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Old 06-22-2009, 12:30 PM    (permalink
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I don't understand why people say Bradford's arm strength is questionable. He isn't JaMarcus Russell in terms of arm strength but he certainly is not Chad Pennington, even pre-injury Pennington. On a scale of 1-10, 5 being average, Bradford's arm strength is probably about an 8.
Noway is his arm strength that strong, he never impressed me with his arm. Hes average at best with arm strength.



ANother thing about Bradford, he is very thin and looks like he could be a injury prone guy in the NFL as he never has taken many hits in college with that great OL protecting him giving him 10 seconds to throw which won't happen in the NFL especially if he goes high in the draft to a bad team.

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I am definitely scared for Bradford as an NFL prospect. I'd like to see how he develops, but it will continue being tough to gauge in the spread. I'd be very uncomfortable taking him #1 overall.
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I am definitely scared for Bradford as an NFL prospect. I'd like to see how he develops, but it will continue being tough to gauge in the spread. I'd be very uncomfortable taking him #1 overall.
Exactly. I can see that he has skills but I'd be too iffy to take him so high in the first.
Unless they change their playbook a bit, looks, reads- any team that drafts him will be taking that "high risk-high reward" road in drafting
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It just depends on what you're willing to take a risk on. Bradford has pinpoint accuracy and decent arm strength while someone like Matthew Stafford had average accuracy and elite arm strength. Then you look at a prospect like Mark Sanchez who falls right in the middle of those two. Obviously there's much more than accuracy and arm strength, but it comes down to what you like most in a prospect.
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One, I want to point out Jason White wasn't drafted. He had medical issues with his knees and was 25 by the time the 2005 NFL Draft rolled around. His knees were shot by the time he was finished and his tools were no where near as good as Bradford's.

Two, Bradford is a great QB prospect IMO. He has good size, has a decent arm, has great accuracy and good mobility. He had a lot of incompletions due to dropped passes, plus some interceptions were due to the receiver dropping the pass and causing the defender to come down with it.
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One, I want to point out Jason White wasn't drafted. He had medical issues with his knees and was 25 by the time the 2005 NFL Draft rolled around. His knees were shot by the time he was finished and his tools were no where near as good as Bradford's.
That's a concern I have for him, but an even bigger concern that just dawned on me was the amount of QBs starting in the NFL right now that played in the watered down Big 12... not just Oklahoma.

Here's the list of starting Big 12 QBs in the NFL (Last year):

That took long. There wasn't a single one.
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That's a concern I have for him, but an even bigger concern that just dawned on me was the amount of QBs starting in the NFL right now that played in the watered down Big 12... not just Oklahoma.

Here's the list of starting Big 12 QBs in the NFL (Last year):

That took long. There wasn't a single one.
The argument of where the player goes to school or who the competition is, as general as the Big XII, is pointless because it only takes one to buck the trend. I could see where you could bring it up if the Big XII was constantly producing highly touted NFL QBs, but they're not; they produce very good college QBs but very few of these guys recently have gotten any attention from the NFL.
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That's a concern I have for him, but an even bigger concern that just dawned on me was the amount of QBs starting in the NFL right now that played in the watered down Big 12... not just Oklahoma.

Here's the list of starting Big 12 QBs in the NFL (Last year):

That took long. There wasn't a single one.
Not so fast my friend! Until Brett Favre is officially signed, Sage Rosenfels (Iowa State) is the starter in Minnesota. And Josh Freeman (Kansas State) has at least an outside chance of starting some games in Tampa.

Yeah yeah I know, you said last year, yeah shut up already.

Though I agree with your overall point that it's pathetic that the Big 12 has no legitimate starting QB's, when a conference like the MAC has three (I count Pennington and Leftwich under the MAC because Marhsall was in the MAC when they played).
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That's a concern I have for him, but an even bigger concern that just dawned on me was the amount of QBs starting in the NFL right now that played in the watered down Big 12... not just Oklahoma.

