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Old 03-15-2010, 08:06 PM    (permalink
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T.J. Rushing is still a Colt to my knowledge, and (as much as it pains me to say this) Tim Jennings can and probably will be resigned. Does that mean that CB shouldn't be addressed at all in this draft? No, but IMO there's no real point in drafting one before Day 3 for the simple fact that they're at best going to be a dimeback for the upcoming season with possible promotion via injury. This team won a Super Bowl with a 4th round pick and a UDFA starting at CB though, so it's not like it's impossible for them to have success at the position with guys that other teams don't value as much.
No, my intention is not to diss Lacey. Both Lacey and Powers are not good tacklers, when compared to Kelvin Hayden and Marlin Jackson, who were our best tacklers. In fact, Tim Jennings tackles better than Lacey and Powers, but he just can't cover.:) My concern is that we lost a physical presence in the nickelback position with the loss of Marlin Jackson though Lacey covers better than Marlin Jackson at times, the physical aspect that would be hard to reproduce unless we draft another physical CB.

With Coyer's sytem not playing your vanilla Cover 2 as much as before, an emphasis on our CBs' versatility could be greater, with a capability to hold their own in man coverage if a blitz happens, Hayden and Powers can, but Lacey is more suited to zone. I sometimes hope we can get all our 3 safeties on the field at the same time playing a 4-2-5 formation sometimes with 3 safeties - Bethea, Bullitt and Sanders since our safeties are as fast as our CBs and they can all be playmakers. It is a nickel of a different kind and is not uncommon and they are better tacklers than our CB thus allowing us to defend the run too since Sanders plays like an LB a lot of times anyway.

T.J.Rushing, along with Tim Jennings and Aaron Francisco, was not tendered. He is not on this roster on the colts.com page:

http://www.colts.com/sub.cfm?page=roster

My biggest concern has been the play of Kelvin Hayden, which has been less than stellar after getting his big contract. If he has another season like last year, God help us!!! I can see Tim Jennings' value with special teams since he is a good tackler and has speed but nothing more than a 4th string CB, I just hope he never sees the field as a CB for us.

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Jerry Hughes.

Not the position that I wanted, but this guy is good.

I want Freeney, Mathis and Hughes on the field at the same time.
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How would you guys feel about Campbell in the 2nd round?
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Jerry Hughes - DE - TCU Horned Frogs - Senior




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Height - 6'1"¾
Weight - 255lbs

Run Defense: Hughes is obviously a massively undersized defensive end and as such his ability to play the run will be a worry. He is promising when he is being blocked by the likes of a Tight End or the Full Back but doesn't have the size to play against Tackles and Guards in the run game. If he can disengage his block he is a solid tackler, wraps up the ball carrier well and can close down even the quickest of backs (which is a good thing when you play both Chris Johnson and Maurice Jones Drew twice every year).

Pass Rush: Hughes engages in a relentless pursuit of the Quarterback on passing downs, and did well at college level against double and triple blocks. He always tries to get his hand to ball when sacking the Quarterback, causing a lot of fumbles (Hughes forced 8 fumbles in his 27 starts at TCU). He is a bit of a one trick pony though in his pass rushing and will need to acquire some new pass rushing moves.

Pass Defense: At TCU Hughes was asked to drop into zone coverage at times (had 4 passes defense, 3 Interceptions and a touchdown). He doesn't have the greatest coverage skill but could cover Tight Ends and Running Backs pretty well if asked.

Others: One of the things that massively stands out about Hughes is his work ethic. He benched 26 reps of the 225lbs at the Combine showing that he spent a fair amount of time in the weight room and was always willing do participate on special teams.

Overall: I like the Hughes pick. He fills a need at backup defensive end and will help keep both Freeney and Mathis healthy by spelling for them during games. He gives the team more leverage with Robert Mathis’ contract up after this year. The key thing about Hughes is that there will be multiple opportunities to get him on the field early. He can play Defensive End, he can play Outside Linebacker, he could probably, giving his quickness and elusiveness, kick inside a play Joker on pass downs as well as the fact that he can and will play on Special Teams. It ticks the three main boxes in my point of view in that he is good value, at a position of need and he can be used straight away.

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Why does every scouting report say he's undersized? He's not tall, but he's got bulk and a low COG, so he's going to be tougher to move than a guy who's 3 inches taller than him and roughly the same weight.
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Like the pick of Hughes. He can help keep Free and Mathis fresh during games. With some coaching from Teerlinck, I don't see any reason this guy can't become as good as Mathis.

