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View Poll Results: AFC East vs. AFC North: Who Would Win In A Head-to-Head Matchup?
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QB Tom Brady (NE)
RB Marshawn Lynch (BUF)
FB Tony Richardson (NYJ)
WR Randy Moss (NE)
WR Terrell Owens (BUF)

TE Dustin Keller (NYJ)
RT Jake Long (MIA)
RG Alan Faneca (NYJ)
C Nick Mangold (NYJ)
LG Logan Mankins (NE)
LT Matt Light (NE)
They're not losing.
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This is definitely the closest vote we've had. Surprised at the lack of discussion, though.
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And Thomas Jones should be starting for the AFC East.
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CB Darrelle Revis (NYJ)
CB Terrence McGee (BUF)
FS Donte Whitner (BUF)
SS Yeremiah Bell (MIA)

Outside of Revis... that secondary isn't exactly scary either. Whats to say Ward, OchoCinco, mason, Holmes, Etc. wouldn't easily exploit that group?
Revis and Rhodes both need to be there. I don't think Whitner and Bell are better than Rhodes.
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And Thomas Jones should be starting for the AFC East.
Over Marshawn Lynch?
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I'm sorry.

I see Ike Taylor 1 on 1 with TO shutting him down.

I see Reed giving over the top help to Hall/Joseph with Moss.

I see Welker getting crushed by Polamalu/Farrior/Lewis if he tries to open up the middle of the field.

And I see Suggs, Woodley and Harrison having their way with those OT's.

I see them having an easier time with that offense than the East defense having with the Norths offense. What it lacks in Speed (outside Williams, Holmes, Parker, Mendenhall) It certainly makes up for in Wily Veterans who know how to exploit defenses, especially in the case of Mason/Ward.
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This whole I. Taylor will lock down T.O. *no hesitation* is laughable.
I won't debate the fact that he didn't do it but so has other CBs in certain games.
T.O. is a gamer and the second you think that you DON'T have to worry 'bout him is the time that'll burn you for 3 TDs.
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i can not believe no one has said anything about All-pro Casey Hampton. it takes 2-3 guys just to move him, he would stop any running attempt.
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This whole I. Taylor will lock down T.O. *no hesitation* is laughable.
I won't debate the fact that he didn't do it but so has other CBs in certain games.
T.O. is a gamer and the second you think that you DON'T have to worry 'bout him is the time that'll burn you for 3 TDs.
i know it is laughable to think T.O. is even near an All-pro and could do anything against Ike anyway
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AFC East

QB Tom Brady (NE)
RB Marshawn Lynch (BUF)
FB Tony Richardson (NYJ)
WR Randy Moss (NE)
WR Terrell Owens (BUF)
TE Dustin Keller (NYJ)
RT Jake Long (MIA)
RG Alan Faneca (NYJ)
C Nick Mangold (NYJ)
LG Logan Mankins (NE)
LT Matt Light (NE)

DE Richard Seymour (NE)
NT Vince Wilfork (NE)
DE Ty Warren (NE)
OLB Joey Porter (MIA)
ILB David Harris (NYJ)
ILB Jerod Mayo (NE)
OLB Adalius Thomas (NE)
CB Darrelle Revis (NYJ)
CB Terrence McGee (BUF)
FS Donte Whitner (BUF)
SS Kerry Rhodes (MIA)

7 Notable Reserves WR Wes Welker (NE), OLB/DE Calvin Pace (NYJ), S Gibril Wilson (MIA), NT Kris Jenkins (NYJ), DT Marcus Stroud (BUF), RB Thomas Jones (NYJ), KR/PR Roscoe Parrish


AFC North

QB Ben Roethlisberger (PIT)
RB Willie Parker (PIT)
FB Le'Ron McClain (BAL)
WR Hines Ward (PIT)
WR Chad Ochocinco (CIN)
TE Heath Miller (PIT)
LT Joe Thomas (CLE)
LG Eric Steinbach (CLE)
C Matt Birk (BAL)
RG Ben Grubbs (BAL)
RT Jared Gaither (BAL)

DE Aaron Smith (PIT)
NT Shaun Rogers (CLE)
DE Haloti Ngata (BAL)
OLB James Harrison (PIT)
ILB Ray Lewis (BAL)
ILB James Farrior (PIT)
OLB Terrell Suggs (BAL)
CB Leon Hall (CIN)
CB Ike Taylor (PIT)
FS Ed Reed (BAL)
SS Troy Polamalu (SS)

7 Notable Reserves: DE/OLB LaMarr Woodley (PIT), WR Braylon Edwards (CLE), CB Jonathan Joseph (CLE), LB D'Qwell Jackson (CLE), WR Derrick Mason (BAL), CB Eric Wright (CLE), PR/KR Joshua Cribbs (CLE)
the East may only have 7 worthy reserves but the North has many more then listed....

