NFL opened investigations against the Redskins

[critesy]

Originally Posted by the decider13

Do you know what a compensatory pick is? They will be getting a third no matter what comes of this tampering charge.

the person who he was reffering to was talking about tampering not compensatory.

[parrish_lemar24DBSkins]

Originally Posted by the decider13

Do you know what a compensatory pick is? They will be getting a third no matter what comes of this tampering charge.

Haynesworth was an UFA.

He's free and clear to whatever team signs him.

Apparently, one of us needs to read up NFL contract rules.

[TitanHope]

Originally Posted by parrish_lemar24DBSkins

Not to digress, but the SAM in Greg Blache's defensive scheme plays a lot like an OLB in a 3-4.
Blache has already stated that Rak will be rushing the QB 75% of the time, so the opportunity to put up some decent sack numbers will be there.

And most Skins fans are very aware of that Rock(head!!) Cartwright radio quote.
Still if two players share the same agent, that's going to be a tough case to prove, that his agent was specifically talking to the Skins about signing Big Al, unless Malcolm Kelly and Haynesworth tell a different story than Snyder and Chad Speck.

Does anyone have an idea how long it will take the NFL Office to rule on a tampering investigation?

I hope it's over before the preseason starts because it's already becoming something of a minor distraction.

The Skins running a Zone-Blitz similar to that of the Giants?

No clue on how long it'll take or how much access the NFL will be given to Redskins/Speck's records and such. As far as the Cartwright quote, I think it's fairly damaging considering it's a person inside the organization stating it.

I think it'll really depend on how hard Goodell wants to hit the tampering thing. I know it's been a hot topic at Owners meetings and such, and Goodell has said he's wanted to curb tampering. Whether or not he'll make an example out of the Skins like he did player conduct with PacMan or SpyGate with the Patriots remains to be seen.

[CC.SD]

Eery down Orakpo spends as a LB is a complete waste. Just one passing down spent in coverage is too many.

[OzTitan]

Originally Posted by toddmlazarchick

Because of the stupid comments made.

One Titan fan thinks he is getting a 3rd round pick of this....

One Vikings fan just plain hates Dan Snyder and Albert Haynesworth...

And one Bears fan who actually thinks something will become of this....

The Titans had TWO YEARS to extend Albert and never did. Sorry if the best DT IN THE NFL is on my team in his prime and we have a 2 year window to resign him BEFORE anyone else has a chance and we dont then we are idiots. They have no one to be mad at but themselves.

Like i stated unless there is someone who sat there and recorded the conversation this is going nowhere. You would need Snyder to come out and say he tampered, or Haynesworth's agent, or someone in the FO of the Redskins to say something. None of those 3 things are happening. IMO the Titans should give us a draft pick if they are proven wrong. Perhaps a 3rd rounder as well. (Lets see how much crap that mixes up)

How did the 49ers get pinged regarding Briggs? I doubt it was recorded conversation.

Sorry, but the Titans not signing him when they had the chance has 0.0 relevance to tampering charges.

And FYI, I didn't say the Titans will get a 3rd from this, I said if they get anything, I "doubt it would be anything like a 1st though. Maybe a 3rd or something". Lrn2read.

[the decider13]

Originally Posted by parrish_lemar24DBSkins

Haynesworth was an UFA.

He's free and clear to whatever team signs him.

Apparently, one of us needs to read up NFL contract rules.

You can't contact a player before the start of free agency, he is still under contract. That is the whole point.

I understood the titans fan as talking about a compensatory selection, which they will get.

[parrish_lemar24DBSkins]

You do realize CC.SD that Merriman was primarily a DE at Maryland?

EDIT: Gotta be honest, as a Skins fan, losing ANY picks on a sloppy deal would really suck for next year, (still don't think it will happen), but the Danny won't sweat a drop so long as he gets to keep his 1st rounder in 2010.

[619]

Originally Posted by parrish_lemar24DBSkins

You do realize CC.SD that Merriman was primarily a DE at Maryland?

SD plays the 3-4, it's not even comparable.

[toddmlazarchick]

Originally Posted by TitanHope

Here's our thread in the Titans forum: http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=33942

Probably the juciest piece of evidence that's been in the media:

Rock Cartwright admitted in a radio interview that...



