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Old 02-18-2014, 01:42 AM    (permalink
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The hardest pick for me would be if Benjamin and Pryor were still on the board.
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The hardest pick for me would be if Benjamin and Pryor were still on the board.
Really? For me, Pryor easily.
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Looks like we're keeping WR Jonathan Baldwin around for a while as he agreed to a pay cut. He reduced his salary from $1.40m to $645k. The $755k difference can be made back by reaching unlikely to be earned incentives. LOL.

Even though he was a candidate to be released, I didnt think that he would be either way until after the Draft. Now, I see him on the team until pre-season cuts. Low salary and nothing to lose by keeping him until September.
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True, you do need to consider the player in your sig
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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...-jim-harbaugh/

so...browns nearly traded for harbaugh per PFT.

normally i would say its BS....but there's been so much smoke for months. and not even florio would make up a huge story like this out of thin air.

not sure what this means for the future of our team....also puts more pressure on us to win this year because things could blow up pretty soon.
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Yeah, Harbaugh really wanted to bounce from the 49ers to go to the Browns.

LOL sure.
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My mock draft - I am sure this will change lol

1. First round No. 30 overall Darqueze Dennard CB
2. Second round No. 56 overall (from the Kansas City Chiefs) - Jordan Matthews WR
3. Second round No. 61 overall - Trent Murphy, DE/OLB
4. Third round No. 77 overall (from the Tennessee Titans) - Yawin Smallwood, ILB
5. Third round No. 94 overall - Anthony Johnson, DT
6. Fourth round TBD - Devin Street, WR
7. Fifth round - TBD - Aaron Murray, QB
8. Sixth round - TBD - Hakeem Smith, S
9. Seventh round TBD (from the New Orleans Saints) - Rashaad Reynolds, CB
10. Seventh round TBD (from the Carolina Panthers) - Bryan Stork, C
11. Seventh round TBD - Antonio Andrews, RB
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Actually, the Harbaugh to the Browns trade was a done deal until Harbaugh backed out of it. Harbaugh wants to be paid as if he's a winning Super Bowl head coach. Only problem is that he hasnt won a Super Bowl and until he does, he doesnt deserve to be paid like one.

In a way, if the Browns were offering high draft picks, I would have told him, sorry, but you're gone and take Roman and Fangio with you. LOL.

Harbaugh is becoming a power hungry egomaniac who thinks he's worth more than what he actually is.

Dont know about anyone else here but if I had to choose between Harbaugh and Baalke in regards to has the power, I would say goodbye to Harbaugh.
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My mock draft - I am sure this will change lol

1. First round No. 30 overall Darqueze Dennard CB
2. Second round No. 56 overall (from the Kansas City Chiefs) - Jordan Matthews WR
3. Second round No. 61 overall - Trent Murphy, DE/OLB
4. Third round No. 77 overall (from the Tennessee Titans) - Yawin Smallwood, ILB
5. Third round No. 94 overall - Anthony Johnson, DT
6. Fourth round TBD - Devin Street, WR
7. Fifth round - TBD - Aaron Murray, QB
8. Sixth round - TBD - Hakeem Smith, S
9. Seventh round TBD (from the New Orleans Saints) - Rashaad Reynolds, CB
10. Seventh round TBD (from the Carolina Panthers) - Bryan Stork, C
11. Seventh round TBD - Antonio Andrews, RB
WOW!!! Thats bad. Dennard is probably the best pick but he isnt lasting to 30. The second, third and fourth picks are horrible. Two DL and an ILB? WTF for??? Except for Dennard, I dont see any of the next four draft picks any higher than fourth on the depth chart in their respective positions. UGH.
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Haha. Very funny. When Harbaugh is gone in a year from now because he wanted more power, control and money than what York wants to give him, then him fidgeting around with the water bottle will make sense. Granted, it would be four years later but eventually, all things come to an end.
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Is Jordan Matthews a DL now???

And it was Baalke "fidgeting" with the water bottle. Not Harbaugh.
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^ Actually I think it was Jed fidgeting with a water bottle at a presser and then Dan used that as irrefutable evidence that Jed had no idea what he was doing and wasn't going to bring in a quality head coach.

