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Old 07-18-2009, 05:31 PM    (permalink
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To echo what others may have said, Slaton has the better chance of having the better statistical season. He's not splitting carries like Johnson will be. Nevertheless, I think CJ will be the more impressive RB.



Slaton was just as streaky as Johnson was. Especially during the first half of the season. Not to mention Slaton was allotted more carries per game. I think CJ only had one game all season where he had over 20 carries, and that was an OverTime game against Green Bay. During regulation time, he only had 19 carries.



The Titans run a ZBS as well. ;)
Not exactly the same system ;)
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Considering Forte was practically the entire Chicago Bears offense and faced nothing but 8 or more in the box, he deserves some more respect than this. He had more total yards than both Slaton and Johnson as well as more TD's and is a better receiver.

Sure, he had more opportunities, but he had a ****** line, no WR's, and a mediocre at best QB... don't forget about the fact our D sucked ass as well.
Does the thread title say best 2nd year RB? Nope? That's because it was a discussion about Slaton and Chris Johnson. Not Matt Forte.
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Not exactly the same system ;)
You're right...

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As good as slaton is and as good as lenwhale is becoming, I think Johnson will have the better year.

I can see Collins maintaining the starting position for quite a while which means a lot of runs, the Tennessee defense is also a lot better than Houston's so they'll be more likely to be running late in the game.
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Does the thread title say best 2nd year RB? Nope? That's because it was a discussion about Slaton and Chris Johnson. Not Matt Forte.
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My bads ya'll.
It's all good our brotha'! Actually, the RB class last season was so outstanding, it'd be an insult to pick a singular best RB from the group right now. I mean there's Forte, Slaton, and CJ, plus Jonathan Stewart, Felix Jones, Darren McFadden, Rashard Mendenhall, Kevin Smith, and then tack on guys like Jamaal Charles, Ray Rice, Tim Hightower, and Benjarvus Green-Ellis.

It's nuckin' futts is what it is!


This poll isn't close enough...
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Well, I voted for Slaton... mainly because I can understand him when he talks and he doesn't, at least that I've seen, dress like some gangsta raper.

Plus, I think he's got a better attitude than Chris Johnson.
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Slaton has a much better shot at duplicating his performance than Johnson. Teams will stack the box against Tennessee and force Collins into beating them through the air. Until he shows he can win a lot of games through his passing, teams will defend the run 1st which could negatively affect Johnson.
Houston has a dual offense, dangerous both passing and running so Slaton won't face defenses which will concentrate solely on him. He'll have plenty of running lanes.
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Well, I voted for Slaton... mainly because I can understand him when he talks and he doesn't, at least that I've seen, dress like some gangsta raper.
Call me a homer, but I'm 99% positive that CJ doesn't rape gangsters. ;)

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Slaton has a much better shot at duplicating his performance than Johnson. Teams will stack the box against Tennessee and force Collins into beating them through the air. Until he shows he can win a lot of games through his passing, teams will defend the run 1st which could negatively affect Johnson.
Houston has a dual offense, dangerous both passing and running so Slaton won't face defenses which will concentrate solely on him. He'll have plenty of running lanes.
I scoff at your baseless accusations good sir!

Did you not think that teams would've done that last season? The most blatant example was against Chicago. They sold out to stop the run, and they did so by causing CJ to average 0.6 YPC and LenWhale to average 1.4 YPC.

Collins then went on to pass for 289-yards, 2 TD's, a completion percentage of 73.2% at 7.0 YPA, and ended the day at Soldier Field with a QB rating of 108.7.

The Titans went 13-3 last year with the passing of Collins and the running of CJ and LenWhale. How is that not a pattern of success?
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thats because the bears suck at defending slants. they allowed a **** load of slants
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Yeah. Brandon Jones had a good day on those, but only because that's the only route Jones has success at.
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Why? One reason, ZBS. Slaton is not up there in terms of talent, but he has good vision and speed, so he can see the holes and pick up some nice yardage. I think he has a better year statistically.
Statistically.

Thats the key.