Radio interview: http://www.stationcaster.com/player.php?s=...427&f=22081

Article link: http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2009/03/11/redskin...m-tampered-wit/


The Titans are getting a 3rd RD compensatory pick thanks to Washington signing Haynesworth, so we're getting something in return. This isn't the Titans being spiteful or anything like that. They weren't going to pay him what he wanted, and someone else would. That was a foregone realization it seems. But, Jeff Fisher and GM Mike Reinfeldt are opportunistic. If the 'Skins were stupid enough to tamper, then why wouldn't the Titans ask for an investigation? Also, I wouldn't think a probe would've been initiated unless the Titans thought they had a good shot at success - they've filed and have won tampering investigations in the past.

So Cartwright's comment was directly related to Snyder sharing his FA plans with our 3rd string RB and not in anyway related to the past spending trends from Dan Snyder? Please tell me how its not the Titans being sour about not being able to compete with the Redskins in resigning him. You say if we were stupid enough to tamper? What evidence do you have that it happened? The Rock comment? If you say that we signed him so early then you are just throwing comments out there and hoping they stick because Tampa Bay offered him the same contract and he turned theirs down for ours.

[parrish_lemar24DBSkins]

The SAM in Blache's 4-3 and the OLB in a 3-4 are almost the same position, especially on passing downs, when one of the DEs slides inside and a DT comes off the field.
As long as Rak can give a decent effort in coverage, no one is expecting to get INTs, he can focus his effort on getting to the QB.

[toddmlazarchick]

Originally Posted by DoughBoy

Haynesworth is super overrated to begin with.

Since he is no longer a Titan

[toddmlazarchick]

Originally Posted by CC.SD

Eery down Orakpo spends as a LB is a complete waste. Just one passing down spent in coverage is too many.

Thats where you have no knowledge of the topic. His job is not to cover its to rush.

[toddmlazarchick]

Originally Posted by OzTitan

How did the 49ers get pinged regarding Briggs? I doubt it was recorded conversation.

Sorry, but the Titans not signing him when they had the chance has 0.0 relevance to tampering charges.

And FYI, I didn't say the Titans will get a 3rd from this, I said if they get anything, I "doubt it would be anything like a 1st though. Maybe a 3rd or something". Lrn2read.

Then tell me how you can prove that they were not talk about Malcolm Kelly who shares the same agent?

You didnt say anything about a 3rd? and you are telling me to learn to read? check the bold pal.

[OzTitan]

Originally Posted by toddmlazarchick

Then tell me how you can prove that they were not talk about Malcolm Kelly who shares the same agent?

You didnt say anything about a 3rd? and you are telling me to learn to read? check the bold pal.

The same way they proved the 49ers tampered with Briggs? The fact they share the same agent doesn't mean there aren't other ways. I'm not saying it will happen, but it's certainly possible. The NFL wouldn't open it up if there was no chance of a case.

No, I said I didn't say the Titans WILL get a 3rd from this. I inferred, IF there is something coming from this, it will probably be a 3rd or similiar. That's twice you've misread it now. I never said I believe the Titans are getting a 3rd from this as to suggest I'm confident the Redskins will be found guilty, just IF the Redskins are found guilty that's probably around what the penalty will be, which is far from "stupid" because realistically, if found guilty, it could quite easily be all the way up to the 1st rounder due to Albert's status and the possibility of the Redskins being made an example of. It's unprecedented, really.

[TitanHope]

Originally Posted by toddmlazarchick

So Cartwright's comment was directly related to Snyder sharing his FA plans with our 3rd string RB and not in anyway related to the past spending trends from Dan Snyder?

What the hell are you going on about?

Cartwright stated that his teammate shares the same agent as Haynesworth, and that said player stated that the Redskins and his agent had been talking about Haynesworth.

No one said a thing about Snyder or GM Vinny Cerrato specifically.

Please tell me how its not the Titans being sour about not being able to compete with the Redskins in resigning him.

Because the Titans have better things to do than to pout about the Redskins. In fact, I'm pretty sure that's the case for most NFL teams. As I said before, they're getting a 3rd RD comp pick from losing AH in FA, and it's not like it's an AFC team that picked him up.

Also, the Titans could've competed with Washington and Tampa's offers - they just chose not to. If the Titans wanted to have kept AH, they would have. They had more than enough cap space to have re-signed him at that price, and AH had spent his entire career in Tennessee, including college at UT.

You say if we were stupid enough to tamper? What evidence do you have that it happened? The Rock comment?

You're just being difficult now. I said if they were stupid enough to tamper. As of yet, we don't have all of the evidence. It's not as if I'm sitting here going, "OMG! They done did it! We all know they done it! Now they got caught!" Stop talking to me like I am, or else I'll act just as ignorant as you are in thinking there's no way anything negative about my team can come to fruition.