Gotta love Dan's logic. It's like an infant trying to rationalize quantum physics from what he saw on Sesame Street.
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It was York who was fidgeting with the water bottle and thats who I meant when I say "then him". I didnt mean Harbaugh.
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Jed brought in a quality head coach who's becoming far more trouble than he's worth, especially in his own mind.
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Man I loved Jed York putting Florio in his place on twitter...lmao
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Moving on.....my 2014 fantasy off-season -

2014 Projected NFL Salary Cap: $130.000m
49ers Projected Cap Room: $11.733m*

*Includes the recent pay cut that was accepted by WR Jonathan Baldwin and the carryover of $2.175m from last season.

Salary Cap Casualties -
CB Carlos Rogers ($5.105m - full release, not a June 1st cut)

Total Cap Room: $16.838m

1) Re-sign WR Anquan Boldin (2 years / $12m / $2.00m signing bonus)
-2014: $6.00m / $2.00m / $8.00m (yeah, what the hell)
-2015: $4.00m non-guaranteed (dummy year)

2) FB Anthony Dixon (4 years / $3.20m / $1.20m signing bonus)
-2014: $200k / $300k / $500k
-2015: $400k / $300k / $700k
-2016: $600k / $300k / $900k
-2017: $800k / $300k / $1.10m

3) ILB Michael Wilhoite / ERFA (1 year / $570k)
-2014: $570k

4) CB Perrish Cox (4 years / $6.00m / $2.00m signing bonus)
-2014: $550k / $500k / $1.05m
-2015: $850k / $500k / $1.35m
-2016: $1.15m / $500k / $1.65m
-2017: $1.45m / $500k / $1.95m

2014 Cap Room after the above re-signings: $6.718m

FREE AGENCY:

1) QB Shaun Hill (2 years / $4.00m / $2.00m signing bonus)
-2014: $1.00m / $1.00m / $2.00m
-2015: $1.00m / $1.00m / $2.00m

Cap Room: $4.718m

NOTE: I would love to sign away ILB Karlos Dansby for at least one year due to the injury that Bowman sustained. Dansby is a stud but sadly, he would be more of a luxury that we cant afford. However, as much as I want the team to extend LG Mike Iupati, I dont think that they will. If RT Anthony Davis is averaging over $6m a season, there's no way that they're paying any OG that amount of money. I can easily see Iupati getting $7-8m a year on the open market. Because of this, I would really look into trading him for at least an early third round draft pick or higher because at best, we'll get a third round compensation draft pick for him in 2016. I would much rather get a higher draft pick this year as opposed to a lower draft pick and one that cant be traded away in 2016. Also, trading him would add $3.098m in cap room.

Cap Room if we trade Iupati: $7.816m

If we were to trade Iupati and if Dansby was still available, I would probably offer him a two year deal worth $8m or so but make it like Boldin where the first year is pretty much guaranteed but he can be released in a year from now without any cap penalty. Reason I add Dansby is only because Bowman could be out until mid-season and this could be our last year to win a Super Bowl with our defensive core intact as I can definitely see Justin Smith, McDonald and Brooks all being released in a year from now. Add Dorsey as a free agent and well, you can see why I would sign Dansby. And I normally stay away from veterans who are 30+ because they're usually on the decline but Dansby has been a stud his entire career. Hell, im still trying to figure out why Miami let him go in favor of Ellerbe/Wheeler. Most I would give him would be $3m guaranteed for 2014 with the other $5m for 2015 and not being guaranteed. He was paid $2.25m in Arizona and while he's definitely worth more than that, I dont think that he'll get much more due to his age and teams going younger and cheaper via the Draft. With all of that said, im not going to include him since I dont see Iupati being traded even though I think he should be.

2014 49ers Mock Draft -

Will get bashed for this but whatever, I want this guy.

*TRADE*
49ers trade #1/30 (620), #2/56 (340), #2/61 (292) and #3/77 (205) to the New York Giants for #1/12 (1200), #3/74 (220) and #5/140 (36).

