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Old 04-22-2009, 07:30 PM    (permalink
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i've heard they both drop more passes then they should, britt especially. in fact if you want i have a link to our very own scott wright's player rankings http://www.draftcountdown.com/scouti...enny-Britt.php

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I LOL @ the Browns offer it sounds like BT is the Browns GM in real life. Anything more than a 1st round strait up is not even close to worth it.

Boldin > Roy Williams Jr. > Edwards

Zona is looking for a 1st and a 3rd for Boldin and aren't getting any calls. Roy went for a 1st and a 3rd as well and everyone thinks that Dallas got raped in the trade. So to think that Edwards is going for anything higher than a 1st round pick is laughable.
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I can honestly see the Giants using their 1st round pick and pressuring Cleveland to take a deal with a 2nd round or walk...... J-Reese isnt one to get pushed around in a deal, as Sal Pal reported on ESPN 'Kiwi is a deal breaker' plain and simple as that
And Braylon Edwards is a pro-bowl receiver that doesn't need to be moved.

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i've heard they both drop more passes then they should, britt especially. in fact if you want i have a link to our very own scott wright's player rankings http://www.draftcountdown.com/scouti...enny-Britt.php

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you've clearly never watched more than one Rutgers game.

but I'm not gonna hijack this thread.

either way, the Browns are asking for way too much, and when Braylon freaks during another sub-.500 season, they'll regret not taking an offer now
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I hope this deal falls through. Braylon has alot of talent, and I don't want the Giants to get him. He had a bad year with a ton of drops, but he still got 16 touchdowns a year before. In MY he might be able to put it together again.
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Braylon would be a perfect fit as a receiver who can go up and go get balls. If he does have to wind up with the giants i really hope it involves Kiwi going out the door, maybe something along the lines of kiwi and 3rd or 4th would probably be a good deal for both sides
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you've clearly never watched more than one Rutgers game.

but I'm not gonna hijack this thread.

either way, the Browns are asking for way too much, and when Braylon freaks during another sub-.500 season, they'll regret not taking an offer now
true, i don't watch rutgers games. i don't disagree that we are asking for too much, but i think braylon is more valuable to us than what you are offering and the only way i would want him to be traded is for a proven player like kiwi and a decent pick. that's the last bit i'll say in the thread.
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Yeah, though I doubt it will happen I hope we keep Edwards for another year at least so we can either sign him longterm or get more value for him...because I don't think we'll have jack **** at WR this year if we trade him. I don't think we'll draft Crabtree at 5, and that would mean our starting WRs would consist of Patten and/or Cribbs/Steptoe/a rookie/the current #3, 4, or 5 WR on the NYG.
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silly rutgers fans, the chances of this are slim



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ok, wait it out, and when everyone stacks the box and jacobs goes down with an injury like he always does, we will see how well your offense produces.



i don't know the details of the negotiations, but he is still a brown for this year and there is always the franchise tag. he's on sale because he is worth a lot and maybe a team will be willing to part with a 1st rd pick and a good de/olb for him. which is good for us...



teams trade a lot based on potential all the time... they are called draft picks.

some things to think about. just playing devils advocate to some stuff that's been said, not necessarily arguing one way or the other.


No, Eagles said they wanted Boldin and now reports said they are in the lead for Gonzo. So who knows there Not sure if that's smoke but there are no more reports on BE. Unless they come out of now where which I think is not likely, but possible as an option.

Yeah but not on existing players! We are not going to trade picks and a player for a guy who has a high ceiling and 1 1,1000 yard pro bowl season only and led the league in drops, which raised questions from our scouting department on his focus. We want production to go with that too, especially if we have to pay a team compensation AND the guy a huge contract.

Don't forget we have to pay ELi too, we can't break the bank for BE and then get raped on compensation on top.

Honestly I hope this trade doesn't go down.
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Braylon would be a perfect fit as a receiver who can go up and go get balls. If he does have to wind up with the giants i really hope it involves Kiwi going out the door, maybe something along the lines of kiwi and 3rd or 4th would probably be a good deal for both sides
Reese laughed at the Kiwi speculation because he said we didn't just spend all that money on the DL to secure depth only to trade it away now, lol. Unless it's smoke which can be true, I don't see us trading away DL depth especially since our DEs had none towards the end of last season. Plus the versatility factor..

On the 3rd down..