If you say that we signed him so early then you are just throwing comments out there and hoping they stick because Tampa Bay offered him the same contract and he turned theirs down for ours.

Tampa Bay probably tampered as well. After all, in your own words, "News flash....all 32 teams tamper." :rollseyes:

[toddmlazarchick]

Originally Posted by OzTitan

The same way they proved the 49ers tampered with Briggs? The fact they share the same agent doesn't mean there aren't other ways. I'm not saying it will happen, but it's certainly possible. The NFL wouldn't open it up if there was no chance of a case.

No, I said I didn't say the Titans WILL get a 3rd from this. I inferred, IF there is something coming from this, it will probably be a 3rd or similiar. That's twice you've misread it now. I never said I believe the Titans are getting a 3rd from this as to suggest I'm confident the Redskins will be found guilty, just IF the Redskins are found guilty that's probably around what the penalty will be, which is far from "stupid" because realistically, if found guilty, it could quite easily be all the way up to the 1st rounder due to Albert's status and the possibility of the Redskins being made an example of. It's unprecedented, really.

so IF their would be some way to prove the Redskins tampered what makes you think it should be any worse then what the 49ers had to give up? You think it could be a first rounder? Please dont kid yourself. His status has nothing to do with it. Lance Briggs isn't a top LB?

[toddmlazarchick]

Originally Posted by TitanHope

You're just being difficult now. I said if they were stupid enough to tamper. As of yet, we don't have all of the evidence. It's not as if I'm sitting here going, "OMG! They done did it! We all know they done it! Now they got caught!" Stop talking to me like I am, or else I'll act just as ignorant as you are in thinking there's no way anything negative about my team can come to fruition.



Tampa Bay probably tampered as well. After all, in your own words, "News flash....all 32 teams tamper." :rollseyes:

Since i said anything related to nothing my team does can go wrong. There is no evidence to support that they tampered. If there was significant evidence then i would be bitching how stupid my team was for doing such and losing draft picks. but when you come on a read other naive people saying that the Titans should get a 3rd if we did tamper or a first because its Albert Haynesworth and he is an elite player which happens to be coming from the same person calling him overrated, its stupid.

As far as my comment that all 32 teams tampered, according to the rule it would be wrong for an owner or FO person to mention another FAs name to his agent before the deadline would be tampering i take it. if thats the case then to say that NO NFL team does that is bs. If someone would have a deal worked out before the deadline and allowing other teams to bid for them, to me is what tampering is and what is wrong.

[parrish_lemar24DBSkins]

If this whole case hinges on testimony from Malcolm Kelly and especially Cartwright, don't be surprised to see Rock walking the pavement looking for a new gig if this whole situation gets turned upside down.

I wonder how hard Goodell can squeeze an individual player in a tampering investigation?

Can Goodell suspend a player for lying...I guess there's no reason he couldn't.

What an awful way for Kelly to start his 2nd year for the Skins. HE would go from being almost loved to becoming a pariah, a man without a team.

Rookie lips sink WRs to the bottom of the depth chart.

[OzTitan]

Originally Posted by toddmlazarchick

so IF their would be some way to prove the Redskins tampered what makes you think it should be any worse then what the 49ers had to give up? You think it could be a first rounder? Please dont kid yourself. His status has nothing to do with it. Lance Briggs isn't a top LB?

Status was a poorly chosen word. "Outcome", then - what he got paid and the fact he actually wound up on the tampering team (if it's proven) in this case, which Briggs didn't. That's a pretty big difference.

As I said, it's unprecedented. Not one case study to go off that's really close to it. Who knows what the hell could come out of it - it could be just about anything. This is the same commish who made an example out of Pacman basically for how the media kept portraying him, fairly or not - he certainly didn't suspend him indefinitely for anything he actually got convicted of in the court of law. I don't think any pick is out of the question at this point - it really depends on how much of a hard ass Goodell wants to be if it can be proven.

[OzTitan]

Originally Posted by toddmlazarchick

Since i said anything related to nothing my team does can go wrong. There is no evidence to support that they tampered.

How do you know?

Originally Posted by toddmlazarchick

If there was significant evidence then i would be bitching how stupid my team was for doing such and losing draft picks. but when you come on a read other naive people saying that the Titans should get a 3rd if we did tamper or a first because its Albert Haynesworth and he is an elite player which happens to be coming from the same person calling him overrated, its stupid.

