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Old 07-14-2009, 09:36 PM    (permalink
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You have unreasonably high expectations of a hall of famer. Because he is not the best ever he should not go into the hall of fame?

Breaking news, not everyone in the hall is the best ever. I mean look at Joe Namath, Terry Bradshaw, Bob Griese, Troy Aikman etc. etc. there are plenty of guys who are not the GOAT in the HOF.
My expectations to be a HOFer is that you must accomplish something. If you go to the Pro Football HOF website they have a page for each inductee and why they are there. What I want is why is McNabb there? Is his stat line really that good? If you could write a page full of McNabb's accomplishments in the league then we'd have something to talk about, Personally I'd say you don't have to be the best ever but you have to be one of the best amongst your peers. I mean is Drew Brees going to be a HOFer?
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No Drew is not and McNabb has much better stats than him. Brees was completely slightly above average until he got to the Saints where that pass happy offense made him explode.

McNabb's statline is also MUCH better than Drew's.
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So stats matter, but only when it benefits your argument? McNabb and Simm's stats will not be close when McNabb is on his 14th season (assuming he plays that long).

To me, Phil Simms was a great QB. But McNabb is an even better QB. It's kind of a shame that he might actually miss the HoF because of his lack of rings.

(note: not advocating that McNabb is already HoF material. But if his resume continues on the track, I can't see how you would keep this guy out.)
Better QB? Based on what? Stats? What about the superbowl rings that go with Simms? How about winning big games first of all? Stats are all well and good but win a big game. Unless McNabb really starts churning out stats I don't think he is a hall of famer. If there was a Hall of very good, he'd be in. Rings are important to get in UNLESS.... You have sick, sick stats like a Marino. Look at Aikeman, he doesn't have amazing stats but the 3 rings will got him in. He is a great QB, but still rings do add a punch to it.
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No Drew is not and McNabb has much better stats than him. Brees was completely slightly above average until he got to the Saints where that pass happy offense made him explode.

McNabb's statline is also MUCH better than Drew's.
If Drew Brees continues his level of play, or at least close to it, he will shatter McNabbs Statline.

Drew Brees 168 TDs 99 INTs
Donovan McNabb 194 TDs 90 INTs

Brees is 2 years younger, he is only behind McNabb 3000 yards when it comes to passing. Barring injury Brees will have much better stats than McNabb other than INTs but Brees won't get in either.

Not to mention other stats like
Completion % Brees 64 Mcnabb 59
Passer Rating Brees 89.4 McNabb 85.9

Drew Brees only has two more ATTs per game than McNabb. Brees 34 McNabb 32.

If McNabb is being considered for the HoF so should Brees.
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Mcnabb never really had a true #1 besides T.O. and that relationship was rocky but he is a hall of famer in my book and he was always a competitor and could hold his own
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Mcnabb never really had a true #1 besides T.O. and that relationship was rocky but he is a hall of famer in my book and he was always a competitor and could hold his own
Brees had the Saints as a #1 offense, with Lance Moore, as his #1 receiver... Lance Moore.
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Brees had the Saints as a #1 offense, with Lance Moore, as his #1 receiver... Lance Moore.
Brees is used to a more pass heavy offense anyway and im not taking anything away from Brees
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Drew Brees has not touched the type of success that McNabb has had. End of story. Drew Brees can't even get his team in the playoffs while McNabb has led his to 5 NFC Championship games and 1 superbowl.
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Drew Brees has not touched the type of success that McNabb has had. End of story. Drew Brees can't even get his team in the playoffs while McNabb has led his to 5 NFC Championship games and 1 superbowl.
Stop. Please. "Making it" to games doesn't ******* matter. Winning them does. Neither of them have won a damn thing.
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McNabb is a Fat choker overthrowing unnecessarily hard passer with the accuracy of a one eyed autistic man and has the intelligence and decision making skills of a dirty pair of socks.



I'm an Eagles fan.
Isn't this pathetic?
I've loved this team for so long and followed them for so long knowing every player, size of player(no ****), and history and college of the players on this team.
For so long now I've cared to much and I'm always let down and dissapointed and crushed with this team.. And I relize How dumb Lurie is, how annoying Reid is (who could have been somebody if he didn't have a stupid pass pass pass mentality) and how much of a overated asshole McNabb is
I know several Eagles fans and you sir, you are definitely an Eagles fan.

Breesy has a shot but he probably needs to win a Super Bowl. He's had a lot of success but only one playoff win. Definitely has plenty of time left though.
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Honestly, I'd say no. He has been good, yes.
However, his stat sheet will look impressive if he can muster up some more 3000+ yard passing and 20+ TD seasons.
Retiring with 40,000 yards and 250+ TD's will be hard to overlook.
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I'm an Eagles fan.
Isn't this pathetic?
I've loved this team for so long and followed them for so long knowing every player, size of player(no ****), and history and college of the players on this team.
For so long now I've cared to much and I'm always let down and dissapointed and crushed with this team.. And I relize How dumb Lurie is, how annoying Reid is (who could have been somebody if he didn't have a stupid pass pass pass mentality) and how much of a overated asshole McNabb is
You can't call yourself an Eagles fan and say this ****. Either that, or you have no idea what you're talking about and listen to WIP to get your football information.