Here's the list of starting Big 12 QBs in the NFL (Last year):

That took long. There wasn't a single one.
What does that have to do with anything?
It didn't happen last year, so it won't happen in the future?
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I wish I sucked as bad as him !! He's gonna sign a sweet deal and have a nice pro career. He may not have the strongest arm but he has intangibles that will make him a winner
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So, it's the offseason and I'm re-watching old games. Just re-watched the 2008 Fiesta Bowl, the game that highlighted the worst of OU. The game where OU gained more in penalties than in offense for most of the first half.

Bradford struggled a lot, mainly because the OU line couldn't do crap to stop the rush. He had a major problem staring down receivers and, as a result, unable to sense pressure. And there were a lot of blitzers coming in clean. He got strip-sacked early by a rusher straight up the middle because he was looking totally the wrong way. And the more I see it, the more I dislike the way he throws - not the arm motion, but how he throws flatfooted, with very little hip movement. Put some hip into it, man.

Obviously, a lot of these things have since improved the past year. And that weird 3-3-5 stack of WVU probably had a lot to do with his difficulty picking out receivers. But on the other hand, he's gonna have to face blitzing 3-man defenses eventually in the NFL.
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It just depends on what you're willing to take a risk on. Bradford has pinpoint accuracy and decent arm strength while someone like Matthew Stafford had average accuracy and elite arm strength. Then you look at a prospect like Mark Sanchez who falls right in the middle of those two. Obviously there's much more than accuracy and arm strength, but it comes down to what you like most in a prospect.
Those are 2 pretty big misconceptions right there. Bradford has pinpoint accuracy....short of 15 yards. That's all he throws so that's all you see therefore you reach the conclusion that he's accurate.

Matthew Stafford has average accuracy....beyond 15 yards. Stafford throws the tough (NFL) passes and you can't get those every time. He's money on curls and slants, just like Bradford. Say you placed Stafford inside Oklahoma's protective steel bubble (aka pocket) where he could scratch his chin, do 10 pushups and then step up and attempt an 8-yard pass to Gresham in the flat....don't you think he would complete a ton of passes and look pretty darn accurate? You have to look beyond statistics like completion % to truly evaluate QBs. Bradford would get eaten alive on Georgia. Put Stafford on OU and they probably would've beaten Florida.

Also, Mark Sanchez might fall in the middle of the 2 in terms of arm strength, but he's definitely more accurate than Bradford. Sanchez actually throws the deep ball, post, seam, fade, deep out, w/e. His passes are much more diverse as he plays in a sophisticated pro offense.

EDIT: Josh Freeman doesn't have a chance of starting this year in Tampa. It's a battle between Leftwich and McCown.
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So, it's the offseason and I'm re-watching old games. Just re-watched the 2008 Fiesta Bowl, the game that highlighted the worst of OU. The game where OU gained more in penalties than in offense for most of the first half.

Bradford struggled a lot, mainly because the OU line couldn't do crap to stop the rush. He had a major problem staring down receivers and, as a result, unable to sense pressure. And there were a lot of blitzers coming in clean. He got strip-sacked early by a rusher straight up the middle because he was looking totally the wrong way. And the more I see it, the more I dislike the way he throws - not the arm motion, but how he throws flatfooted, with very little hip movement. Put some hip into it, man.

Obviously, a lot of these things have since improved the past year. And that weird 3-3-5 stack of WVU probably had a lot to do with his difficulty picking out receivers. But on the other hand, he's gonna have to face blitzing 3-man defenses eventually in the NFL.
IMO, its ridiculous to come to a conclusion on a QB based off a meaningless bowl game in his first year starting as a redshirt freshman.

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Those are 2 pretty big misconceptions right there. Bradford has pinpoint accuracy....short of 15 yards. That's all he throws so that's all you see therefore you reach the conclusion that he's accurate.

Matthew Stafford has average accuracy....beyond 15 yards. Stafford throws the tough (NFL) passes and you can't get those every time. He's money on curls and slants, just like Bradford. Say you placed Stafford inside Oklahoma's protective steel bubble (aka pocket) where he could scratch his chin, do 10 pushups and then step up and attempt an 8-yard pass to Gresham in the flat....don't you think he would complete a ton of passes and look pretty darn accurate? You have to look beyond statistics like completion % to truly evaluate QBs. Bradford would get eaten alive on Georgia. Put Stafford on OU and they probably would've beaten Florida.

