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Ancient Philosophy (Aristotle, Plato) 13 19.40%
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Renaissance Humanism (Thomas More, Erasmus) 1 1.49%
Rationalism (Descartes, Voltaire, Kant) 18 26.87%
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Existentialism (Kafka, Nietzsche) 7 10.45%
Post-Moderism/Structuralism (Derrida, Foucault, Nietzsche) 5 7.46%
Analytical Philosophy (Bertrand Russell, Wittgenstein) 1 1.49%
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well i think i chose my words wrong then lol. i apologize. i mean they agreed with everything Hitler said besides killing jews
So they weren't Nazis...
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I think a lot of people forget how strong of a ruler Hitler was...he didn't just come out of nowhere and start slaughtering people. He was elected chancellor as part of the National German Workers Party, which was the Nazis if I'm not mistaken. There were lots of jews in Germany when he was elected, so I'm sure there were plenty of Nazi jews at the start.
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Meh, One could argue that but I tend to think politicans in Europe just wanted to stay away from conflict. There were some ( Churchill) who were well aware of his shannagians before he went into Austria. People saw what they wanted to see, and that wasn't another war.

Hell, he wrote Mein Kampft and made his ideals public well before 1933.
yea, they just didnt want to start another way just right after WW I. thats why they gave him the Sudetenland in the munich agreement
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So they weren't Nazis...
and thats where u are wrong.

do u need to agree 100% with the Republican Party to be a republican?
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Meh, One could argue that but I tend to think politicans in Europe just wanted to stay away from conflict. There were some ( Churchill) who were well aware of his shannagians before he went into Austria. People saw what they wanted to see, and that wasn't another war.

Hell, he wrote Mein Kampft and made his ideals public well before 1933.
Yeah but Time magazine wasn't written by European politicians.

That is very true however. Churchill in return from Germany in 1938 (I think) was quoted as saying "There will be peace in our time." The next summer, Hitler rumbled through to Austria and Europe pretty much excused it saying "Well, he was born there, we understand."
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and thats where u are wrong.

do u need to agree 100% with the Republican Party to be a republican?
No, but if the Republicans said that Jews weren't citizens, they couldn't hold office, they couldn't live in America, and they could only be fed if every citizen already had been fed, how many Jews would be Republicans?

Zero.
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He didnt specifically say jews cant. he said only germans could. there were jews that were german
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If a politician said that about African-Americans and former slaves, would any one agree? Oh wait, they did. Take into account the time.
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For the record, the The Nuremberg Race Laws of 1935 pretty much let Jews know Hitler was out to get them. Prior to that, I'm gonna say Hitler pretty much had a great number of people, to include the German-Jewish community, fooled.
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He didnt specifically say jews cant. he said only germans could. there were jews that were german
You are wrong and I have already posted why. Either you didn't read it or didn't understand.

Read the Program of the National Socialist German Workers' Party.

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god, u dont understand.

There were Germans, that were jews. and vice versa. There were Jews, that were also german! NO WAI! YES WAI! The one thing actually doesnt exclude the others. There is not a single word about jews in there.

until u understand that, im too lazy to argue with you
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For the record, the The Nuremberg Race Laws of 1935 pretty much let Jews know Hitler was out to get them. Prior to that, I'm gonna say Hitler pretty much had a great number of people, to include the German-Jewish community, fooled.
yes. and i still believe that there are jews nowadays believing in the whole nationalist part of hitlers idea.
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For the record, the The Nuremberg Race Laws of 1935 pretty much let Jews know Hitler was out to get them. Prior to that, I'm gonna say Hitler pretty much had a great number of people, to include the German-Jewish community, fooled.
That's what I was trying to say...there were plenty of Jews that probably voted for him and supported him in office.
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god, u dont understand.

There were Germans, that were jews. and vice versa. There were Jews, that were also german! NO WAI! YES WAI! The one thing actually doesnt exclude the others. There is not a single word about jews in there.

until u understand that, im too lazy to argue with you
The whole point is that Hitler didn't believe Jews were German citizens!

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oops, overread that.

but not being part of the party, doesnt mean u could believe in the other stuff.
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oops, overread that.

but not being part of the party, doesnt mean u could believe in the other stuff.
So maybe instead of just posting as quickly as possible and attacking me, you should actually READ.

Your second sentence makes no sense.
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http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar...nurem-laws.htm

Look at the chart to see if they were considered Jews or not.

I guess the question is, "What if you had no Jewish grandparents or parents?"
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Your second sentence makes no sense.
Yes it does, you can agree with German nationalism like the Nazis did and not care for their handling of the Jewish populations. Many in the military didnt give a crap about Jews, they were imperialistic in their views.
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So maybe instead of just posting as quickly as possible and attacking me, you should actually READ.

Your second sentence makes no sense.
it actually does. they could still believe in the **** hitler said about making the Germany stronger and so on.

how many of those guys actually saw them selfs mainly as jews.

besides, what do u think, how many people read the program.
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While the Nuremberg laws went a good way into classifying and distinguishing jews from the rest of the populace, there was still far from a set out plan to off all the Jews. There had been plans to move them to Israel, Madagascar, Ghetto, or just simple make them leave. It was not until Jan 1942 that the " final solution" was reached by Heydrich, Eichman, and others. It was never a sought out plan to kill them systematically before this. That's what many people don't understand, the decision to wipe them out was not the full intention all along.
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it actually does. they could still believe in the **** hitler said about making the Germany stronger and so on.

how many of those guys actually saw them selfs mainly as jews.

besides, what do u think, how many people read the program.
You can't just forgo a HUGE part of the Nazi ideal and then say you're a Nazi. You might believe part of what the Nazis believe, but you wouldn't identify yourself as a Nazi if they are persecuting the very group you are a part of.

How many read the program? I have no clue, but it's generally a good idea to know what the party you're voting for is about before filling in your ballot...
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You can't just forgo a HUGE part of the Nazi ideal and then say you're a Nazi. You might believe part of what the Nazis believe, but you wouldn't identify yourself as a Nazi if they are persecuting the very group you are a part of.

How many read the program? I have no clue, but it's generally a good idea to know what the party you're voting for is about before filling in your ballot...
So a person from the states couldn't be a member of a certain political party because they don't agree with one of their controversial policies...?
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this is really tl;dr.

seriously. on philosophy folks...

rational existentialism was the joke... the question was: what was your favorite philosopher(s). and grouped them together.

i enjoy myself some rationalistas... but, also have a soft spot with some existentialist, analphilo, and aquinas... i guess the question would have been better posed "who do you identify yourself closest to" in order to bring out the best/worst in everyone.
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log cabin republicans.
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