-49ers total draft pick value - 1457
-Giants total draft pick value - 1456

1 / 12 - FS Calvin Pryor

He's my number one target. Pryor at FS allows the team to move Reid to SS giving us an excellent young safety combination for at least the next four years. Trading up from #30 to #12 is costly but I have always cared more about quality than quantity. Granted, its not the player most here want as thats probably a WR but to me, WR is worth less to us than Pryor. I would love Pryor to fall to the late teens but im not so sure that happens. I wouldnt be surprised if he goes top ten. Reason I trade with the Giants is because the Rams, Bears, Steelers, Cowboys, Ravens and Jets could all use a safety like Pryor. While things could obviously change, I think that safety is more important than CB. With Brock, Culliver, me re-signing Cox and Morris still on the team, CB can wait. I dont mind giving up a lot if I get the player I want.

3 / 74 - CB Kyle Fuller
3 / 94 - C Travis Swanson
4 / 125 - WR Brandon Coleman
5 / 140 - K Anthony Fera
5 / 158 - WR Jeff Janis
6 / 189 - ILB Andrew Wilson
7 / 218 - CB Marcus Williams
7 / 219 - OT Garrett Scott
7 / 220 - OG Larry Banks
7 / 222 - FS Mark Joyce

Summary: I think that Fuller will be long gone by 74 but since we're expected to get a third round compensation draft pick, I wouldnt mind trading #74 and #94 to get into the late second round to acquire Fuller or another top ten cornerback. Swanson could hopefully be had with our compensation draft pick. Coleman is huge at 6'6 220 and could be our big redzone threat while Janis is a speed guy. Both would add depth at WR and given time to improve. Fera replaces Dawson as I dont want the team to re-sign him even though I think that they will. Funny thing is that Fera is following in the footsteps of Dawson. LOL. Rest is just filler/depth even though I do expect a late round draft pick being sent to Miami for Martin.

Thoughts/opinions???

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Actually, the Harbaugh to the Browns trade was a done deal until Harbaugh backed out of it. Harbaugh wants to be paid as if he's a winning Super Bowl head coach. Only problem is that he hasnt won a Super Bowl and until he does, he doesnt deserve to be paid like one.

In a way, if the Browns were offering high draft picks, I would have told him, sorry, but you're gone and take Roman and Fangio with you. LOL.

Harbaugh is becoming a power hungry egomaniac who thinks he's worth more than what he actually is.

Dont know about anyone else here but if I had to choose between Harbaugh and Baalke in regards to has the power, I would say goodbye to Harbaugh.
The truth is always somewhere in the middle. Are there real tension between JH and Niners management? Yes. JH wasnts to be the highest paid coach in the league and wants more say in how the team is structured. Jed wants to make him top 5 in salary and is very loyal to Baalke and loves what he's done witht the roster. There's a big discrepancy there between the two sides. Now would JH really want to go to Cleveland with no QB and coach in the same division as his brother? Hell to the no. JH ain't dumb. He knows that would be like taking two steps back. And he also knows that this team is oh so close to giving him the ultimate bargaining chip. All is fair in love and contract negotiations. I think Lombardi, being he and JH are so close(his son is a quality control coach for the Niners, under JH)maybe called the Niners and hypothetical asked what would it take to trade for JH. And management, probably speaking hypothetically, threw out a random bunch of picks and maybe a certain WR. But was this really going to happen? Not even. But if your David Dunn(JH's agent), this story leaking a very successful ploy to show management just how much impact JH has on the fanbase and reminding York how many other fanbases would just love to have him be their headache.

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And for the record, if I had to choose between the two, I'm picking Baalke.

