The Official Hip Hop Thread - Page 29

EvilNixon · 01-29-2010, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob S

MF DOOM should not be in the GOAT discussion. Saying he is your personal fav is perfectly fine, but GOAT is a huge stretch.

Greatest of All Time is an opinion.

Why would it be a stretch though? He's got the legendary discography(Madvilliany 1 & 2, MM Food,Operation: Doomsday)

EvilNixon · 01-29-2010, 09:57 PM

J.Cole is starting to become extremely overrated. Bland content and overly simplistic.

Rob S · 01-29-2010, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by EvilNixon

Greatest of All Time is an opinion.

Why would it be a stretch though? He's got the legendary discography(Madvilliany 1 & 2, MM Food,Operation: Doomsday)

I suppose GOAT is an opinion, but I dont think its really close between MF Doom and guys like Rakim, KRS, Pac, Nas, etc......

EvilNixon · 01-29-2010, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob S

I suppose GOAT is an opinion, but I dont think its really close between MF Doom and guys like Rakim, KRS, Pac, Nas, etc......

lmaoooo

Rakim is the father of modern ryhme schemes,but he doesn't have the discography. Pac is a better artist than actual rapper. He's only a hair above Gucci Mane in terms of actual rapping ability. KRS? *dead*,Dude was the Master P of his day.

Nas,most definitely is in the convo,and up until a few months ago,I thought he was the GOAT, but his upon review, I really think DOOM, Jay Electronica are better rappers, although they aren't as well known.

Rob S · 01-29-2010, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by EvilNixon

lmaoooo

Rakim is the father of modern ryhme schemes,but he doesn't have the discography. Pac is a better artist than actual rapper. He's only a hair above Gucci Mane in terms of actual rapping ability. KRS? *dead*,Dude was the Master P of his day.

Nas,most definitely is in the convo,and up until a few months ago,I thought he was the GOAT, but his upon review, I really think DOOM, Jay Electronica are better rappers, although they aren't as well known.

See, I think impact on hip hop as a whole is a major criteria to be the goat.....if nobody hears your music, I dont think you can be considered the greatest. Whether you were a commercial success or changed hip hop itself, that impact has to be there. Thats just me tho......and KRS was nasty, I have no idea what your listening to.

bored of education · 01-29-2010, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by EvilNixon

lmaoooo

Rakim is the father of modern ryhme schemes,but he doesn't have the discography. Pac is a better artist than actual rapper. He's only a hair above Gucci Mane in terms of actual rapping ability. KRS? *dead*,Dude was the Master P of his day.

Nas,most definitely is in the convo,and up until a few months ago,I thought he was the GOAT, but his upon review, I really think DOOM, Jay Electronica are better rappers, although they aren't as well known.

Whoa. Slow down youngster. Doom is one of my all time favorite emcees but I wouldn't consider him in the top 10 all time yet. He is not in the discussion, yet. To be considered in the conversation you don't need just a few good LPs. Doom's discography is very good yes. But the thing Doom doesn't have is the IT factor. The factor in which an emcee has done more than make music. They have a resounding influence on a generation of people who listend to them. Music is not enough to be considered in the discussion. Social influence is needed. Doom has yet to do that. He has a cult following yet hasa not had that influence.

Rob S · 01-29-2010, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by bored of education

Whoa. Slow down youngster. Doom is one of my all time favorite emcees but I wouldn't consider him in the top 10 all time yet. He is not in the discussion, yet. To be considered in the conversation you don't need just a few good LPs. Doom's discography is very good yes. But the thing Doom doesn't have is the IT factor. The factor in which an emcee has done more than make music. They have a resounding influence on a generation of people who listend to them. Music is not enough to be considered in the discussion. Social influence is needed. Doom has yet to do that. He has a cult following yet hasa not had that influence.

good to know someone agrees, I can always count on BOE!

YAYareaRB · 01-29-2010, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by EvilNixon

Pac is a better artist than actual rapper. He's only a hair above Gucci Mane in terms of actual rapping ability.

You gotta me ****** kidding me

EvilNixon · 01-29-2010, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by bored of education

Whoa. Slow down youngster. Doom is one of my all time favorite emcees but I wouldn't consider him in the top 10 all time yet. He is not in the discussion, yet. To be considered in the conversation you don't need just a few good LPs. Doom's discography is very good yes. But the thing Doom doesn't have is the IT factor. The factor in which an emcee has done more than make music. They have a resounding influence on a generation of people who listend to them. Music is not enough to be considered in the discussion. Social influence is needed. Doom has yet to do that. He has a cult following yet hasa not had that influence.

lol. What you said has nothing to do with actual rapping.

Lyricism
Flow
How you convey your words
Originality

DOOM is elite in all categories.

EvilNixon · 01-29-2010, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by YAYareaRB

You gotta me ****** kidding me

Pac was a great artist, but not a great rapper.

