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Old 04-24-2010, 01:25 PM    (permalink
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Brody Eldridge, blocking TE.

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Can he play DT or OT? Please? :( am a sad panda right now
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On paper this has been a very bad draft for the Colts. I am trying to not get upset about it.
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and in the 7th we take another DE and LB. So once again our O-line will suck and we wont be able to stop the run with our DT's, fantastic...
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and in the 7th we take another DE and LB. So once again our O-line will suck and we wont be able to stop the run with our DT's, fantastic...
Ricardo Matthews will play Tackle, not End in the NFL. He's nearly 300lbs.
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Pat Angerer - LB - Iowa Hawkeyes - Red Shirted Senior




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Height - 6'0"¼
Weight - 235lbs

Run Defense: Angerer is a real sideline-to-sideline Linebacker and can play really well in space. Giving his small size Angerer has trouble disengaging his blocks and gets caught in traffic if the Linemen can't keep the blockers off him for him to play better. He isn't a forceful tackler but will wrap up the ball carrier and doesn't miss a lot of tackles. His ability to make plays him space mean that he can play Weakside Linebacker as well.

Pass Rush: Angerer wasn't asked to blitz much in Iowa and he has trouble disengaging from his blocks so he probably won't be asked to rush much in Indy.

Pass Defense: Angerer can recognise the pass very quickly and plays well in zones. He has a good awareness of the ball and has an eye for an interception. He lines up against multiple types of receivers, not just Tight Ends or Running Backs.

Others: Angerer is a real blue collar linebacker and will be a special teams ace.

Overall: Angerer gets after the ball carrier, plays well in space and is very good in coverage. Angerer will backup at both Middle and Weakside Linebacker and gives the team the ability to not resign Clint Session who's contract is up at the end of the 2010 season. He will also be a key special teams player.

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Kevin Thomas – CB – USC Trojans - Red Shirted Senior




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Height - 6'0"
Weight - 192lbs

Run Defense: Thomas is very active in run support, fighting through blocks from Receivers and getting to the ball carrier quickly. He is a good open-field tackle but he does have a tendency to lunge at the ball carrier. He isn't a heavy hitter but takes good angles.

Pass Defense: Thomas is definitely better in zone coverage than in man coverage, especially against elite receivers. He struggles to turn and keep up with faster receivers but does have decent recovery speed. In zone he is an alert back who breaks on the ball well. He doesn't bite often on play action.

Others: Thomas is a hard worker who spent lots of hours in both the weight room and more importantly the film room. He had a very good senior campaign and good be blossoming into a very good player. He does have some durability problems which is a worry in the overly physical Tampa 2 Cornerback position.

Overall: Thomas is a very good player who has the sort of personality and drive that the Colts love to have in the locker room. He wasn’t a significant reach (I had him at a mid to high 4th Round pick on my last board) and fits a need. He will probably start as the Dime Cornerback and will need to be able to play some Special Teams but I expect him to quickly replace Lacey as the Nickle Cornerback if he can stay healthy.

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Jacques McClendon – OG - Tennessee Volunteers - Senior




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Height - 6'3"¼
Weight - 324lbs

Pass Blocking: McClendon has the build to play well against bull rushing Nose Tackles and should do well against the new 3-4 craze that is taking the league by storm but he really struggles against more finesse defensive linemen.

Run Blocking: McClendon is a big road grader. He is short, powerful and extremely explosive off the snap. He doesn’t pull out that well though and struggles to set up blocks out wide or down field. He will be a very effective lead blocker for interior runs though.

Others: He is a very versatile player, playing both Left and Right Guard, as well as spells at Left Tackle, and is considered by many scouts to have the intelligent and awareness to move to Center. Despite playing a lot of games at Tennessee McClendon never really entrenched himself as a starter there. He carries a lot of weight and had some conditioning issues in college.

Overall: McClendon is a really intriguing pick and is a massive indicator of the new Offensive Line philosophy that the team are running. He will be a monster in the run game but his problems in the pass gaming are worrying, as his inability to properly condition. He tired too quickly in College and could struggle in the pace of an NFL offense. He will initially be a backup player (but can backup multiple positions) but with better conditioning and working with the coaching staff and players he could be a very good Lineman for the Colts in the future. I am concerned about how high we drafted him. I have McClendon as a bottom of the 7th, possibly an UDFA, on my board and to draft him in the 4th Round seems like a major reach. I do hear that other teams, especially the Steelers, were interested in him and maybe Bill Polian didn’t feel that he could wait much longer on him.

