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In New England, here are some:

RB Laurence Maroney - Has been injured a lot, has never really gotten enough carries to get into a groove, and dances in the backfield. He'll have a chance to be the starter, but if he gets hurt again, I don't see him on the team after this season.

TE Ben Watson - There's talk they're already shopping Watson, and I believe it, now that they've signed Chris Baker and Alex Smith. Cassel ignored Watson, but Brady targeted him a lot in the red zone, so he might still have a chance.

OG Logan Mankins - We already know he's a solid starter, but he was only average last year and needs to improve if he wants a big deal following this season. I'd rather re-sign Wilfork and Seymour over him. He got knocked around by Jenkins last year.

C Dan Koppen - Same thing as Mankins. Al Johnson could actually be the starter because Koppen is too small to block the nose tackles in the division. He's only an average starter. The team also supposedly really liked Eric Wood in the draft.
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Santonio Holmes
I had to highlight over this post looking for a hidden 'just kidding'. I don't follow why you think Holmes has to put up or shut up. He is the 2nd biggest reason the Steelers won the Superbowl.

I was trying to think of a guy, it would have to be a lineman, Stapleton or Kemoeatu with Urbik biting at their heels.
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Max Starks needs to show he can be a consistently good tackle.
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Oakland is easy...

The whole roster except for Miller, Howard, Asomugha, and Lechler.
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For the Jets:

Brad Smith WR
-Talent, talent, and more talent. I hope now that he is actually getting the chance to be a true WR not Mangini's toy, he will prove how good he really is. He's had more than enough time to learn the position.

Kellen Clemens QB
-He was a 2nd round pick who has shown flashes but has lost the off season QB battle for the past 2 years. Now that Sanchez is here he needs to finally show that he is a NFL starting QB before Sanchez gets the chance to start. I've always said he has the potential, but he needs to start playing up to it.
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for the Lions it's everyone. I don't want to hear anything from any Lion who doesn't at least try
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Even Calvin Johnson?
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Even Calvin Johnson?
Even Calvin Johnson. Don't run your mouth if you don't run your ass off first.
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I'll add Richard Seymour to the Pats list already covered by AntoinCD & ROP.

He is in the last year of his contract and needs to show he can string together 2 full, healthy, solid seasons to even have a chance at a contract extension at the advanced age of 31 once we hit October.
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I had to highlight over this post looking for a hidden 'just kidding'. I don't follow why you think Holmes has to put up or shut up. He is the 2nd biggest reason the Steelers won the Superbowl.

I was trying to think of a guy, it would have to be a lineman, Stapleton or Kemoeatu with Urbik biting at their heels.
I put Holmes because he hasn't lived up to his potential just yet. I want him to do good and be consistant a whole season, not just the post season where he started to come around. He had a major downgrade season this past season compared to his second season. I think he will have a great season this year, but he hasn't lived up to the expectations that he gave himself.


Edit: I know I put season a lot in my post but too lazy to edit it.
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I had to highlight over this post looking for a hidden 'just kidding'. I don't follow why you think Holmes has to put up or shut up. He is the 2nd biggest reason the Steelers won the Superbowl.
Uh, about that.
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I agree with all the ones people have put down for the Pats, but I'm going to re-emphasize Laurence Maroney. He has all of the talent in the world and has shown some flashes, but he hasn't been able to stay healthy. Now he's saying things along the lines of "people are disrespecting me for saying I'm soft and injury prone." Well Laurence, put up our shut up. There is not many things I want to see more than Brady come back healthy and Maroney put it all together.

Ben Watson needs to learn how to catch. He, like Maroney, has all of the physical ability in the world but hasn't quite put it together. Watson is always on the field, is pretty durable, and has improved as a blocker though. I just want him to see him become the dynamic receiving threat he has the ability to be.

Koppen is a good one too because a lot of people put his name up there when talking about the game's best centers, but he looked awful at times last year. He got abused by NT's like Jamaal Williams and Casey Hampton, and that may not have been all his fault but he needs to step up this year. He had a great 2007 but definitely took a step back last year.

I'll agree with Seymour, although I think he will have a big year this season. He is in a contract year and when people talk about the prototypical 3-4 end his name is always mentioned. I want to see him stay healthy and be the game changing dominant force Pats fans know him as.

How about Pierre Woods? I know he is still young and was a UDFA, but BB has been raving about the kid's potential ever since he got here. We need one of our young pass rushers to step up and Woods definitely has the ability to do big things for us. If we stick with who we have right now at OLB and we don't get a big year from Woods, Crable, Redd, or Banta-Cain we could be in trouble especially if Adailus goes down.
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SF 49ers: Vernon Davis, TE He posted a blazing 40 time at his Combine that shot him up most teams draft lists & almost guaranteed his being a #1 pick. Injuries held him back earlier, then the turmoil in the front office that culminated in Nolan's firing on 10/21 of last yr, Singletary has stabilized this team now, so excuses have run out for this underachiever TE.
What are you talking about? He had 52 receptions in '07, and 31 last year, in an offense that doesn't utilize a TE. This year, he's in a offense that uses a TE more than most.

