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Old 05-04-2009, 10:34 AM    (permalink
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I think for him to get in, he needs more than a couple solid years. I don't think the status quo for McNabb is Hall of Fame worthy, even if he stays at that level for 5 more years. I think he needs to up his game quite a bit to become a Hall of Famer.
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Mobile QBs was never an era... it's a fad that comes and goes.

When it comes down to the eyeball test for McNabb, he's not a Hall of Famer.
I think it's funny you call it a "fad." It isn't an era because there aren't enough QB's who can run and pass. Mcnabb is one of the few who could do that. You'd be lucky to get more than 3 QB's a decade with the type of mobility and arm combination Mcnabb possesses.
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I think it's funny you call it a "fad." It isn't an era because there aren't enough QB's who can run and pass. Mcnabb is one of the few who could do that. You'd be lucky to get more than 3 QB's a decade with the type of mobility and arm combination Mcnabb possesses.
It's a fad because everytime a team finds someone successful at it ie Randall Cunningham or Michael Vick, teams, fans, and the media start looking for QBs who can run as opposed to just looking for QBs.

You're right... very few players can do it, but that has not stopped the hysteria from taking over the league from time to time.

By the way, how much does McNabb really run anymore? It seems like he's almost a pure pocket passer at this point.
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I think he should be. McNabb has done way more for his team than most QBs. His problem is that he team hasn't done much for him. How many years have we heard the same thing about the Eagles? It's always,"Man if they can get Donovan some weapons the Eagles can be a Super Bowl contender." Even with that Donovan has kept the Eagles afloat in many years when he didn't have much on the Eagles offense. Westbrook is fine and dandy, but you need more than him. Donovan's only problem is his team. If Donovan played on a team with a better O, and a solid D he would've had his ring by now.

If you ask me Donovan McNabb is leaps and bounds the quarterback that Ben Roethlisberger is, but people are putting Ben in already. I'm no Big Ben basher. I like that guy alot, but just because he had a great drive in the Super Bowl doesn't mean he's a Hall of Famer. If that's the case then Larry Brown should be a HoF corner. Big Ben struggled mightily all last season, and I think he even held the Steelers back last year at times. Maybe he'll step his game up to be considered a Hof since he's still really young, but right now he's just a decent bus driver with an all time great defense. If Donovan played for the Steelers they would have done the same thing. The difference would be that their offense wouldn't have been a burden until the playoffs. You can make the exact same argument for other Super Bowl winning teams of recent. Put Donovan on the Giants, Colts, Patriots, Bucs, and Ravens, and they'll still win the Super Bowl. Donovan is about as good as you can get at the quarterback position. He shouldn't miss the Hall because of his team. Plus someone also mentioned Jim Kelly early on in this thread. They've both had about the same amount of success, and there's no doubt that Jim's team was better than Donovan's.
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The excuse I hear whenever people talk about potential HOF guys from the Jaguars is "It's the Hall of Fame, not the Hall of Very Good".
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The excuse I hear whenever people talk about potential HOF guys from the Jaguars is "It's the Hall of Fame, not the Hall of Very Good".
your point, nobody should get in as long as no jaguars have proven worthy?
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Just pointed that out. I'm not sure who the other 5 are but I would guess Cunningham, Elway, Young, two others lol. Pretty solid group off the top of my head.
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Just pointed that out. I'm not sure who the other 5 are but I would guess Cunningham, Elway, Young, two others lol. Pretty solid group off the top of my head.
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Meh, I don't think so. He gets hurt a lot, has thrown over 30 TDs once, and over 20 only 4. Never won a ring, never won an MVP...
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That's pretty damn impressive for being hurt a lot.

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At a certain point you have to look past the lack of rings and awards. It's not like he hasn't come close at all. He got the the NFCCG six times! SIX! And he finished second to Faulk (Future HOF) one year.
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Like I said, the difference between McNabb and Jim Kelly is not all that much...
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your point, nobody should get in as long as no jaguars have proven worthy?
Reading comprehension. McNabb, like the best Jaguars so far, is just very good.

The Hall of Fame isn't a place for players that are only very good.
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Reading comprehension. McNabb, like the best Jaguars so far, is just very good.