I mean, also going 60/40 with lenwhale won't help.
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I can't shake this feeling that the Titans are in for a disappointing year. That said, both Slaton and Johnson will have big seasons. I pick Slaton, because the Titans are one inevitable slump from Kerry Collins away from facing nine in the box every play.
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That is false CJ rapes everybody.
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No doubt Slaton. He's the main guy who is playing in the perfect scheme. He's on the field on every down and has one of the top passing games in the NFL supporting him. With Chris Johnson he plays one of the most lop sided offenses in the NFL. Teams know they want to run the ball. With Collins inability to stretch the field vertically teams just stack the box on CJ. That and Lendale will still get just as many carries.
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I scoff at your baseless accusations good sir!

Did you not think that teams would've done that last season? The most blatant example was against Chicago. They sold out to stop the run, and they did so by causing CJ to average 0.6 YPC and LenWhale to average 1.4 YPC.

Collins then went on to pass for 289-yards, 2 TD's, a completion percentage of 73.2% at 7.0 YPA, and ended the day at Soldier Field with a QB rating of 108.7.

The Titans went 13-3 last year with the passing of Collins and the running of CJ and LenWhale. How is that not a pattern of success?
You need to look carefully at Tennessee's schedule my friend. Their SOS was the weakest in the NFL last year and they won't be facing that cakewalk schedule this coming season. The schedule in the NFL allows for 6 to 8 new teams to reach the playoffs every year but those teams without franchise QB's almost never repeat their playoff run and are prime candidates to fall by the wayside. That is the pattern of the NFL and I fully expect Tennessee to follow this pattern into oblivion for the coming year.
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Slayton, because Houston's offense is based on passing which will open things up for him. And because teams have film on Johnson now and will be better prepared for him. And because Chris Johnson is obnoxious.
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Steven Slaton. Several factors: the amount of touches proportional to total offensive plays will be in favor of Slaton, the offensive line's year of growing together, the health of Schaub in association with the passing game that will be opened up allowing for a more dynamic offense in Houston. More pluses for Houston's offense compared to where will the drastic improvements in the Titan's offense come from?
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Slayton, because Houston's offense is based on passing which will open things up for him. And because teams have film on Johnson now and will be better prepared for him. And because Chris Johnson is obnoxious.
Sorry, couldn't help but chuckle a bit there.

"Ok guys, the film clearly shows how we stop Chris Johnson - we just gotta run a crap load faster!"

In all seriousness though, is this even a legit approach to containing a RB? So much of what a RB does is in real time, adjusting to what he sees in front of him develop, not to mention D's are facing a total running attack, not just a single running back. There is no magic formation to stop a RB derived from film study.

Oh and I'm pretty sure Slaton has been caught on film too - I mean if the frame rate can capture Chris Johnson, it can nab Slaton ;)
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Sorry, couldn't help but chuckle a bit there.

"Ok guys, the film clearly shows how we stop Chris Johnson - we just gotta run a crap load faster!"

In all seriousness though, is this even a legit approach to containing a RB? So much of what a RB does is in real time, adjusting to what he sees in front of him develop, not to mention D's are facing a total running attack, not just a single running back. There is no magic formation to stop a RB derived from film study.

Oh and I'm pretty sure Slaton has been caught on film too - I mean if the frame rate can capture Chris Johnson, it can nab Slaton ;)
That's why LT will be bad this year man. Finally have tape on him.
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That's why LT will be bad this year man. Finally have tape on him.
For Brian Westbrook, being injured all the time is all part of the plan. Less time on the field = less tape of him. Genius.
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It's difficult to stop a running back by watching tape when you've got michael roos mauling your ass too.

It's not just back we should be looking at but the lines as well and Tenn is FAR superior to Houston.
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Considering Forte was practically the entire Chicago Bears offense and faced nothing but 8 or more in the box, he deserves some more respect than this. He had more total yards than both Slaton and Johnson as well as more TD's and is a better receiver.

Sure, he had more opportunities, but he had a ****** line, no WR's, and a mediocre at best QB... don't forget about the fact our D sucked ass as well.
Oh please, everyone has to turn everything into a freaking homer fest, it's between Slaton and CJ, two smaller speed backs who had similiar stats.


Forte has no reason to be in this duscussion so you guys can stop with the "deserves more respect" stuff.
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