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The much publicized public castigation from Singletary in a game when the HC had run out of patience with Davis' arrogant Me 1st attitude + the blown patterns & drops sent him to the bench but I don't think that's his next stop, that would be another team not named the 9ers
That was overblown by the media, any one who follows the Niners knows this. He had to make an example of someone, and he chose Vernon. Hell, even in this year in the off-season he's been one of Vernon's biggest proponents.

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& they drafted Bear Pascoe last month. Pascoe is considered a "blocking TE" & they have Bajema for that too, but Pascoe has better hands than Davis all things considered, is a lot better blocker though considerably slower, & is a local Northern California guy from Fresno St. & a fan fave, so Davis is on notice to retain his job.
1) Bajema was let go, which is why they drafted Pascoe.
2) He is NOT a better blocker than Davis. In fact, Davis is one the best TEs in the league, with regards to blocking skills. He shut down Joey Porter in that Dolphins game, who only got to Hill at the end because Barry Sims is a worthless OT.
3) I would be shocked if they let Vernon walk when his contract runs out. When you've had as little QB stability as we've had, it's not a surprise to see people under-performing.

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Maybe there's something in the Davis family DNA chromosomes that makes them disrespectful by nature & gives them instant attitude toward authority, his younger brother Vontae, the Illinois CB, acquired the bad reputation with the "uncoachable" tag hung on him after his Combine interviews.
When has any one ever questioned Davis' attitude? He's easily one of the hardest workers on the team and no one has complained about him being "uncoachable" since he was drafted. In fact, he has gone easy on the weights this off-season, and slimmed down, so he can be more fluid in his running.

I am not saying that Vernon is being given a free pass on this season, because he's definitely going to have to put up some stats, but you're portraying him far differently than the reality of his situation.
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Uh, about that.
I don't follow....I'm thinking you think he is the sole biggest reason??

If thats the case, I think it goes: Ben, Holmes, Harrison. Just my opinion, I can definitely see why Holmes would be #1 reason in some minds.
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I don't follow....I'm thinking you think he is the sole biggest reason??

If thats the case, I think it goes: Ben, Holmes, Harrison. Just my opinion, I can definitely see why Holmes would be #1 reason in some minds.
1. Harrison
2. Ben
3. Woodley (2 sacks, 1 pass breakup, clipped the **** out of some guy on Harrison's TD. Not legal, but Harrison doesn't score without it. ;))

Sue me. I'm a LaMarr homer.

As good as Holmes' catch was on the GW TD, Roethlisberger's throw was better.
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What are you talking about? He had 52 receptions in '07, and 31 last year, in an offense that doesn't utilize a TE. This year, he's in a offense that uses a TE more than most.


That was overblown by the media, any one who follows the Niners knows this. He had to make an example of someone, and he chose Vernon. Hell, even in this year in the off-season he's been one of Vernon's biggest proponents.


1) Bajema was let go, which is why they drafted Pascoe.
2) He is NOT a better blocker than Davis. In fact, Davis is one the best TEs in the league, with regards to blocking skills. He shut down Joey Porter in that Dolphins game, who only got to Hill at the end because Barry Sims is a worthless OT.
3) I would be shocked if they let Vernon walk when his contract runs out. When you've had as little QB stability as we've had, it's not a surprise to see people under-performing.


When has any one ever questioned Davis' attitude? He's easily one of the hardest workers on the team and no one has complained about him being "uncoachable" since he was drafted. In fact, he has gone easy on the weights this off-season, and slimmed down, so he can be more fluid in his running.

I am not saying that Vernon is being given a free pass on this season, because he's definitely going to have to put up some stats, but you're portraying him far differently than the reality of his situation.
Exactly, Brent! Davis is a Singletary favorite and one of the team leaders. The addition of Bear Pascoe as a blocking specialist allows for Davis to be utilized in an aggressive fashion this season. Davis was only targeted as a receiver about 45 times last season and spent 80+% of the time staying in to block in Martz's deep-drop offensive scheme. New OC Jimmy Raye used Tony Gonzalez beautifully without any other targets on the field and Elvis Grbac throwing him the ball. He will find a way to garner as much production as possible out of Davis. I would still include him on my list because he has, indeed, failed to live up to hype. Unfortunately, he hasn't been given the best of circumstances to do much. He has done quite alot with as few balls as he's been thrown in his young career, but he does need to step up and be a bigger piece of the offensive puzzle.