Timmons (Pit) is one of the if not the most versatile LBers in the NFL. He is one of the hardest hitting players in the game, can cover any TE and most 3rd WR's, and a great blitzing LBer. he is a man among kids.

Hampton (Pit) is an All-pro and considered the best NT in the 3-4 defence in the NFL

Homes (Pit) a SB MVP and he is not on the list, he needs to be added.

Mendenhall (Pit) has not got to prove himself but he will be great

Flacco (Bal) is a good young QB

Palmer (Cin) is a great QB, enough said

McGahee (Bal) when healthy is a good player

Rivers (Cin) a really solid LBer

"Tank" Johnson (Cin) a good player if he stays out of trouble

Coles (Cin) is a solid WR

Roy Williams (Cin), Leonard (Cin) - good players

Lewis (Clev) still a better then avg RB
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Since when did Ike Taylor all of the sudden become an All-Pro?

He's a good Corner, but gimme a break...
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I'll vote for the North, but I don't care for how some people expect that Welker would be handled rather easily.

All this mentioning of Santonio Holmes against none for Lee Evans is also odd to me.
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Actually, Casey Hampton has never been an all-pro. But you know was?

Richard Seymour, Vince Wilfork, Kris Jenkins AND Marcus Stroud.

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He played in four games. Didn't do much.

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Rivers (Cin) a really solid LBer
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"Tank" Johnson (Cin) a good player if he stays out of trouble

Coles (Cin) is a solid WR

Roy Williams (Cin), Leonard (Cin) - good players

Lewis (Clev) still a better then avg RB
And here we go into starting to list moderately decent players as "worthy".

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This whole I. Taylor will lock down T.O. *no hesitation* is laughable.
I won't debate the fact that he didn't do it but so has other CBs in certain games.
T.O. is a gamer and the second you think that you DON'T have to worry 'bout him is the time that'll burn you for 3 TDs.
Who said you didn't have to worry about TO? Thats why we put Ike Taylor on him.

His 3/32 performance was anything to brag about. He was single covered by Ike Taylor in the game.
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He's a good Corner, but gimme a break...
if Ike Taylor could catch I have no hesitation believing he'd push for an all-pro list.

Guy is lockdown, just can't catch balls that hit his hands for ****.
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the East may only have 7 worthy reserves but the North has many more then listed....

Timmons (Pit) is one of the if not the most versatile LBers in the NFL. He is one of the hardest hitting players in the game, can cover any TE and most 3rd WR's, and a great blitzing LBer. he is a man among kids.

Hampton (Pit) is an All-pro and considered the best NT in the 3-4 defence in the NFL

Homes (Pit) a SB MVP and he is not on the list, he needs to be added.

Mendenhall (Pit) has not got to prove himself but he will be great

Flacco (Bal) is a good young QB

Palmer (Cin) is a great QB, enough said

McGahee (Bal) when healthy is a good player

Rivers (Cin) a really solid LBer

"Tank" Johnson (Cin) a good player if he stays out of trouble

Coles (Cin) is a solid WR

Roy Williams (Cin), Leonard (Cin) - good players

Lewis (Clev) still a better then avg RB
The North also has more than 7.

WR Lee Evans (BUF)
CB Leigh Bodden (NE)
RB Ronnie Brown (MIA)
ILB Channing Crowder (MIA)
SS Jim Leonhard (NYJ)
TE Anthony Fasano (MIA)
OT Vernon Carey (MIA)
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RB Leon Washington (NYJ)
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Old 05-16-2009, 09:32 AM    (permalink
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I'll vote for the North, but I don't care for how some people expect that Welker would be handled rather easily.

All this mentioning of Santonio Holmes against none for Lee Evans is also odd to me.
I know right? All Welker did the past 2 years was abuse the men covering him for 111 catches each year. Timmons could not lock him down every play...I don't think any one player (outside of a few lockdown corners) could, and even then he's still going to get his. Plus Evans should definitely be in the discussion for the AFCE.

So Taylor locks TO down one game and all of a sudden he beats him every time? If you want to man up on TO, and have Leon Hall and a safety over the top on Moss then Welker is either being covered by the other safety or a LB, advantage Welker. I really doubt the AFCE would start a FB, and even if they did Keller would probably line up in the other slot as an H-back type.