If you think a good coach is hard to find, a great GM is even more rare. And Baalke is turning into a great GM. I think JH is a truly outstanding coach. I wanted him as our coach since his University of San Deigo days. I think he's a mutiple SB-winning HC. I love his concepts on team-building and how he coaches men to beleive in sacrificing for the betterment of the team. That being said, he is also a high-maintenance guy and his personality grinds on ppl. He will always be looking for the next challenge and that next challenge may not always be with his current employer. He's not the type to stay at one place for 10 years. And as a football mind, he has his flaws and unwillingness to conform at times which really bothers me. And as much as I value him as a coach, him as a talent evaluator is yet to be seen. So him having ultimate personnel control would scare the crap out of me. That rarely works, if ever. Coaches coach. So I would absolutely, positively HATE to see him go but I would not lose too much sleep over it because it would not surprise me. JH reminds a lot of Parcells in that they are intense personalities that burnout quick until another fire is lit. If JH's new fire is more control and power over his team, he won't stop until he gets it from someone. Its not in his nature.

Baalke, aside from the 2012 draft, has hit a homerun at every turn as a GM. And that includes bringing JH to the NFL and the Niner organization. I would trust that he would be able to find another coach who would be able to coach up this talented roster he has helped built. Alot coaches would be salivating to get their hands on this roster. Dare I say, another coach might be able to get just a little more out of this roster, particularly the offensive side. But you don't wash your hands of a guy like Baalke, a guy who could run your organization for 20 years and keep you relevant the whole time, to appease your coach. Not even a coach like JH. Any good organization starts at the management level.

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The truth is always somewhere in the middle. Are there real tension between JH and Niners management? Yes. JH wasnts to be the highest paid coach in the league and wants more say in how the team is structured. Jed wants to make him top 5 in salary and is very loyal to Baalke and loves what he's done witht the roster. There's a big discrepancy there between the two sides. Now would JH really want to go to Cleveland with no QB and coach in the same division as his brother? Hell to the no. JH ain't dumb. He knows that would be like taking two steps back. And he also knows that this team is oh so close to giving him the ultimate bargaining chip. All is fair in love and contract negotiations. I think Lombardi, being he and JH are so close(his son is a quality control coach for the Niners, under JH)maybe called the Niners and hypothetical asked what would it take to trade for JH. And management, probably speaking hypothetically, threw out a random bunch of picks and maybe a certain WR. But was this really going to happen? Not even. But if your David Dunn(JH's agent), this story leaking a very successful ploy to show management just how much impact JH has on the fanbase and reminding York how many other fanbases would just love to have him be their headache.
Everyone can believe what they want. I believe that Harbaugh wanted to go to Cleveland if it meant a lot more money, power and control. Harbaugh cares a lot more about that stuff than he does winning because if he didnt, he wouldnt be trying to get paid as a winning Super Bowl head coach when he hasnt won one so why should he get paid as one?

In the end, I think that Harbaugh looked at the bigger picture and realized that going to Cleveland wasnt worth the money, power and control. Yet, its still something he desperately wants in SF even though he shouldnt get it. The Browns have basically confirmed that the deal was done but Harbaugh backed out at the last minute.

Do I think that Harbaugh wanted to go to the Browns? I would say thats 50/50 because he wants the money, power and control. Considering the fact that after just two seasons, he wanted more money, power and control and the situation has only gotten worse as opposed to better, I would say that if Cleveland was like the Chiefs last year, I would say that he would have been gone.

Quite simply, Harbaugh is becoming more trouble than he's worth in my opinion. Has he done a great job? Yes but at the same time, its not like it took much to surpass Erickson, Nolan and Singletary. Not like he was replacing Walsh, Seifert or even Mariucci.

Harbaugh used Texas as leverage and now he's using this entire situation as more leverage against the team and if York pays him, then he's a moron. Harbaugh has two years left on his contract at $5m per season. I wouldnt give him a damn thing especially after he keeps trying to leverage the team for more money. He should be kissing York's ass. Otherwise, he would be stuck in that cluster**** known as Miami.

I would let Harbaugh coach out his contract because quite simply, our offense still sucks, our franchise QB who we're supposed to pay franchise QB money to regressed this past season despite having a so called offensive mastermind as his head coach who was also a QB in his career. People here will bash me and I dont know why. It's not that I want the team to suck like it did pre-Harbaugh but at the same time, I dont want the team to be stuck in cap hell after they pay Kaepernick and Crabtree.