/me bangs head on desk repeatedly

I sure hope you're not refering to me, because not only did I not call him overrated, but if I haven't made it clear by now I haven't stated an opinion on what the Titans SHOULD get but rather have simply pointed out what they might or will PROBABLY get, I give up.

[TitanHope]

Originally Posted by parrish_lemar24DBSkins

If this whole case hinges on testimony from Malcolm Kelly and especially Cartwright, don't be surprised to see Rock walking the pavement looking for a new gig if this whole situation gets turned upside down.

I wonder how hard Goodell can squeeze an individual player in a tampering investigation?

Can Goodell suspend a player for lying...I guess there's no reason he couldn't.

What an awful way for Kelly to start his 2nd year for the Skins. HE would go from being almost loved to becoming a pariah, a man without a team.

Rookie lips sink WRs to the bottom of the depth chart.

Squeeze Kelly or Cartwright, or even the agent Chad Speck. If players could be suspended, couldn't Speck's agent status in the NFL be revoked?

I'd rather something happen to the agent than Kelly or Cartwright. It wouldn't be fair to the players.

Here's an article on Goodell wanting to crack down on tampering:

Goodell Wants Rule on Free Agent Tampering to Be Enforced
By Mark Maske
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, March 14, 2008; Page E07

In a proposal to crack down on cheating, NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell wants the league's competition committee to look not only at the large infractions but the comparatively minor violations as well.

One mostly overlooked aspect of Goodell's directives to the committee, sent in a two-page memo last week, is a passage in which he instructs committee members to review all of the league's competitive rules, including those that prohibit contact between teams and players under contract to other clubs.

Many in the league believe that rule, part of the NFL's anti-tampering provisions, is almost universally ignored in the weeks leading up to the annual opening of the free agent market -- when, they say, agents routinely line up prospective deals for their clients with new teams. It is generally viewed, it appears, as a no-harm, no-foul arrangement. But Atlanta Falcons President Rich McKay, the co-chairman of the competition committee, said this week that the issue very well could be addressed as part of Goodell's ordered crackdown.


"I don't know that it's viewed as a problem" by many within the league, McKay said in a telephone interview. "But that doesn't mean we should leave the rule as it is. You don't want to have a rule that is not enforced. You want a rule that can be and is enforced."

Under anti-tampering rules, a player eligible for free agency is supposed to negotiate only with his most recent team until the opening of the free agent market, when he is permitted to begin negotiating with any team. But in practice, said several agents and front-office executives from NFL teams who spoke on the condition of anonymity because they didn't want to implicate themselves or their clients, many agents go to the NFL scouting combine in Indianapolis before the opening of free agency to begin negotiating with new teams on behalf of clients eligible for free agency. Those deals cannot become official until the opening of the free agent market and sometimes fall through, according to the agents and executives, but many translate into signed contracts.

By unofficial count, 32 NFL players agreed to or signed contracts with teams on Feb. 29, the opening day of free agency this year. Last year, that unofficial count was 24 players.

"It's just how business is done by much of the league, or most of the league," one agent said. "No one really seems to object."

Goodell apparently does.

"I also believe that the Committee should do a thorough review of our competitive rules and policies to ensure that they are current, appropriate, and well-understood by all clubs," the commissioner wrote in his memo to the competition committee. "As possible examples, the Committee may want to consider revising the Anti-Tampering Policy, or the crowd noise rules, both of which have been the subject of discussion in recent years."

An executive from one team said a possible solution would be to create a window of a week or two before free agency in which a player could negotiate with all teams. But an executive from another team said, "No matter where you put the date, there are going to be some people who try to get the jump before everyone else."

McKay declined to provide specifics about what the competition committee might propose.

"At this point, I'll leave it to you to speculate what those changes might be," McKay said.

The tampering rules also cover contact between teams and coaches under contract to other clubs. The issue is just one of the smaller items addressed in Goodell's memo. Goodell also wrote that the league might have teams make "greater use of neutral physician exams" when it comes to decisions about placing players on the season-ending injured reserve list. He wrote that the committee "may wish to consider how the 'equity rule' will apply to cases in which a team loses the use of its communication systems during a game."

Under current rules, a team is not required to shut down its coach-to-quarterback communication system during a game just because the opponent's system is malfunctioning; it only is required to shut down all its communication systems if all its opponent's systems, including those from the press box to the sideline, are not operational. That has produced occasional accusations about a visiting team's coach-to-quarterback system being jammed or otherwise sabotaged during games for competitive gain. Goodell seems to be suggesting that the rule perhaps should be changed so that when one team loses its coach-to-quarterback system, the opponent must shut its system down as well.