I'm not saying it would always work or be easy, but the AFCE offense would be able to move the ball and score points. The running game would be very limited to say the least, but there are ways of neutralizing the pass rush somewhat (i.e. 3 step drops, screens, etc.).
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Some of this Steeler hype is pretty rediculous. The fact that i've heard Mendenhall's name on more than one occasion just kills me. Give it up quick.

As soon as you mention Roy Williams, i question using you as a credible source.

Ike Taylor is a solid corner, but he isn't the god you are hyping him up to be. You keep saying that he shut TO out therefore he will obviously do it again, which is looking at the situation in a very narrow and biased manner.

You keep throwing Holmes out there like he's some HoF'er. His SB performance was very strong. Welker has also had some good games/seasons in the recent past. I also vaguely recall Moss/Brady/Welker being the center of a pretty impressive offense fairly recently.

I'm not saying the North wouldn't win, but some of the reasoning and homer comments are rediculous (Steeler fans in particular)
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QB: Tom Brady-Chad Pennington
RB: Marshawn Lynch-Ronnie Brown-Thomas Jones
FB: Tony Richardson-Lousaka Polite
WR: Randy Moss-Wes Welker
WR: Terrell Owens-Lee Evans
TE: Dustin Keller-Anthony Fasano
LT: Matt Light-D'Brickashaw Ferguson
LG: Alan Faneca-Justin Smiley
C: Nick Mangold-Dan Koppen
RG: Logan Mankins-Damien Woody
RT: Jake Long-Vernon Carey

Other guys to consider: Trent Edwards (QB), Fred Taylor (RB), Roscoe Parrish (WR-RS), Jerico Cotchery (WR), Ted Ginn Jr. (WR), Alex Smith (TE), Langston Walker (OL), Jake Grove (OL)

DE: Richard Seymour-Marcus Stroud
NT: Vince Wilfork-Kris Jenkins
DE: Ty Warren-Shaun Ellis
OLB: Joey Porter-Aaron Schoebel
ILB: Jerod Mayo-Bart Scott
ILB: David Harris-Channing Crowder
OLB: Adailus Thomas-Calvin Pace
CB: Darrell Revis-Will Allen
CB: Terrence McGee-Leigh Bodden
FS: Gibril Wilson-Brandon Meriweather
SS: Kerry Rhodes-Donte Whitner

Other guys to consider: Phillip Merling (DE), Paul Posluszny (ILB), Jason Taylor (OLB), Bryan Thomas (OLB), Vontae Davis (CB), Shawn Springs (CB), Yeremiah Bell (SS), Jim Leohnard (SS)

K: Stephen Gostkowski
P: Brian Moorman
KR: Leon Washington-Leodis McKelvin
PR: Roscoe Parrish

That is what I have for the East team in the AFC East division forum. There is a lot of talent and a lot of depth, and I think it would be a great game. However, I think there are some people who are undervaluing some East players Vilma and SuperMcGee said. The North definitely has some studs, especially on defense, but some people are giving the North a little too much of an edge over the East.

The North would have a great front 7, but the East has a great line. The North would have a great secondary, but the East has an elite QB throwing to some of the best receivers in the NFL not to mention RB's who can make plays as receivers. I am not saying the East would dominate I'm just saying it would be a great and very evenly matched game.
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I know right? All Welker did the past 2 years was abuse the men covering him for 111 catches each year. Timmons could not lock him down every play...I don't think any one player (outside of a few lockdown corners) could, and even then he's still going to get his. Plus Evans should definitely be in the discussion for the AFCE.

So Taylor locks TO down one game and all of a sudden he beats him every time? If you want to man up on TO, and have Leon Hall and a safety over the top on Moss then Welker is either being covered by the other safety or a LB, advantage Welker. I really doubt the AFCE would start a FB, and even if they did Keller would probably line up in the other slot as an H-back type.

I'm not saying it would always work or be easy, but the AFCE offense would be able to move the ball and score points. The running game would be very limited to say the least, but there are ways of neutralizing the pass rush somewhat (i.e. 3 step drops, screens, etc.).
So, what if the other Safety is Troy?


My point has been yeah, this is a high powered offense and yeah they could score a lot of points.

My issue is the posts that go:

Tom Brady + Randy Moss + TO = Auto-Win.

Sure, there's a possibility Ike wouldn't shut TO down again, but the difference is he proved he can do it, so it's not out of the question as people are making it.

Sure there's probably going to be scoring, but at the same time, I think it's just unnerving to see people undercut this secondary just because they're facing Moss/Brady/TO.