Another reason why Harbaugh is pushing for so much more money and power and control now is simple...he knows that in a year from now, he may be losing four defensive starters plus Gore and Iupati. If he cant win with all these guys now, how the hell is he going to win without them? And that right there is why he wants all the money, power and control now because he knows that as the years pass, he's less likely to get that Super Bowl title that would give him what he covets most.

If im York, I want to see if the offense and Kaepernick IMPROVES like he and the offense should have already but hasnt. If those two things dont happen in 2014, why the hell would I pay them? Too many people think that these people deserve so much money and for what? Losing in the Super Bowl? Losing in two NFCCG? Come on. You want to get paid, its very simple, win a Super Bowl.

Harbaugh showed that he's a power hungry control freak in the Super Bowl by making Kaepernick pass at the end of the game so he could prove to the world that he was going to win with Kaepernick. He has Gore back there and yet, he kept passing. Sorry, the play calling was beyond horrible and made no sense. Wasting that time out didnt help either.

Everyone here can bash me or call me negative or whatever but Harbaugh isnt going to win us a Super Bowl. Sorry. He had his chance and the team was so unprepared that it took a blackout to get us back in the game and he still was unprepared at the end. The offense needs to become dominant as opposed to depending on the defense, special teams and field goals to win games.

You look at the Seahawks who have arguably a worse offense than we do in regards to talent and skill, yet they won a Super Bowl before us. Didnt think that was going to happen. Reason why it did is because they were more prepared, focused and concentrated on the task at hand. Some of the players we have are more concerned and focused on tweeting and twating or whatever the hell it is.

Thats on Harbaugh. He needs to be more discipline and more strict yet he's not. Sorry. I love my team but I have really soured on Harbaugh, Roman, Fangio, Kaepernick and Crabtree. I really have. I bought into all the hype a year ago but im finally seeing through all the bullcrap.

York pays these guys. He will regret it. I guarantee it and the reason why is simple. If they didnt improve before getting paid, why the hell would any of them care to improve after they get paid? Simply, there would be no reason to do so.

I posted this in that Super Bowl topic or NFCCG topic or whatever it was in the pro football forum. People called me nuts but hell, if I could have gotten the Browns first six draft picks and Gordon for Harbaugh, Kaepernick, Crabtree and Iupati, I would have said see ya!!! Because with the exception of Iupati, none of them are worth the money that they are and will most likely demand. Sadly, the one guy who should get paid is the one guy that most likely wont.

And everyone here can bash me or whatever but if you guys cant see through all this bullcrap like I can, then you're all blind to whats right in front of your faces.
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Well ideally we'd keep both. We have one of the best HC/GM combos in the NFL.

I think the leak either came from Harbaughs agent, Lombardi, or Joe Banner (Browns CEO). This doesn't make the Browns look good (they failed...again( or the 49ers (real doubts about tension in the FO). Although i think what really happened is CLE called, SF humored them as a negotiating ploy, and it became a bigger deal than it really was.

BTW Maiocco reported that if Harbaugh did leave, Jim Tomsula would be our HC.
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I was going to say I think Tomsula is going to be a excellent head coach and could be the successor to JH. He's a coach guys would run through a brick wall for. But this is a offensive league now and I'm not too keen on guys who don't have experience with X's and O's, as HCs. I would prefer a coach with a offensive background. But I like Tomsula enough that I would be willing to take that gamble.
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it definitely seems tougher to replace a great GM than it is to replace a great HC.

harbaugh is one of the best, top 5 at worst. but i think we could find a top 10-15 HC. i would look at tomsula and dan quinn if we had to find a replacement. i think they would be good head coaches. i don't know if we could find a top available GM candidate that would be as good as baalke. maybe tom gamble? GM is much tougher to replace.
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I would go after Gruden or Cowher if it came to that. Say whatever you want about either but both have a Super Bowl title. Something that Harbaugh does not have.
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I would go after Gruden or Cowher if it came to that. Say whatever you want about either but both have a Super Bowl title. Something that Harbaugh does not have.
Why not Brian Billick or Barry Switzer? Hell, George Seifert has TWO. Just hire one of them.
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