Grade: D
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Brody Eldridge – TE - Oklahoma Sooners – Red Shirted Senior




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Height - 6'4"¾
Weight - 261lbs

Pass Catching: You need to remember one key thing about Eldridge. This is no Dallas Clark. Hell this isn’t even a Gijon Robinson. His hands aren’t that good and he doesn’t run good routes but he will be a decent red-zone target with his size and his ability to fight for that extra yard or two.

Blocking: This is why we drafted him. Mike Mayock describes Brody Eldridge as the best blocking Tight End in the draft. He is good at setting the edge and will win almost any one-on-one matchup against both Defensive Ends and Linebackers. He plays to the whistle and gets down field to open up running lanes for receivers after the catch.

Others: Trent Williams, the 4th Overall Pick, described Eldridge as a better blocker than he is. He is versatile and played multiple roles in college, including Tight End, Full Back, Center and Guard. He has the frame that if the team think wants a project then he could potentially transition to Left Tackle. He is tough and played through a couple of smaller injuries during college.

Overall: Brody Eldridge is exactly the sort of player the Colts needed to go out and get. He won’t contribute much in pass catching (but we have Reggie Wayne, Dallas Clark, Anthony Gonzales, Pierre Garcon, Austin Collie, Joseph Addai and Donald Brown on the roster so I don’t think we need that many more pass catchers). He adds something the Colts don’t have... an elite Run Blocker. His versatility could see the team projecting him to Offensive Tackle but I love his value at H-Back.

Grade: A
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People missed the boat on McClendon, and he had at least 5 visits with teams, including the Steelers. He set the weight lifting record at UT, and if there's a developmental OG that I'd like in this Draft, it's McClendon (His teammate Vladimir Richard, who was hurt last year and missed games, is up there too and should be on people's UDFA list). He could even develop into a very good Center as well.

Through the '07 and '08 seasons, he and the rest of the online gave up only 7 Sacks total - that's through two seasons in the SEC. Started all 13 games at RG last year and played well despite having a walk on to the right of him at Center and a new starter and toward the end of the season a RS freshman to the right of him at RT. He's got great size too. The downside if he has conditioning issues, slow feet, and probably projects more to a power-blocking scheme. He was a reach in the 4th RD, but he was a draftable player in my view and if ya'll want more push in the run game and a guy that has tons of experience in a pro-style offense, then McClendon can do that. I think he can make a very good Guard and maybe Center for ya'll.
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Seamus I can't agree with your grades on the pics at all, Angerer maybe a C, Thomas a D probably the same for McClendon too...
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Angerer will be a good player, he was just a bad pick. Overdrafted by 1+ round when there were better values at positions of higher need.
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Exactly, I dont mind the player so much, but with Charles Brown sitting there at round 2, that seems an absolute no brainer to me...
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255lbs is small for a Defensive Linemen. I'm not thinking that much about height but it is the weight that is a worry. Look at the other Defensive Ends taking in the 1st yesterday. Graham 268lbs, JPP 270lbs and Morgan 266lbs, all of them are 10lbs heavier than Hughes. He is small and that will be a worry. He does have a good build but regardless of height 255lbs is easier to move than 270lbs.
Ask Michael Strahan and Jason Taylor if 255 is too small to be a capable all around DE in the NFL. They're both 6'5"+ too.
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I've started a new thread for Undrafted FA.

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Here are videos of Polian and Caldwell describing each pick:

Hughes
http://www.colts.com/sub.cfm?page=vi...e-efbf19cf536e

Angerer
http://www.colts.com/sub.cfm?page=vi...0-290e72a1c64f

Thomas
http://www.colts.com/sub.cfm?page=vi...1-6e7c3d6b00f6

McClendon and Eldridge
http://www.colts.com/sub.cfm?page=vi...7-ccba57a3549e

Mathews, Conner and Fisher
http://www.colts.com/sub.cfm?page=vi...1-6130261ebca3


Some interesting notes:

- Mathews is viewed as Brock's replacement, a specialist who could play at either DE or DT depending on situation. Personally, I like King to be that guy, but only because I've seen King play. If Mathews is better then so be it.