How can you always be let down and disappointed with the Eagles? Sure, they're a roller-coaster ride, but you cannot say that they pulled a great playoff run out of their ass last year. They proved a lot of people wrong, and with the help of the Raiders beating the Buccaneers, got into the playoffs and went far.

You want to call Lurie dumb, cheap, or whatever, but it makes you look stupid because he is none of those things. Joe Banner was in an interview one time and someone asked a question along the lines of the Eagles being cheap. Banner came right back at them with some stat about the Eagles spending the 2nd most money since 2000, being behind the Patriots.

Andy Reid can have that "pass pass pass" mentality, but its no coincidence that Westbrook was injured last year.

I bet you also think the Eagles would be better off without McNabb, right? Well you would be absolutely wrong. He is a leader of this team and has proven he can win, regardless of talent around him.
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I bet you also think the Eagles would be better off without McNabb, right? Well you would be absolutely wrong. He is a leader of this team and has proven he can win, regardless of talent around him.
Well depends on what would be put in place of McNabb. Even I the biggest McNabb hater on the board doesn't think that the Eagles should outright cut him. Now if they could get a first and a second round pick for him or another star and an average young QB out of the deal. Maybe.
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Well depends on what would be put in place of McNabb. Even I the biggest McNabb hater on the board doesn't think that the Eagles should outright cut him. Now if they could get a first and a second round pick for him or another star and an average young QB out of the deal. Maybe.
There's no ******* way any team would give up a 1/2 or a star/young QB for a mid-30s QB with an injury history like McNabb's.

I love the people in Philly who think Kolb or Feeley should start ahead of #5. Cracks me up.
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I love the people in Philly who think Kolb or Feeley should start ahead of #5. Cracks me up.
LAMO, and Jon Kitna or Brad Johnson should start over Romo.
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There's no ******* way any team would give up a 1/2 or a star/young QB for a mid-30s QB with an injury history like McNabb's.

I love the people in Philly who think Kolb or Feeley should start ahead of #5. Cracks me up.
I know we wouldnt get a 1 & 2, but I think you underestimate the market McNabb would have if he was on the trade block.
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LAMO, and Jon Kitna or Brad Johnson should start over Romo.
I wouldn't sleep on Kitna. I think he is an underrated QB not great by any standards but very good.
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I know we wouldnt get a 1 & 2, but I think you underestimate the market McNabb would have if he was on the trade block.
I am sure people would want him, but I doubt they break the bank and trade top picks for a guy in his 30s, who has his injury history. Not to mention he would have to learn a whole new offense, unless he goes to another WCO system.
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I am not huge on projecting futures years for players so as of now neither McNabb nor Brees are HOF worthy. Both have a lot of work to be done.
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I am sure people would want him, but I doubt they break the bank and trade top picks for a guy in his 30s, who has his injury history. Not to mention he would have to learn a whole new offense, unless he goes to another WCO system.
Minnesota, Houston, and St. Louis would probably all be very interested.
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Minnesota, Houston, and St. Louis would probably all be very interested.
Why would Houston be very interested?
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Why would Houston be very interested?
I'm not a fan of Matt Schaub at all. Probably me just hoping they upgrade.
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I'm not a fan of Matt Schaub at all. Probably me just hoping they upgrade.
I know passer rating isn't the best statistic, but Schaub had an 92 last year to McNabb's 86 and he was sacked way more often. I think Schaub is going to be more than serviceable for a while and I really don't think Kubiak is going to be looking for a replacement anytime soon.
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Drew Brees has not touched the type of success that McNabb has had. End of story. Drew Brees can't even get his team in the playoffs while McNabb has led his to 5 NFC Championship games and 1 superbowl.
How can you attribute all the Eagles' success as a team to McNabb? I can understand offense, but how far the team goes in the playoffs? Look at the defensive rankings for those teams:

2008: #4 PPG, #3 YPG
2004 (SB): #2 PPG, #10 YPG
2003: #7 PPG, #20 YPG
2002: #2 PPG, #4 YPG
2001: #2 PPG, #7 YPG

These are the defenses that Drew Brees has had since his comeback:

2008: #26 PPG, #23 YPG
2007: #25 PPG, #26 YPG
2006*: #13 PPG, #11 YPG (surprisingly good defense)
2005: #13 PPG, #13 YPG
2004*: #11 PPG, #18 YPG

* = Playoffs

I think it is just unfair to compare how their teams do in the playoffs when McNabb is blessed with a perennial top 10 defense. If somehow Brees can win a ring or two and McNabb around the same, I would think that Brees could make a case to get in the Hall over McNabb, especially considering the current statistical output in their careers. McNabb may put up some nice numbers in the next couple of years with his new weapons, but Brees is a machine and will put up gaudy statistics year in year out for another 5 years at least (maybe up to 10). Brees is 30 years old and relies on timing and accuracy in his passes; he could be playing for a while.

In fact, what do people think of Drew Brees' chance into the Hall of Fame? Would he go in with a ring (maybe 2) and another 7-8 years of domination? I don't see a reason for him to slow down, except maybe a more balanced attack (and we all know that isn't happening with Reggie Bush in town...).
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