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Old 07-14-2009, 09:49 AM    (permalink
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I mean the guy was the only person willing to actually hold on and catch the ball in the playoffs and he was playing with a dislocated left shoulder and could only catch the ball by trapping it between his arm and his right shoulder pad, that is a warrior.
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Old 07-14-2009, 09:51 AM    (permalink
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If Flacco has to depend on Derrick Mason for his success as a future quarterback, then he isn't a very good quarterback to begin with. Regardless if his other receivers aren't as good as Mason, it will be evident who struggles more: Flacco or his targets his throwing the ball to. If it's the targets, then at least you know Flacco is doing his job well and it's his supporting cast that needs to be upgraded. If it's the other way around, then Flacco wasn't that good in the first place.
You're absolutly correct. However, I do think Flacco will be fine, but it is going to take him a while to find a new go to guy. I think it is going to be Todd Heap, he still has the skills to be a top TE, he just wasn't utilized the right way last year.
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Still Todd Heap can't stretch the field. If all you do is dink and dunk all day with no vertical threat eventually the DB's will guess on breaks and pick the ball off. Even if Heap returns to pro bowl form which is unlikely as he has lost a lot of explosion, this passing game is still in big time trouble with no consistent threat on the edges.
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Well this sucks. I loved watching Mason last year. It seemed like he was making ridiculous catches in every game.
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Still Todd Heap can't stretch the field. If all you do is dink and dunk all day with no vertical threat eventually the DB's will guess on breaks and pick the ball off. Even if Heap returns to pro bowl form which is unlikely as he has lost a lot of explosion, this passing game is still in big time trouble with no consistent threat on the edges.
yeah I agree, but Heap can atleast give the Ravens some help over the middle, Clayton could probably duplicate what Mason did on the sidelines, at a much lower level of production however, and Demetrius Williams, if healthy can be their deep threat. Hopefully, Mason's departure will get these younger WR's to step up. (i.e Clayton, Williams, Smith) and also get Ozzie Newsome to bring is Amani Toomer. I would love him.
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Toomer still got it, he's a clutch receiver, probably move the chains on third down, would be a great #2 for Joe Flacco, hopefully Clayton would be able to take over the #1 successfully.
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Toomer still got it, he's a clutch receiver, probably move the chains on third down, would be a great #2 for Joe Flacco, hopefully Clayton would be able to take over the #1 successfully.
There's Amani Toomer, Ike Hilliard, Marvin Harrison (not a #1 or #2 but decent depth), Drew Carter, Koren Robinson, Ashley Lelie, Justin McCareins, Jerry Porter, Tab Perry, and Marty Booker.
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There's Amani Toomer, Ike Hilliard, Marvin Harrison (not a #1 or #2 but decent depth), Drew Carter, Koren Robinson, Ashley Lelie, Justin McCareins, Jerry Porter, Tab Perry, and Marty Booker.
My favorites out of that bunch would have to be Toomer, Harrison, and Porter.

Hilliard I guess is a clutch 3rd down guy, he is one of the slowest receivers in the game right now. McCareins for me is a slot guy.

I really wouldn't want anyone else starting.
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Toomer and Harrison are really the only "good" options moving forward. The Ravens should have tried to add some young depth in the draft seeing as of now their WR group is quited depleted.
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Mason was a class act, wasn't a primadonna WR like some others, just went out and did his job, and was of the most underrated WR's in the league. 8 seasons as a Titan, and he never had an issue with the coaching staff or the QB. He just produced and stayed on the field. Sad to see him go
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Mason was a class act, wasn't a primadonna WR like some others, just went out and did his job, and was of the most underrated WR's in the league. 8 seasons as a Titan, and he never had an issue with the coaching staff or the QB. He just produced and stayed on the field. Sad to see him go
Yes he was a primadonna WR he just didn't do it to the extent of TO or Ocho. Clayton's second year he was taking over the #1 WR job and Mason went to the media and cried about he needed the ball more, and the offense would be better with him getting the ball more. Well once he started getting the ball more our Offense began to suck balls again, and it ruined the maturation of Mark Clayton.
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Yes he was a primadonna WR he just didn't do it to the extent of TO or Ocho. Clayton's second year he was taking over the #1 WR job and Mason went to the media and cried about he needed the ball more, and the offense would be better with him getting the ball more. Well once he started getting the ball more our Offense began to suck balls again, and it ruined the maturation of Mark Clayton.
Probably not the consensus opinion, although good to know. I have always waited for Clayton to break out, he doesn't have every tangible in the book but seems like a reliable wideout who should be doing better than he has so far.
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well like ERU said Clayton out produced Mason in 2006, then Mason complained and its been all mason ever since. I think Clayton can do well
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I know porter stunk in Jacksonville but you would think there's at least one team out there in need of a slot guy.
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There's gotta be some injury issues in play, plus he would never be a slot. For the Ravens, who knows now that they're in a bind but there are other guys floating around.
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If we do sign anybody, which Im actually against right now, I hope its after D Will and Clayton and Marcus Smith are given a chance to prove they can do it. Personally I got faith in the young guys, plus we have guys like Justin Harper who we drafted last year that I still believe in, and guys like Isaiah Williams (UDFA from MD) and Eron Riley (UDFA from Duke) who I think could both have what it takes to develop into decent lower depth chart options. I know everyone will disagree with this, but we'll never know what these guys can do if we don't give them a chance to shine.
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that is a good point ERU, also I am really high on that guy Eron Riley due to the fact he is a complete physical freak. But I would like a nice veteran prescence in the WR corps. Just because that WR corp is real young
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Yes he was a primadonna WR he just didn't do it to the extent of TO or Ocho. Clayton's second year he was taking over the #1 WR job and Mason went to the media and cried about he needed the ball more, and the offense would be better with him getting the ball more. Well once he started getting the ball more our Offense began to suck balls again, and it ruined the maturation of Mark Clayton.
Saying that Mason contributed to Clayton not progressing would be inaccurate. Many other WR's in the NFL have developed as a #2 who played second fiddle next to a #1 WR. If anything, having a veteran WR across from him would benefit Clayton. Mason isn't exactly drawing double teams, but to an opposing Defense, Mason was the top receiving threat to try to stop. It's just wrong.