- Bill thinks Fisher can be a KR, PR, ST gunner and a CB backup. Brandon James will probably give him a run for his money.

- Bill sounded very enthusiastic about the UFA class they are bringing in. We'll see.

- They think McClendon can compete for starting spot from day 1, but mentioned that several players will be considered.

- BP compared Conner to Session. I hope so.

- BP didn't like the OTs that were there after the first round. "OT class was VERY thin." Hmmm, I guess some of us we'll disagree with that, but Bill knows best. That sucks though, I really wanted a talented OT out of this class, maybe more then any other position.

- Clearly they want to improve run-blocking greatly.

- Hughes won't only be a situational DE. Sounds like he'll play some standing up also. BP also mentioned that Hughes was the last prospect they had on their board with 1st-round grade.

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Ask Michael Strahan and Jason Taylor if 255 is too small to be a capable all around DE in the NFL. They're both 6'5"+ too.
Yes and Michael Strahan dropped to the 40th pick overall, and Jason Taylor dropped to the 73rd pick overall. Probably because people were worried about 255lbs defensive linemen. They proved them wrong. I hope to all things good and holy in this world that Hughes proves me wrong and shows that he is a stout run defender too. But most people his size aren't.
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Seamus I can't agree with your grades on the pics at all, Angerer maybe a C, Thomas a D probably the same for McClendon too...
Angerer is a slight reach, which is why it is B and not an A, Thomas is a talented player, at a position of need for pretty decent value. I don't see the problem with giving him a B.
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Thomas and McClendon sound like talented projects.
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Yes and Michael Strahan dropped to the 40th pick overall, and Jason Taylor dropped to the 73rd pick overall. Probably because people were worried about 255lbs defensive linemen. They proved them wrong. I hope to all things good and holy in this world that Hughes proves me wrong and shows that he is a stout run defender too. But most people his size aren't.
Everyone in the Colts front office for the past 12 or so years has also made their living off of capitalizing on the "undersized" label, so you should know that that's not a concern for them. Also, given the fact that Hughes is about 6'2", he's about proportionately equivalent to a 6'6" 270 DE. Don't discount that low COG either, when you're playing on the line, low man wins, and guys like Thomas, Gaither, McNeill, etc. are going to have difficulty being low man against Hughes, just like they've had that same difficulty against Freeney and Mathis for years now.
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Exactly, I dont mind the player so much, but with Charles Brown sitting there at round 2, that seems an absolute no brainer to me...
I think the reason that Polian didn't want to draft Brown was that compared to most LTs he has a significant weakness in run-blocking. For a team that's trying to improve this trait, this pick could go against the goal they're trying to achieve.

That said, it's a valid argument that, there are 5 spots on the O-line, and we can run behind 4 of them. Let's use one to make sure we pass-block well.

I had a random thought after reading about Eldridge. Oftentimes as I read about the top LTs in the draft, they're sometimes tight ends that are converted to OTs, since they tend to have above average agility for their size. That said, how much of a leap is it to make Eldridge a long-term LT prospect?

Eldridge is the best or near best blocker at an elite college program, he's 6-5 260, and he's played most of the positions along that O-line, which would lead me to think he's a quick learner, and willing to work extra to fill the needs of the team.

Maybe he'd need 2 years to gain 20-30 pounds & work on his technique. But this is Charlie's contract year, so Polian's got to decide what to do with him. It's a somewhat common practice for college programs, what's to stop the Colts from doing it?

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I don't know.

Keep in mind that College teams get their players out of HS and with a big roster they can afford to let a player just get bigger.

It's much more difficult to go through that process in the NFL. If you are on the roster, you need to contribute.

Not to mention that it really depend on the person. Some have easier time gaining weight then others.

I doubt that Colts drafted him to convert him to OT.
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Damnit. The one guy out of this draft, other then Hughes, that I was excited about.

Figures.
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Why have we not gone after Ciron black yet? Wish we would have taken Selvish Capers in the 6th put him at guard. Mclendon pick is a complete flop. The raiders outdrafted us
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