Think on day two of the draft Polian targets Amari Spievey late in the 2nd round and somewhere a Tackle in round 3. Draft is shaping up nicely so far.
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Why does every scouting report say he's undersized? He's not tall, but he's got bulk and a low COG, so he's going to be tougher to move than a guy who's 3 inches taller than him and roughly the same weight.
255lbs is small for a Defensive Linemen. I'm not thinking that much about height but it is the weight that is a worry. Look at the other Defensive Ends taking in the 1st yesterday. Graham 268lbs, JPP 270lbs and Morgan 266lbs, all of them are 10lbs heavier than Hughes. He is small and that will be a worry. He does have a good build but regardless of height 255lbs is easier to move than 270lbs.
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255lbs is small for a Defensive Linemen. I'm not thinking that much about height but it is the weight that is a worry. Look at the other Defensive Ends taking in the 1st yesterday. Graham 268lbs, JPP 270lbs and Morgan 266lbs, all of them are 10lbs heavier than Hughes. He is small and that will be a worry. He does have a good build but regardless of height 255lbs is easier to move than 270lbs.
Mathis is sub-250 so with some more bulking (5 lbs. or so) I think Hughes will be just fine. A guy who can play the run and still get to the QB would've been preferable, but we just didn't have a chance to get Brandon Graham.
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Is Corner a potential position we could go for?
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I hope it's not a CB. OL first unless there's just nobody.
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So, Pat Angerer.... looks like the trenches aren't as high up on the Colts Agenda as we thought. If Brown is unhealthy so be it, but he is far too talented to pass at 63 otherwise IMO...
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Angerer.

I've seen him play a lot. Good LB.
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Good LB, but a big need, certainly not IMO. I really would have preferred Charles Brown there, Bill better have a plan for fixing our OL and DT issues
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Bob Sanders
Dallas Clark
Mitch King
Pat Angerer

Iowa is well represented on Colts roster.
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Ugh, not happy with out draft thus far at all, in Polian I trust, but I cant see the master plan right now, hopefully things will become clear when I see our third rounder in the morning...
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UKfan, it's really Bill Polian being Bill Polian.

"Stick strickly to your board."

Clearly, BPA.

I agree with you that neither position was the weakest, but more speed on defense never hurts.
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Bruce Campbell is the top guy on my board by far right now.

I don't care if he is raw. He is very good value in the 3rd round.
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Kevin Thomas.

Still not adressing the OL, but we needed a CB.
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After an awesome steal of a pick in round one I am very disappointed in our 2nd and 3rd rounders. Pat Angerer was a reach at that spot IMO. There were several available OL and DT prospects that were both bigger needs and better overall values. Obviously Polian is going by his own board. I doubt Angerer does anything except on special teams this season. We could've had Charles Brown, Jared Veldheer, Morgan Burnett, John Jerry, Navorro Bowman, Mike Johnson, etc. All guys that IMO are a better value and/or fit a bigger need. As for Kevin Thomas I know very little about him. From what I've read he is injury prone, bad at tackling, has no return skills, and was unproductive as a 1 year starter at USC. Doesn't sound like much of a prospect to me. At least he is taller than Tim Jennings.

At this point my BPAs that fit (in order of preference) are

- Bruce Campbell - Raw, but maybe not as much as his reputation says. His ceiling is higher than any other OT in this draft. I think he will try hard, too.
- Jason Fox - easily worth a 4th rounder to improve the OL, I think he'd be an improvement over anyone on the roster at LT
- Geno Atkins - We could use UT depth, he's a proven penetrator.
- Everson Griffen - I don't think he'll do much but for a 4th his potential is a worthwhile risk. Maybe dropping to the 4th or later will light a fire under his ass. He could be the best DE in this class if he just tried.
- Reshad Jones, Kam Chancellor, and Larry Asante - We need S depth
- Michael Hoomanawanui - Blocking TE with decent hands would help the run game
- Domonique Franks, Akwasi Owusu-Ansah, Donovan Warren, Perrish Cox - All are better CB prospects than Thomas, some of them can return kicks/punts.
- Greg Hardy, Arthur Moats, and O'Brien Schofield - could take Keyunta Dawson's spot
- Roddrick Muckelroy, Dekoda Watson - Solid LB depth and likely good special teamers.
- Jacoby Ford - A returns guy who can also play WR fairly well
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Jason Fox went right before us.
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