In Clayton's rookie season in '06, Steve McNair was the QB. With consistancy and experience at the QB position, Clayton led the Ravens WR's. In '07, McNair was injured and was inactive for 10 games. Kyle Boller had the most playing time at QB, and Clayton's numbers dropped while Mason's increased. In '08, Clayton had a rookie QB passing to him yet despite that his numbers increased.

He's basically had 3 different QB's passing to him over the past 3 years. If there's an excuse for him not building off of his rookie season, it's that.
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Saying that Mason contributed to Clayton not progressing would be inaccurate. Many other WR's in the NFL have developed as a #2 who played second fiddle next to a #1 WR. If anything, having a veteran WR across from him would benefit Clayton. Mason isn't exactly drawing double teams, but to an opposing Defense, Mason was the top receiving threat to try to stop. It's just wrong.

In Clayton's rookie season in '06, Steve McNair was the QB. With consistancy and experience at the QB position, Clayton led the Ravens WR's. In '07, McNair was injured and was inactive for 10 games. Kyle Boller had the most playing time at QB, and Clayton's numbers dropped while Mason's increased. In '08, Clayton had a rookie QB passing to him yet despite that his numbers increased.

He's basically had 3 different QB's passing to him over the past 3 years. If there's an excuse for him not building off of his rookie season, it's that.

Clayton's rookie year McNair wasn't here, it was Clayton's second year that he started to become a #1 and then Mason complained and forced his hand to keep Clayton behind him.
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Clayton's rookie year McNair wasn't here, it was Clayton's second year that he started to become a #1 and then Mason complained and forced his hand to keep Clayton behind him.
I gotcha. Well, it went Boller/Anthony Wright, McNair, Boller/McNair, then Flacco. My mistake.

Nevertheless, I still don't see how Mason asking for more passes would stunt Clayton when they're both on the field at the same time. Besides, Mason has been the better WR. If Clayton were better, he would've been the #1 option despite Mason's complaining. Billick lost his job last offseason, so one would think that he'd place his own job above a player's ego.

I just don't think he's to blame, and think this is just another example of passionate ERU trashing a player leaving the Ravens. ;)
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good points, maybe his drop off is from lack of a experienced QB. But regardless I think Clayton can replace Mason well
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good points, maybe his drop off is from lack of a experienced QB. But regardless I think Clayton can replace Mason well
I think Mason will be missed on 3rd Down situations, but Mark Clayton is a veteran WR now and can make plays. You guys have a great OL, a stable of quality RB's, and a talented, young QB with a cannon for an arm. I don't see why Clayton wouldn't be able to replace Mason in such an advantageous situation. Although, someone would then have to step up as the #2 WR...
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I think Mason will be missed on 3rd Down situations, but Mark Clayton is a veteran WR now and can make plays. You guys have a great OL, a stable of quality RB's, and a talented, young QB with a cannon for an arm. I don't see why Clayton wouldn't be able to replace Mason in such an advantageous situation. Although, someone would then have to step up as the #2 WR...
I have to agree Mason was amazing at just moving the chains. He always knew how to get the first. Mason was even saying that Clayton reminds him of a younger version of himself. I think that him and Clayton are similar players and now that Mason is gone Clayton will slide into Masons role, albeit in a less productive fashion.
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I just don't think he's to blame, and think this is just another example of passionate ERU trashing a player leaving the Ravens. ;)
You are entitled to your opinion, but Im really not that mad at Mason leaving its the way he did it. I was against giving him a contract extension because I lost all respect for him after goin to the media when he is nowhere near the level of TO, Randy Moss, Steve Smith or Ocho. Got a little respect back for him in the Dallas game, but deep down I always knew he was selfish and his actions here have just reaffirmed that.
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