pick if he stays healthy & I would be a sad panda if they trade up for him
I have to agree that Baalke and Singletary did a damn good job with the draft but if Davis and/or Iupati arent starting week one, I'll be pissed. Extending Willis to what is actually a fair but not record breaking deal is awesome for us.

Forget about QB right now. Let's at least give Smith 2010 before we start even thinking about another QB. I think that Smith will do good especially with the much improved OL. I would have liked a finesse/change of pace back but oh well. Bottom line is that I dont want to talk about QB's period unless its to bash and make fun of that crapper in Arizona. LOL.
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Big kudos to Baalke & Jed York, they're the new NFL whiz kids in charge of one of the hottest & fastest-rising (if not THE hottest) young team in the NFC. Maybe thier taking the reins after McCloghan resigned & their baptism of fire in this draft was the best thing that's happened in SF in awhile.
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Off San Jose Mercury columnist Tim Kawakami's twitter:
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NFL source: 49ers' long-term $$ basicallly was either/or between Willis & Vernon Davis. Willis got it. So Davis could be F/A next March.
Kawakami is usually wrong but a tidbit none the less. Matt Barrows, on the other hand, thinks there is a high chance he gets re-signed.

Also I think the bigger problem with Vernon was not his route running but him giving up on routes and being aware of how deep he was suppose to run his routes. I thought there was a huge improvement ,towards the end of the year, where he a great job of selling that post route, down the seam, and setting up his comeback route. Never thought I would be able to see VD pull that off.
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I like him to a very small degree. He does a great job taking teams to task i.e. GS Warriors but he is waaaaaaaaaaay too much like Skip Bayless with the way he forms opinions.
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We signed CB William James (Peterson) to a one year deal earlier today. He'll most likely be our dime back.
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Looks like Dre Bly definitely isn't coming back:

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http://twitter.com/MaioccoCSN/status/13456386866

I don't like the move. I think Bly is getting the axe for that stunt he pulled against the Falcons and his comments he mentioned afterwards. But he did apologized and went on to make his fair share of plays as the season progressed.
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Looks like Dre Bly definitely isn't coming back:



http://twitter.com/MaioccoCSN/status/13456386866

I don't like the move. I think Bly is getting the axe for that stunt he pulled against the Falcons and his comments he mentioned afterwards. But he did apologized and went on to make his fair share of plays as the season progressed.
Agreed. Bly actually showed he could be an effective STARTER, to me that is invaluable. Something tells me we are going to regret not re-signing him, I'm actually pretty disappointed right now
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