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Old 04-23-2009, 05:44 PM    (permalink
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im not saying the HoF Player didnt make a mark. i just dont think making a mark is an argument to get into HoF. Its more a sign that he did. but the HOW did he make the mark is the better reason for why he should be in the HoF. He is in the HoF because of his play which left a mark on the game. Focus on his game, his play and naturally the result is the mark making. so concentrate on that first.
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Old 04-23-2009, 11:21 PM    (permalink
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There is a huge difference between Emmitt Smith and Troy Aikman. I argue that Smith isn't the GOAT and that his extraordinary stats were largely a result of that O-line. But he is definitely top 5, anyone who tries to argue Smith doesn't deserve a first ballot HOF nod is just a complete homer, and no one hates the Cowboys more than me.

I do think it is ridiculous that people are saying Aikman shouldn't make the hall. But there is no way he should have been a first ballot.
What people fail to see is how balanced and downright dominating those 90s Cowboys teams were. There's a reason Emmitt Smith has a **** ton of yards, and that's because most of the time, they were jamming it down their throats to end games. There was never any need for Troy Aikman to put up 300 plus yards a game, but when they did, he showed up (see '94 NFC Championship), as did Irvin. So really, there's always a way you can attack the statistical argument people make. Second highest playoff winning percentage, three Superbowl rings with an MVP in Superbowl XXVII. How many players can say they've done all that?

Also, i don't think the amount of time someone takes to get into the hall should be looked at as much as you are. Yes, he got in with the first ballot, but who else was there that you wanted to put in his place?
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Old 04-23-2009, 11:34 PM    (permalink
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What people fail to see is how balanced and downright dominating those 90s Cowboys teams were. There's a reason Emmitt Smith has a **** ton of yards, and that's because most of the time, they were jamming it down their throats to end games. There was never any need for Troy Aikman to put up 300 plus yards a game, but when they did, he showed up (see '94 NFC Championship), as did Irvin. So really, there's always a way you can attack the statistical argument people make. Second highest playoff winning percentage, three Superbowl rings with an MVP in Superbowl XXVII. How many players can say they've done all that?

Also, i don't think the amount of time someone takes to get into the hall should be looked at as much as you are. Yes, he got in with the first ballot, but who else was there that you wanted to put in his place?
That's why I am arguing he should belong in the HOF without a doubt.

The first ballot should be reserved for the best of the best. Aikman was never the best QB in the league. I would have put in Ray Guy or Art Monk over him. Then I would have voted in Aikman the next year, without hesitation.
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**Warning: May be biased.**

Aikman didn't put up great numbers. He didn't have to. Aikman was a winner. He won football games and championships.

All that aside, I truly believe that he is in based on one thing...

It was Emmitt Smith, Michael Irvin, AND Troy Aikman who was the face of a franchise that should've won 4 straight Super Bowls (did win 3 out of 4), and became one of the top dynasties in NFL history.

His stats are average, but his championships, and his "mark on history" is more than enough to get him in.
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Robert Horry a HOF? He had other players that put up all the stats
So his stats are blah- but came up big in every big game.
I think its fair to say that the teams he was on wouldn't of won it all without him
He also has 7 rings. Show'd up to all of them.
Won them in Houston (Halajuwon), Lakers (Kobe/Shaq) and Spurs (Duncan)

HOFer? No ***** way
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Old 04-24-2009, 12:25 AM    (permalink
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Robert Horry a HOF? He had other players that put up all the stats
So his stats are blah- but came up big in every big game.
I think its fair to say that the teams he was on wouldn't of won it all without him
He also has 7 rings. Show'd up to all of them.
Won them in Houston (Halajuwon), Lakers (Kobe/Shaq) and Spurs (Duncan)

HOFer? No ***** way
I think Horry is an eventual hall of famer. He has had a long career and he was huge in big games. Basketball is a completely different argument though. Just due to the number of players on the floor at one time. Each person is more important.
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Old 04-24-2009, 01:35 AM    (permalink
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I think Horry is an eventual hall of famer. He has had a long career and he was huge in big games. Basketball is a completely different argument though. Just due to the number of players on the floor at one time. Each person is more important.
Well, nevermind then. To me- Horry is nowhere near a HOF
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I wouldn't put Horry anywhere near the HOF, but that's a bad comparison for Aikman. Horry lucked out by being near Hakeem, Shaq, and Duncan. Aikman was a starting QB. Journeyman roleplayer != starting QB.
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Tony Romo is already blasting away at Troy Aikman's franchise passing records. Is Tony Romo a better QB than Troy Aikman?

We can go round and round with this for days.
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Tony Romo is already blasting away at Troy Aikman's franchise passing records. Is Tony Romo a better QB than Troy Aikman?

We can go round and round with this for days.
At this rate, yes, he will end up a better QB than Troy Aikman.

Assuming of course he manages to actually win some playoff games...
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At this rate, yes, he will end up a better QB than Troy Aikman.

Assuming of course he manages to actually win some playoff games...
statistically, anyway.
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Yeah, not factoring in SBs I meant.
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Tony Romo is already blasting away at Troy Aikman's franchise passing records. Is Tony Romo a better QB than Troy Aikman?

We can go round and round with this for days.
Romo probably already is a better pure QB at this time. But Aikman is not in the QB HOF. He's in the Pro Football HOF. Aikman has so many of the intangibles you look for in a team leader. And he was just that, a team leader. And IMO you can throw the stats out the window, and just look at the circumstances; worst to first, leader of a dynasty, 3 Super Bowls/3 Super Bowl wins, Super Bowl MVP, and able to live up to 1st pick overall. That does not happen often and it should be rewarded.
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