Kiwi, Tuck, Canty, and Osi.. We trade Kiwi it hurts that rotation. Plus now we are keeping him at DE, so he can gain the muscle mass and weight accordingly and not worry about another position move.
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A little OT, but Kiwanuka-Tuck-Canty-Umenyiora is gonna be scary as hell if a team is facing the Giants in a passing situation. It was already scary as hell when they have Robbins/Cofield in there.
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A little OT, but Kiwanuka-Tuck-Canty-Umenyiora is gonna be scary as hell if a team is facing the Giants in a passing situation. It was already scary as hell when they have Robbins/Cofield in there.
That's the hope on 3rd down.. Trading Kiwi screws it up.. We should have 4 DEs, 2 of them, Tuck and Canty with the versatility to play inside. Hence trading Kiwi is assinine. If you guys want Kiwi, you GIVE us picks, because now your shopping in the premium section, which is what our team is build on.. Two trenches, OL and DL, if you want to take our DL talent, and take away depth, then forget just BE, you give us some of your picks. Now your shopping in a section that makes us tick. We need DL depth, and OL depth. Our team is built in the trenches and we just added to our DL. So if you want Kiwi, then you give us BE plus picks. Not the other way around. Price goes up because you want to take away from our core focus.

That's why Reese said hell no. Why would we sign depth and make our DL sick, only to trade the depth away? lol. Makes zero sense in my opinion. If ManKo asked for Kiwi, and I were Reese, I'd have the same reaction too.
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All this Rutgers talk reminds me of just how amazing and awesome it was when they were highly ranked, a few seasons ago, powered by the Leonard Leap and the Baltimore Raven Offense.
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The Browns asking price for Edwards, i agree, is quite laughable. Kiwi is a stud and is getting better every year, unlike Edwards who just had a big regression- i would not even do the trade straight up and they want us to put in a 1st as well....hah ya ok
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After the yaer he had last year I would be happy with getting offered a 2nd and a 5th.
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The Browns asking price for Edwards, i agree, is quite laughable. Kiwi is a stud and is getting better every year, unlike Edwards who just had a big regression- i would not even do the trade straight up and they want us to put in a 1st as well....hah ya ok
You act like offering a 2nd and 5th for him isn't just as ridiculous.
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i'd give 29, Hixon and a 5th.
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i'd give 29, Hixon and a 5th.
29, 2nd round pick, and Mario Manningham.
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Cleveland could always keep one of their best players...maybe? He won't have the option to just leave next year anyways, franchise tag.
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1st, 2nd AND WR..LOL. And then break the bank and pay the guy as well!

Is your front office planning on taking our front office for dinner date or perhaps a movie? Or are they going to go straight to the screwing?
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1st, 2nd AND WR..LOL. And then break the bank and pay the guy as well!

Is your front office planning on taking our front office for dinner date or perhaps a movie? Or are they going to go straight to the screwing?
Ahem...scotty, you can take this one.
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1st, 2nd AND WR..LOL. And then break the bank and pay the guy as well!

Is your front office planning on taking our front office for dinner date or perhaps a movie? Or are they going to go straight to the screwing?
It's not that bad when the Brown's have all the power in the deal. The Giants, with a first receiver, which Braylon would be, are a super bowl contender. No one expects the Browns to be good, so it would be smart for the Browns to ask for a lot knowing that Braylon could be the player that gets the Giants back to the super bowl. I just feel that the caliber of team the Giants are in this trade situation hurts them, because if they are really concerned with getting back to the championship they need a #1 receiver and Braylon is one of maybe a couple options. Now if the Browns are using my thought process, then they should demand a lot.
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Ahem...scotty, you can take this one.
I don't understand why Scotty would throw in a WR. Reese wants to use picks not players.

Scotty, have you go to BBI and read what Matt said? He is a proven insider and has been giving us the 411 as this drama has been unfolding.
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I don't understand why Scotty would throw in a WR. Reese wants to use picks not players.

Scotty, have you go to BBI and read what Matt said? He is a proven insider and has been giving us the 411 as this drama has been unfolding.
Just....let scotty tell you what that means.
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It's not that bad when the Brown's have all the power in the deal. The Giants, with a first receiver, which Braylon would be, are a super bowl contender. No one expects the Browns to be good, so it would be smart for the Browns to ask for a lot knowing that Braylon could be the player that gets the Giants back to the super bowl. I just feel that the caliber of team the Giants are in this trade situation hurts them, because if they are really concerned with getting back to the championship they need a #1 receiver and Braylon is one of maybe a couple options. Now if the Browns are using my thought process, then they should demand a lot.
Browns don't have all the power on this. If they had 2-4 other teams all wanting his services ok, then I can see that. It's a bidding war then. But it's us and them! lol. And they are a 4-12 team having a clearance sale. Everything must go, except for their franchise LT. Their new regime wants to stockpile picks so that their HC can put his stamp on the franchise. I get that, but they don't have all the leverage.

To say that is laughable, especially since their guy doesn't want to be in Cleveland in the first place. Now I undertand why they want alot, but as far, as leverage is concerned they don't have alot of it We can just walk away from the table and be fine with our 10 picks. Like I mentioned above, we are a running team, and we use our defense to get us where we want to go. Our defensive line now is stacked via free agency and osi comes back healthy. Plus our coaching staff has the whole offseason to adjust everything in terms of passing concepts now that Plax is gone.

We can just walk away and they are stuck with a guy who doesn't want to be there. Let them franchise him, and make him even more mad.
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