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Old 04-19-2010, 06:17 PM    (permalink
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I'm not a big fan of JPP at all, but he's your classic boom bust guy that will be a 15 sack guy or never see the field. That said, seeing how much he's been linked to you guys you can't help but think he'd pan out in NY with the recent success of the D-line and some of the guys he would be playing alongside.


I'd still want to grab a DT in the 2nd if possible to free some of those guys up, but it will be interesting if you guys grab JPP. I'd easily trade Osi if you can get an early 2nd, he's just not the same since injury and you could get another player to help alot more in the trenches.
I love Osi, but if he's not healthy, and the rumors of St. Louis wanting to give up their 2nd for him is true, then that would be an absolute steal for us.

I do personally feel he's going to have a bounceback year, but if the team is willing to move him, thats a redflag that he's probably never going to be the same with his injury.

The hard pill to swallow with JPP is knowing that he'll pretty much be redshirted his rookie year. Its probably good for him, he needs to be developed slowly, but at the same time I'm greedy with 1st round picks. I want them to see the field sooner rather than later.
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BBD, just imagine all the value we'd be offered at pick #33 to start a new day for the second round. I'd go far enough to say that with the new system #33 is maybe just as valued as the late twenties.
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BBD, just imagine all the value we'd be offered at pick #33 to start a new day for the second round. I'd go far enough to say that with the new system #33 is maybe just as valued as the late twenties.
if this all does go down, we can probably nab a 2nd and 3rd out of the pick.

or if we really like a guy in the 2nd, just stand pat and take him.

or trade for Haynesworth :) lol, yeah right. i'm still dreaming on that one.


one of these 1st round prospects (if not several) will fall. theres just no way all these guys rated as 1st round guys can be taken in the 1st, so we're going to have a quality guy fall in our lap if this does go down.
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if this all does go down, we can probably nab a 2nd and 3rd out of the pick.

or if we really like a guy in the 2nd, just stand pat and take him.

or trade for Haynesworth :) lol, yeah right. i'm still dreaming on that one.


one of these 1st round prospects (if not several) will fall. theres just no way all these guys rated as 1st round guys can be taken in the 1st, so we're going to have a quality guy fall in our lap if this does go down.
precisely, although Jerry Reese said that they've had all the time they need to evaluate, things do change, especially with the making of our first pick.

having one first, two seconds, and two thirds (all probably early half of the rounds) is just ridiculously good. Imagine how many improvements we could do to our OL.

1. Jason Pierre-Paul DE
2a. Lamar Houston DT
2b. Darryl Washington OLB/ILB
3a. Jon Asamoah OG
3b. Navarro Bowman OLB
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I'd just like to mention, that once we hit the 4th round, I'd have no problem taking a chance on Spikes, slow forty time and all. Also would not mind Selvie come round 5 as well.
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I'd just like to mention, that once we hit the 4th round, I'd have no problem taking a chance on Spikes, slow forty time and all. Also would not mind Selvie come round 5 as well.
Those are definitely the kinds of players you look for at that stage of the game. I think Spikes will be gone in Round 3 though.
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Spikes is probably going to be gone in round 3, maybe even round 2. But he should be there with our 3rd round pick. I wouldn't mind it, I still think he's going to be a good player.

I rather gamble on Greg Hardy than George Selvie quite honestly. Hardy should be there in the 4th. Taking Spikes and Hardy though are 2 big boom or bust selections that could either make us look like geniuses or blow up in our face.
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1. Jason Pierre-Paul DE
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in the first few rounds
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http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/fo...ade_talks.html

THANK GOODNESS! <33333

so really, if we pass on jpp at 15, or he's gone (pleasssse be that), then it looks like he'll stay 99%. let's just grab an OT,DT,orLB and move on with our draft
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I'm treating Osi the same way I did with Shockey. If we trade him, great. If we dont....great.

We're in a win/win situation. I don't mind keeping him at all, I think he's a hell of a player who should have a bounce back year. But at the same time, if we move him for the Rams' 2nd, I wouldn't mind that either. Thats incredible value, and we can make do without him if we draft well.

So I'm fine either way.
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I'm treating Osi the same way I did with Shockey. If we trade him, great. If we dont....great.

We're in a win/win situation. I don't mind keeping him at all, I think he's a hell of a player who should have a bounce back year. But at the same time, if we move him for the Rams' 2nd, I wouldn't mind that either. Thats incredible value, and we can make do without him if we draft well.

So I'm fine either way.
Exactly, and this is a strong enough DE draft that if we have to replace Osi I think we can do it, be it with JPP, Graham or a guy like HArdy later.
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NO JPP! HE IS VERNON GHOLSTON! I DO NOT WANT HIM!
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Vernon Gholston was better than JPP.
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I'm with Scotty on JPP as you know. He screams bust to me. I saw him play a good amount last year and he didn't impress me that much. Anthony Davis pretty much shut him down the whole game.
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You guys really see Spikes as a 3rd rounder? We have seen better players drop further then expected, and he seems more 4th/5th round range.


I'm still surprised you guys would want him in round 3, he seems like he'd only be great as a Thumper in a 3-4 which is why I want him paired up inside with Jason Williams to have our middle set for the future, so we have a speed guy to counter him with.


Seems like he'd get exposed more in a 4-3. I really really hope Dallas finds a way to get him though, we still need to see what Jason Williams can do this year but his potential is through the roof and his workout numbers were like a WR. We just need a guy to clean up the mess in the middle and Spikes fits the ball.


I'd still be a little concerned spending a 3rd, I'm wanting him with our late 4th or it may be a little too soon for me.
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i was actually thinking the same thing. i just don't get the jpp hype. cool, he's a good athlete. like, that's it. i just pray we don't pick him. it'd be the worst thing ever.
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I don't remember JPP playing the run at all either.
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i was actually thinking the same thing. i just don't get the jpp hype. cool, he's a good athlete. like, that's it. i just pray we don't pick him. it'd be the worst thing ever.
JPP's motor is about 10 million times better than Vernon Gholston's, though. Gholston was just more refined and developed than JPP.

If JPP busts it won't be due to lack of trying on the field. That much you can say.
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What are your guys' thoughts on taking Dan Williams round 1, then Donald Butler round 2
bump, no one likes or dislike my idea?
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I like Jamar Chaney more then Butler but I wouldn't be opposed to that idea.
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I like Jamar Chaney more then Butler but I wouldn't be opposed to that idea.
I dont understand why both are now getting 2nd round hype, am i missing something?
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I dont understand why both are now getting 2nd round hype, am i missing something?
Idk why there stock are on the rise but I just prefer Chaney over Butler if it came down to those two players.
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Idk why there stock are on the rise but I just prefer Chaney over Butler if it came down to those two players.
same thing happened to Sean Lee about 2 weeks ago, just out of nowhere a crapload of people just started putting him in the high second round.
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same thing happened to Sean Lee about 2 weeks ago, just out of nowhere a crapload of people just started putting him in the high second round.
I hate Sean Lee. Absolutely don't want him here.
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