Other 49ers I would include...

Manny Lawson - OLB - The experimentation and puzzling utilization Mike Nolan employed of Lawson is gone. Coach Greg Manusky promises to allow Lawson to be a 3-down SAM and let him put his hand on the ground, pin his ears back, and rush the passer. If he doesn't take advantage of that opportunity, he will lose his job.

Dashon Goldson - FS - The converted college CB has shown explosive playmaking ability the last few training camps and a ball-hawking FS is something the 49ers have a grave need for. Unfortunately, Goldson has been injury prone an unable to see the field enough to transplant the aging, no-impact Mark Roman. Roman has already been stripped of his role as starting FS and the keys have been handed to Goldson. I expect great things from him if he stays healthy. Sadly, that's a bigger "if" than I'd like.
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Ernest Wilford- The guy was suppose to come in and be our redzone target and a possession guy for us but all he did was stay on the bench or on the inactive list the whole season. Always was getting out performed by the other WR's on the team. Now the coaches are having him work at the TE position some to see if he can add some value there.

Jason Allen- Has all the athletic ability in the world, but he just never seems to get it. Just when you think that little light bulb is finally on, it goes back off.

Paul Soliai- He's an athletic guy for his size and showed some power late last year. He's a guy who never seems like he wants it. Was suspended twice last year but he did rebound late in the season and played decent. Sparano was even impressed with him in the playoff game against the Ravens. Then this offseason he came in overweight.
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I think Jamal Anderson should have a good chance start living up to his potential, if he doesn't he'll no longer be a falcon in a year and I wonder if the giants might not sign him to see if our DEs and DL coach can't get him to tap into that potential.
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for the bears id say Mark Anderson
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Also Nathan Vasher has been pretty publicly called out by the organization about his decline in play since he signed his contract and I would expect him to be cut if he doesn't bounce back.

Tommie Harris is in no danger of being cut anytime soon but I think the Bears are expecting big things out of him this year with Marinelli coaching him up. If he can't stay healthy or productive, I'd have to imagine Jarron Gilbert and Marcus Harrison start getting more attention.
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Alex Smith can be added to the 49ers list also.
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Seattle Seahawks: LoJack - can you pass rush?
Original Matty Ice - got anything left in the tank?
Deion Branch - Can you stay healthy?
Colin Cole - Never did anything in GB to warrant a big contract like that, better step it up.

Kelly Jennings - With Lucas being brought in and Wilson probably being the 3rd CB, Kelly might not see much time. He needs to prove he was worthy of that first rounder.
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David Garrard - If the offensive line and running game improve from last year but he doesn't, then say bye-bye.

John Henderson - He regressed big time last year. He needs to get back to his dominating self or the defense will continue to be porous.

Derrick Harvey/Quinton Groves - They need to continue to improve in their play in order to help the Jaguars' woeful pass rush.

Tony Pashos - His year was a mixed bag. If he doesn't improve in training camp, then he may get ousted by Britton and moved inside. Then the question will be how well he plays inside. If that doesn't work, then he's also "shut up."

Maurice Jones-Drew - He plays at a high level, but can he play as well as a starter? He doesn't represent a red flag as big as the others, but it's something to look out for.

Jack Del Rio - Not a player, but I'm getting the feeling that it's winning record or GTFO for him.
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Willis Mcgahee for the ravens. I am a firm supporter of this guy, but if he runs like he did in the beginning of the year, he is gone next year. I understand he was injured but this guy is hella talented and should be a 1000 yard rusher for us. I have high hopes for this guy and i believe this is his year to shine or to give up the reigns to Ray Rice
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Let me try to think of some for the Rams.

1. Marc Bulger- While I am still a big supporter of him, a huge rift in the fan base has developed over him. If he is good then he can prove that he is just fine and that no QB would be good on these past couple Rams teams. If he struggles again then it will have been three straight poor seasons.

2. Alex Barron- For the most part he would have to be classified as a disappointment, though I don't think he has been as bad as some others do. It's his contract year and h is being moved to LT, which most feel is his natural position. He needs to play better and severly cut down on the penalties.

3. Richie Incognito- Another polarizing player among Rams fans. Some feel that he an idiot, others feel he is just emotional. Some feel he is a plus player, others feel he is a minus player. Well, we'll see this year.

4. Tye Hill- He is probably on his last life with the Rams. He was solid his rookie season, seemed to get better his second season until getting hurt, and was absolutely horrid last year. I still think he could become something, but I'm in the minority.

5. Steven Jackson- As amazing as it may seem, some Rams fans have a problem with him. In my opinion it's because he isn't Marshall Faulk. I'm kidding about having to prove himself though, I mean get real idiotic small segment of Rams fans.
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