Forgetting the Best FS/SS in the league are in the deep centerfield, and that Ike Has shown he can cover these guys.
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Voted North, the trenches win again... That front 7 for the North is killer. Really close though.
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QB: Tom Brady-Chad Pennington
RB: Marshawn Lynch-Ronnie Brown-Thomas Jones
FB: Tony Richardson-Lousaka Polite
WR: Randy Moss-Wes Welker
WR: Terrell Owens-Lee Evans
TE: Dustin Keller-Anthony Fasano
LT: Matt Light-D'Brickashaw Ferguson
LG: Alan Faneca-Justin Smiley
C: Nick Mangold-Dan Koppen
RG: Logan Mankins-Damien Woody
RT: Jake Long-Vernon Carey

Other guys to consider: Trent Edwards (QB), Fred Taylor (RB), Roscoe Parrish (WR-RS), Jerico Cotchery (WR), Ted Ginn Jr. (WR), Alex Smith (TE), Langston Walker (OL), Jake Grove (OL)

DE: Richard Seymour-Marcus Stroud
NT: Vince Wilfork-Kris Jenkins
DE: Ty Warren-Shaun Ellis
OLB: Joey Porter-Aaron Schoebel
ILB: Jerod Mayo-Bart Scott
ILB: David Harris-Channing Crowder
OLB: Adailus Thomas-Calvin Pace
CB: Darrell Revis-Will Allen
CB: Terrence McGee-Leigh Bodden
FS: Gibril Wilson-Brandon Meriweather
SS: Kerry Rhodes-Donte Whitner

Other guys to consider: Phillip Merling (DE), Paul Posluszny (ILB), Jason Taylor (OLB), Bryan Thomas (OLB), Vontae Davis (CB), Shawn Springs (CB), Yeremiah Bell (SS), Jim Leohnard (SS)

K: Stephen Gostkowski
P: Brian Moorman
KR: Leon Washington-Leodis McKelvin
PR: Roscoe Parrish

That is what I have for the East team in the AFC East division forum. There is a lot of talent and a lot of depth, and I think it would be a great game. However, I think there are some people who are undervaluing some East players Vilma and SuperMcGee said. The North definitely has some studs, especially on defense, but some people are giving the North a little too much of an edge over the East.

The North would have a great front 7, but the East has a great line. The North would have a great secondary, but the East has an elite QB throwing to some of the best receivers in the NFL not to mention RB's who can make plays as receivers. I am not saying the East would dominate I'm just saying it would be a great and very evenly matched game.
if we were doing full-depth...


QB: Ben Roethlisberger -> Carson Palmer
RB: Willie Parker -> Willis McGahee -> Mewelde Moore
FB: Le'Ron McClain -> Lawrence Vickers
WR: Hines Ward -> Santonio Holmes
WR: Chad Johnson -> Braylon Edwards
WR: Derrick Mason -> Mark Clayton
TE: Heath Miller -> Todd Heap
LT: Joe Thomas -> Max Starks
LG: Eric Steinbach -> Andrew Whitworth
C: Matt Birk -> Justin Hartwig
RG: Ben Grubbs -> Willie Colon
RT: Jared Gaither -> Michael Oher/Andre Smith


WDE: Haloti Ngata -> Trevor Pryce
NT: Shaun Rogers -> Casey Hampton
SDE: Aaron Smith -> Justin Bannan

WOLB: James Harrison -> Terrell Suggs
WILB: Ray Lewis -> D'Qwell Jackson
SILB: James Farrior -> Dhani Jones
SOLB: LaMarr Woodley -> Robert Geathers

CB: Ike Taylor -> Jonathon Joseph -> Leon Hall
CB: Fabian Washington -> Eric Wright

FS: Ed Reed -> Ryan Clark
SS: Troy Polamalu -> Dawan Landry


Other Notables:

Dominique Foxworth (CB), Antwan Barnes (OLB), Ray Rice (RB) (Scotty isnt' this Auto-Win?), L.J. Smith (TE)

Brandon McDonald(CB), Kamerion Wimbley (OLB), Jamal Lewis(RB), Josh Cribbs (KR/PR)

Keith Rivers (ILB), Anthony Collins (OT), Brian Leonard (RB/FB)(Another Autowin?), Cedric Benson (RB)

Lawrence Timmons (ILB/OLB), Chris Hoke (NT)


Can we petition the NFL to let us watch the game?


not to mention...

Tomlin at HC.. with Mangini/LeBeau/Lewis/Ryan
Cam Cameron with assistants Arians/Bratkowski.
Harbaugh with ST's with Bob Ligashesky.

Very interesting game.
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The North's D is just to good to vote against.
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