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Ancient Philosophy (Aristotle, Plato) 13 19.40%
Scholasticism (St. Thomas Aquinas) 3 4.48%
Renaissance Humanism (Thomas More, Erasmus) 1 1.49%
Rationalism (Descartes, Voltaire, Kant) 18 26.87%
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Existentialism (Kafka, Nietzsche) 7 10.45%
Post-Moderism/Structuralism (Derrida, Foucault, Nietzsche) 5 7.46%
Analytical Philosophy (Bertrand Russell, Wittgenstein) 1 1.49%
Structuralism (Levi-Strauss, Ferdinand de Saussure, Chomsky) 2 2.99%
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Old 05-06-2009, 12:36 PM    (permalink
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no its not. Nazi doesnt mean Antisemitist. A Jewish Antisemitist is an oxymoron. Jewish Nazi? not so much
Are you trying to say anit-semitism was not a part of the Nazi ideology? That is false.
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Are you trying to say anit-semitism was not a part of the Nazi ideology? That is false.
It was not the main idea. just looking at the Neo Nazis, they dont even care about antisemitism. they only care about the germany to be strong. As long as the Jew serves the German "Vaterland" they are fine. Why do u think they were anti semitist? because they had the idea they were a threat to the state from the inside. They couldnt care less if america got all those immigrated jews. There was a reason for them they hated jews. they didnt hate them cause there were just there.

I mean most of the Jews were German Nationalists. they endorsed Hitlers ideas. obviously up until the point he promoted killing enemies of the state like jews and communists, but they supported his ideas up to that point. u wanna tell me the people in the NSDAP werent nazis up till the point they killed jews? killing jews and antisemitism doesnt define a nazi. the German nationalism does.
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It was not the main idea. just looking at the Neo Nazis, they dont even care about antisemitism. they only care about the germany to be strong. As long as the Jew serves the German "Vaterland" they are fine. Why do u think they were anti semitist? because they had the idea they were a threat to the state from the inside. They couldnt care less if america got all those immigrated jews. There was a reason for them they hated jews. they didnt hate them cause there were just there.

I mean most of the Jews were German Nationalists. they endorsed Hitlers ideas. obviously up until the point he promoted killing enemies of the state like jews and communists, but they supported his ideas up to that point. u wanna tell me the people in the NSDAP werent nazis up till the point they killed jews? killing jews and antisemitism doesnt define a nazi. the German nationalism does.
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cause they werent allowed to join the NSDAP, does that mean no one agreed with them?
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cause they werent allowed to join the NSDAP, does that mean no one agreed with them?
What are you talking about?
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Jews werent allowed to join the NSDAP.

Being a Jew and being a German doesnt really contradict each other.

Being someone who hates jews doesnt make you a nazi. To be a nazi there were so many more factors. Like i said the most important one is to put Germany as a whole above ur personal needs and try to make it the most powerful country as its calling was supposed to be. Just because a Jew wouldnt 100% agree with the views the nazis had but all the other ones, do u think he wouldnt qualify as a nazi?

like i said, there are enough Nazis in germany, that could care less if u are a jew or not as long as u arent a lazy leech of society trying to put ur personal gain above the gain of the country
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Jews werent allowed to join the NSDAP.

Being a Jew and being a German doesnt really contradict each other.

Being someone who hates jews doesnt make you a nazi. To be a nazi there were so many more factors. Like i said the most important one is to put Germany as a whole above ur personal needs and try to make it the most powerful country as its calling was supposed to be. Just because a Jew wouldnt 100% agree with the views the nazis had but all the other ones, do u think he wouldnt qualify as a nazi?

like i said, there are enough Nazis in germany, that could care less if u are a jew or not as long as u arent a lazy leech of society trying to put ur personal gain above the gain of the country
You really have no clue what you're talking about. I think that much is evident now.
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You really have no clue what you're talking about. I think that much is evident now.
u actually have no idea whatsoever. defining a Nazi with just being a Jew hater is not right at all.

seriously though, get a clue. u really thinking living in germany doesnt give me at least an idea of what i am talking about?

but i mean yea u obviously have a clue. ur right, everyone else is wrong.

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The point is there is no such thing as a Jewish Nazi. It's an oxymoron. It would be like a black man becoming a white supremacist.
You make it sound like they only hated jews...it's not like they didn't go out and kill political adversaries, roma, the hadicapped, ****, anyone who Hitler found a threat.
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You make it sound like they only hated jews...it's not like they didn't go out and kill political adversaries, roma, the hadicapped, ****, anyone who Hitler found a threat.
nope, they only hated jews.

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nope, they only hated jews.

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Not true, where Hitler's Nazi regime was focused primarily on the Jews, they had a hatred for many non-German cultures. Check out Destined To Witness: Growing Up Black in Nazi Germany by Hans J. Massaquoi
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U are really good at picking up sarcasm


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Where did I ever say that? I was arguing that Gay Ork Wang's views that many Jews agreed with everything Hitler said was completely false.
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Where did I ever say that? I was arguing that Gay Ork Wang's views that many Jews agreed with everything Hitler said was completely false.
i never said they agreed with everything hitler said. ever. I said they were enough that supported about 90% of the things he said. for me, that qualifies as a nazi.
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i never said they agreed with everything hitler said. ever. I said they were enough that supported about 90% of the things he said. for me, that qualifies as a nazi.
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well i think i chose my words wrong then lol. i apologize. i mean they agreed with everything Hitler said besides killing jews
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actually i think u meant the Einsatzgruppen. i was kinda sleepy when i answered the other thing, i dont think there were Einsatzjuden
No I did that on purpose. I know what Einsatzgruppen are, I wanted to bring the term Juden with it because it would be a jewish Nazi. bad joke and I don't know German.

Also the Nazis persecuted much more than the hebrews, they killed millions of opposition political groups, disabled, and other minorities like Gypsies.
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I love that we have a Canadian arguing with a German about Nazism.
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Keep in mind though Hitler was very deceptive in his approach from 1933 through 1939 when he annexed Austria. Hell the guy even had Time Magazine fooled - he was named their 1938 Man of the Year.
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Keep in mind though Hitler was very deceptive in his approach from 1933 through 1939 when he annexed Austria. Hell the guy even had Time Magazine fooled - he was named their 1938 Man of the Year.
Meh, One could argue that but I tend to think politicans in Europe just wanted to stay away from conflict. There were some ( Churchill) who were well aware of his shannagians before he went into Austria. People saw what they wanted to see, and that wasn't another war.

Hell, he wrote Mein Kampft and made his ideals public well before 1933.
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