Most of the attention generated by Goodell's memo has stemmed from his proposals to address the major issues connected to the New England Patriots being punished for illegally videotaping the play signals of New York Jets coaches in the opening game of the 2007 season. In the memo, Goodell proposed changes that include the continuation of a program of unannounced inspections of locker rooms, stadium press boxes and in-game communication equipment; a lowering of the standard necessary for the commissioner to impose penalties; and a requirement that teams report all violations and submit annual signed certifications that they complied with the rules and reported all infractions.

Some of Goodell's measures, such as his endorsement of a previous proposal to connect one defensive player per team to a coach on the sideline via a wireless communication device during games, require approval of three-fourths of the league's owners. Others perhaps could be enacted by Goodell without approval, and it is expected that there would be little or no opposition to any measures that Goodell deems necessary to protect the integrity of the sport.

"Certainly the commissioner's wishes carry a lot of weight," New York Giants co-owner John Mara, a member of the competition committee, said last week.

But Goodell is seeking input.

"He is just asking us to look at ways we can improve the game and how we might be able to better enforce our rules," said Mara, whose team beat the previously undefeated Patriots in the Super Bowl.

Competition committee members began what's scheduled to be a weeklong set of meetings Wednesday in Naples, Fla., and McKay said the committee will devote "as many hours as it takes" to emerge with a set of recommendations for owners, who will meet beginning March 30 in Palm Beach, Fla., at the annual league meeting. McKay said that the competition committee should have enough time to address the smaller issues raised by Goodell as well as the larger ones.

"We address these issues every year in our surveys to the teams," McKay said. "We review a lot of these items. I think it would be something we could address at the league meeting."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...031304158.html

[CC.SD]

Originally Posted by parrish_lemar24DBSkins

You do realize CC.SD that Merriman was primarily a DE at Maryland?

EDIT: Gotta be honest, as a Skins fan, losing ANY picks on a sloppy deal would really suck for next year, (still don't think it will happen), but the Danny won't sweat a drop so long as he gets to keep his 1st rounder in 2010.

Oh my goodness, are you serious? Please, tell me more about Merriman. Tell me more about the differences between the 4-3 and 3-4.

I'm completely familiar with what the Skins plans are for Orakpo, and if you think NFL OC's aren't going to find a way to take advantage of him whenever he lines up at LB you're living in a dreamworld.

Orakpo is a born DE. If they stick him at SAM, they will either have to blitz the SAM every down, or drop him into coverage on occasion, which will be unfortunate. I believe clownshoes Todd said something along the lines of me not knowing what I'm talking about...it's a fact that even blitzing LBs have areas of the field they're responsible for either in the running game, or they are expected to cover a man. This is clearly not the most ideal use of Orakpo's skillset.

Originally Posted by parrish

Haynesworth was an UFA.

He's free and clear to whatever team signs him.

Apparently, one of us needs to read up NFL contract rules.

And it's you. Of course the Titans will get a 3rd round comp pick out of Haynseworth walking away and signing a monster contract.

[CC.SD]

/\ Came across pretty grumpy. I've had a long night.

[7-11]

Originally Posted by parrish_lemar24DBSkins

You do realize CC.SD that Merriman was primarily a DE at Maryland?

That could not possibly have less to do with a single post in this thread. Like, at all.

The plastic things on the end of shoelaces are called aglets.

See that fact? It actually had more to do with this thread than your post. Congrats.

[parrish_lemar24DBSkins]

Originally Posted by CC.SD

Of course the Titans will get a 3rd round comp pick out of Haynseworth walking away and signing a monster contract.

You're assuming they get pinched by Goodell for tampering, CC.

There's nothing that leads me to believe this will be the final outcome, however, I 'm sure the burden of proof for the NFL is much less than it would be in a criminal court proceeding.

Originally Posted by 7-11

That could not possibly have less to do with a single post in this thread. Like, at all.

The plastic things on the end of shoelaces are called aglets.

See that fact? It actually had more to do with this thread than your post. Congrats.

If you had read the entire thread, mate, you would see it does have a tangential relevance to the convo. The signing of Haynesworth makes the transition to SAM that much easier for Orakpo.

No need to crack back if you don't know what you're talking about.

G'day.

Why are there so many snarky guys on SWDC?
Yall need to chill OUT!!!