The Hall of Fame isn't a place for players that are only very good.
how about some comprehensive writing from your side as well. I couldn't honestly tell if you were complaining about people disregarding the Jags or claiming McNabb was just very good.
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If you think McNabb is just very good, what is your prototype for a HOF QB?
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A championship would definitely help, but I still believe with a few more years of good production for McNabb and he should warrant serious consideration. He most likely won't be a first ballot hall of famer, but I could see him getting in one day.
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Also, McNabb fails the snap decision test, which goes something like this.

"Does Donovin McNabb deserve a spot in Canton?"

If you can't decisively say "yes" within three seconds, he's only borderline at best. And I doubt anyone can decisively answer yes to that question without convincing themselves first.
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Well, my minimum prereq is that the quarterback has to have been arguably the best in the NFL for some period of time.

And I can't convince myself that McNabb has ever been better then either Peyton Manning or, since 2003, Tom Brady.
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Also, McNabb fails the snap decision test, which goes something like this.

"Does Donovin McNabb deserve a spot in Canton?"

If you can't decisively say "yes" within three seconds, he's only borderline at best. And I doubt anyone can decisively answer yes to that question without convincing themselves first.
It's because we're bringing up the topic before his career is over leaving much more to be desired because of his past accomplishments. If his career ended today, he wouldn't be in atleast for a long while if at all. We're talking about 5 years down the road with solid production. By then I dont think you can argue against a QB that has played for 14 years with at the very least 6 NFCCG appearences. I'm not sure you know how rare/difficult that is since we've been spoiled with the Bradys, Aikmans, Youngs in recent history. I almost want to go as far as bringing in Elway and Favre. All of this guys are sure fire hall of famers that I mentioned and I think subconciously we're comparing McNabb to them.
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Well, my minimum prereq is that the quarterback has to have been arguably the best in the NFL for some period of time.

And I can't convince myself that McNabb has ever been better then either Peyton Manning or, since 2003, Tom Brady.
See post above.
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It's a fad because everytime a team finds someone successful at it ie Randall Cunningham or Michael Vick, teams, fans, and the media start looking for QBs who can run as opposed to just looking for QBs.

You're right... very few players can do it, but that has not stopped the hysteria from taking over the league from time to time.

By the way, how much does McNabb really run anymore? It seems like he's almost a pure pocket passer at this point.
McNabb has lost a bit of his mobility due to injuries and scheme, but when he was younger, he was a legitimate dual threat QB. I do think that the influence he had on the game will assist him in getting in. That Eagles team is perpetually good, and now that he has some legit weapons down there, probably better then he has ever had, I can see him having a few big years.

For me, another question I ask myself when considering McNabb is "Is he a franchise QB? Has be provided his team with 10 years of great play?" The answer to that is yes. So for 10 years, Philly hasnt had to re-evaluate their situation at QB...I think McNabb gets in eventually. There are worse players in the HoF then McNabb.
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McNabb has lost a bit of his mobility due to injuries and scheme, but when he was younger, he was a legitimate dual threat QB. I do think that the influence he had on the game will assist him in getting in. That Eagles team is perpetually good, and now that he has some legit weapons down there, probably better then he has ever had, I can see him having a few big years.

For me, another question I ask myself when considering McNabb is "Is he a franchise QB? Has be provided his team with 10 years of great play?" The answer to that is yes. So for 10 years, Philly hasnt had to re-evaluate their situation at QB...I think McNabb gets in eventually. There are worse players in the HoF then McNabb.
If the basis of getting in is being better than some of the people in there, then open up the floodgates, because there are a ton of players who have been better than Joe Namath and Lynn Swann.
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We had this debate a long time ago I couldn't find the thread though...

My basic argument on why McNabb isn't a HOF QB
In the modern Era only 3 QBs have not been either a SB winning QB (or pre SB equivalent) nor a League MVP.

Jim Kelly - 5 Time Pro Bowler, 4 Consecutive SB appearances.

Warren Moon - 9 Time Pro Bowl selection

Sonny JURGENSEN - 5 time Pro Bowler 3 time NFL passing leader probably the best argument for McNabb (stats wise) assuming McNabb has 2-3 Good seasons left.


McNabb - 5x Pro Bowl 1 SB appearance.
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Since I don't ever see McNabb winning a Super Bowl - no.

McNabb is an underachiever, there is no place in the Hall for underachievers.
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Since I don't ever see McNabb winning a Super Bowl - no.

McNabb is an underachiever, there is no place in the Hall for underachievers.
Really? You deserved to be neg repped.
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of the current veteran qb's brady and manning are the only two players who are HOF bound to me
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