Also, Mark Sanchez might fall in the middle of the 2 in terms of arm strength, but he's definitely more accurate than Bradford. Sanchez actually throws the deep ball, post, seam, fade, deep out, w/e. His passes are much more diverse as he plays in a sophisticated pro offense.

EDIT: Josh Freeman doesn't have a chance of starting this year in Tampa. It's a battle between Leftwich and McCown.
Its also a misconception that Bradford can't throw a completion without the WR being wide open. He actually can throw an accurate ball on those medium to deep passes.
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So, it's the offseason and I'm re-watching old games. Just re-watched the 2008 Fiesta Bowl, the game that highlighted the worst of OU. The game where OU gained more in penalties than in offense for most of the first half.

Bradford struggled a lot, mainly because the OU line couldn't do crap to stop the rush. He had a major problem staring down receivers and, as a result, unable to sense pressure. And there were a lot of blitzers coming in clean. He got strip-sacked early by a rusher straight up the middle because he was looking totally the wrong way. And the more I see it, the more I dislike the way he throws - not the arm motion, but how he throws flatfooted, with very little hip movement. Put some hip into it, man.

Obviously, a lot of these things have since improved the past year. And that weird 3-3-5 stack of WVU probably had a lot to do with his difficulty picking out receivers. But on the other hand, he's gonna have to face blitzing 3-man defenses eventually in the NFL.
You do realize he was a freshman in that game?
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That's a concern I have for him, but an even bigger concern that just dawned on me was the amount of QBs starting in the NFL right now that played in the watered down Big 12... not just Oklahoma.

Here's the list of starting Big 12 QBs in the NFL (Last year):

That took long. There wasn't a single one.
Didn't Seneca Wallace go to Iowa State? I'd count him as a starting QB, considering he started a large majority of the Seahawks games last year.
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That's a concern I have for him, but an even bigger concern that just dawned on me was the amount of QBs starting in the NFL right now that played in the watered down Big 12... not just Oklahoma.

Here's the list of starting Big 12 QBs in the NFL (Last year):

That took long. There wasn't a single one.
That merely proves correlation..
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That merely proves correlation..
sadly, that is enough for some people.
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IMO, its ridiculous to come to a conclusion on a QB based off a meaningless bowl game in his first year starting as a redshirt freshman.
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Obviously, a lot of these things have since improved the past year.
I'd hardly call the Fiesta Bowl meaningless.

It wasn't at all conclusive, so it's not a conclusion. But my personal belief is that the biggest weaknesses of a QB are the early ones that they revert back to. When a great QB makes mistakes, it's the same mistakes they made when they first began.

Obviously, Bradford is not the same QB as the one from two years ago. I'm actually kind of a fan of his. But it's not totally invalid to note what his mistakes were in that game. And it's nothing conclusive.

In any case, let's agree to disagree.
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Sam's arm won't be a question this year. Dude bulked up.



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He makes Colts look like a skinny Chase Daniels there.
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You make some valid points but overall the positives far outweigh the negatives. It's just the norm now that the top QB prospect will be the subject of excessive analysis and a lot of that tends to be negative.
I agree with this guy right here. Of course people are going to pick him apart.
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As he stands right now, I would take Sam Bradford in round 4.
That has got to be one of the dumbest statements of all time. After just two years there was a real debate about who would be picked number one Bradford or Stafford, until Sam decided to come back to school. If Sam Bradford took next year off he would still be at least a second round pick. The kid isn't perfect don't get me wrong, but he has a skill set that is better than many starting NFL QBs.
I actually re-watched the BCS game against Florida and their fantastic defense on HULU. If you are going to tell me that Bradford didn't impress you than I have to question your evaluation skills.
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It just depends on what you're willing to take a risk on. Bradford has pinpoint accuracy and decent arm strength while someone like Matthew Stafford had average accuracy and elite arm strength. Then you look at a prospect like Mark Sanchez who falls right in the middle of those two. Obviously there's much more than accuracy and arm strength, but it comes down to what you like most in a prospect.
There's a lot more to consider in looking at a QB than arm strength and accuracy.
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