Rob S · 01-29-2010, 10:21 PM

But Pac made the general public feel such a wide range of emotions with his songs. Is the the best rapper in terms of the pure criteria, maybe not (although he smokes gucci), but not considering social impact in the GOAT debate is just dumb.

LTgiants · 01-29-2010, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by EvilNixon

Pac was a great artist, but not a great rapper.

You just compared 2pac to Gucci Mane that is pretty dumb.

bored of education · 01-29-2010, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by EvilNixon

lol. What you said has nothing to do with actual rapping.

Lyricism
Flow
How you convey your words
Originality

DOOM is elite in all categories.

actually it does. the influence the people in the GOAT discussion have that influence through there music. if were are talking RAPPERS that in itself is a different discussion.

nas v. doom in all time terms
Lyrics - Nas
Flow - nas
How you convey your words - Nas
Originalty - Nas

THis argument reminds me of that guy who thinks that because Kevin Durant could beat Jordan in a one on one game right now, that means he is greater all time than Jordan.

EvilNixon · 01-29-2010, 10:24 PM

Like I said,he's a fantastic artist. Easily up with the Beatles,Elvis,etc. in terms of music making,but he was a below average rapper. His music and subject matter made him great, not his ability to rap.

YAYareaRB · 01-29-2010, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by EvilNixon

ability to rap.

Define rap ability.

EvilNixon · 01-29-2010, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by bored of education

actually it does. the influence the people in the GOAT discussion have that influence through there music. if were are talking RAPPERS that in itself is a different discussion.

nas v. doom in all time terms
Lyrics - Nas
Flow - nas
How you convey your words - Nas
Originalty - Nas

THis argument reminds me of that guy who thinks that because Kevin Durant could beat Jordan in a one on one game right now, that means he is greater all time than Jordan.

Nas maybe lyrics, but flow? Nas is stagnant at times,and over rambles without delivering his words with concision. DOOM has the most unique rhyme schemes I've ever heard. His multis,delivery, voice control, all are superior to Nas.

Nas' delivery is piss poor at best.

Originality? Nas' greatest album was Illmatic, an album similar to the ones of his day. No one ***** with MM Food, Madvilliany,etc.

DOOM has been rapping longer than Nas. Your analogy doesn't fit.

EvilNixon · 01-29-2010, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by YAYareaRB

Define rap ability.

Flow
Lyricism
Delivery
Voice Control
Rhyme Scheme
Rhyme Set up

bored of education · 01-29-2010, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by EvilNixon

Nas maybe lyrics, but flow? Nas is stagnant at times,and over rambles without delivering his words with concision. DOOM has the most unique rhyme schemes I've ever heard. His multis,delivery, voice control, all are superior to Nas.

Nas' delivery is piss poor at best.

Originality? Nas' greatest album was Illmatic, an album similar to the ones of his day. No one ***** with MM Food, Madvilliany,etc.

DOOM has been rapping longer than Nas. Your analogy doesn't fit.

Nas been rapping since 90. Still rapping. Doom like89ish KMD style then went on like a 5 year brak in the 90s right?

EvilNixon · 01-29-2010, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by bored of education

Nas been rapping since 90. Still rapping.

DOOM has been rapping since the late 80s lol

bored of education · 01-29-2010, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by EvilNixon

DOOM has been rapping since the late 80s lol

yeah i know but the hiatus and lack of discography and what not. DOOM didnt become really dope til he came back from his hiatus
before it he was decent

YAYareaRB · 01-29-2010, 10:34 PM

I think Pac really shines in his more mellowed out thoughtful songs. I'm not really a fan of Doom, I can't pass judgement because I haven't listen to nearly enough of him to do so. But from what I have listened to, IMO, he's overrated.

EvilNixon · 01-29-2010, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by bored of education

yeah i know but the hiatus and lack of discography and what not. DOOM didnt become really dope til he came back from his hiatus
before it he was decent

His original stuff with KMD was torch fire lol,but he definitely got better with Operation: Doomsday and Madvilliany.

EvilNixon · 01-29-2010, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by YAYareaRB

I think Pac really shines in his more mellowed out thoughtful songs. I'm not really a fan of Doom, I can't pass judgement because I haven't listen to nearly enough of him to do so. But from what I have listened to, IMO, he's overrated.

Exactly. Pac made incredible songs. His music making ability is easily the best the genre has ever seen, but he was nowhere near a good rapper.

Why is he overrated?

bored of education · 01-29-2010, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by EvilNixon

His original stuff with KMD was torch fire lol,but he definitely got better with Operation: Doomsday and Madvilliany.

Yeah I really think he didnt hit his musical prowess until he came back from his hiatus.

EvilNixon · 01-29-2010, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by bored of education

Yeah I really think he didnt hit his musical prowess until he came back from his hiatus.

He got better as a technical rapper.

Rhyme schemes were original at the times, and his production got soo much better than the early stuff.