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Old 07-27-2009, 07:11 AM    (permalink
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Default And the Worst Off-Season in NFL History Continues

With the "Un-Expected" non-signing of Knowshon Moreno (And without mention of Ayers, who hasn't signed either) the Denver Broncos have promised their fans that they really don't have any way of turning this season into a surprise.

I am trying so hard to stay positive, I really am, but this makes it harder.

This is clearly one of the most abysmal organizations in the sport now.
I mean I can understand not signing a first round pick. But both Ayers and Moreno? The players we need most? It sucks to be a Broncos fan right now

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_12920210

Edit: The good news is we have been very productive in signing 8 of 10 rookies before OTA's...
The Bad News is none of those 8 players are named Robert Ayers or Knowshon Moreno.

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Old 07-27-2009, 07:24 AM    (permalink
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at least their players are staying out of jail cells

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Old 07-27-2009, 07:48 AM    (permalink
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Give it some time. Moreno will be fine if he misses the first 2 or 3 days. Interesting choice of #27 as his jersey number.

Btw the young cornerback who most caught my eye last season? Probably Andre Goodman of the Miami Dolphins, who the Broncos signed in the offseason. Keep an eye on him.


I was kind of saving this for something, but I guess I'll post this here:

Everyone thinks the trade for Alphonso Smith is so terrible. I don't think it necessarily is, actually. Maybe even genius? They traded what is probably a Top 10, if not really a Top 5 (or 3?) pick in the 2010 Draft for a second round pick in Alphonso Smith.

They acquired a 1st round talent (imo) and saved $30-50 million in doing it.

Let's say for the sake of example that the Broncos have the 5th overall pick next year.
2007 5th overall Levi Brown: 6 years, base value $37.47M, max value $61.95M, guaranteed $18.05M.
2008 5th overall Glenn Dorsey: 5 years, base $33M, max $55.5M, guaranteed $22.5M.
2009 5th overall Marc Sanchez: 5 years, base $44.5M, likely $50.5M, max $60M, guaranteed $28M.
and then compare that to
2009 37th overall Alphonso Smith: 4 years, $4.08M with $2.15M signing bonus.
That money saved could go to a Brandon Marshall extension or signing a major impact free agent (like Vince Wilfork!) next summer. The key is spending that money saved though.

Also acquiring Smith and Goodman might perhaps lead to trading Bailey next year, which means additional assets.
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welcome to the 'real world' of football economics... and what it takes to actually survive and grow.

first round draft picks, especially high draft picks, are ruinious... look at detroit, and how many years, how many picks they've picked, and wasted, and got killed financially over.
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first round draft picks, especially high draft picks, are ruinious... look at detroit, and how many years, how many picks they've picked, and wasted, and got killed financially over.
Ford Motor Co. ain't doing so hot either.
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It is going to be hilarious if the Broncos surprise all of us and do well.
HA. I'm actually on that bandwagon. Hop on.
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Matt Millen killed the automobile industry?
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I like that idea as well, I don't like the Eagles at all but I've always been a fan of Dawkins.
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Give it some time. Moreno will be fine if he misses the first 2 or 3 days. Interesting choice of #27 as his jersey number.

Btw the young cornerback who most caught my eye last season? Probably Andre Goodman of the Miami Dolphins, who the Broncos signed in the offseason. Keep an eye on him.


I was kind of saving this for something, but I guess I'll post this here:

Everyone thinks the trade for Alphonso Smith is so terrible. I don't think it necessarily is, actually. Maybe even genius? They traded what is probably a Top 10, if not really a Top 5 (or 3?) pick in the 2010 Draft for a second round pick in Alphonso Smith.

They acquired a 1st round talent (imo) and saved $30-50 million in doing it.

Let's say for the sake of example that the Broncos have the 5th overall pick next year.
2007 5th overall Levi Brown: 6 years, base value $37.47M, max value $61.95M, guaranteed $18.05M.
2008 5th overall Glenn Dorsey: 5 years, base $33M, max $55.5M, guaranteed $22.5M.
2009 5th overall Marc Sanchez: 5 years, base $44.5M, likely $50.5M, max $60M, guaranteed $28M.
and then compare that to
2009 37th overall Alphonso Smith: 4 years, $4.08M with $2.15M signing bonus.
That money saved could go to a Brandon Marshall extension or signing a major impact free agent (like Vince Wilfork!) next summer. The key is spending that money saved though.

Also acquiring Smith and Goodman might perhaps lead to trading Bailey next year, which means additional assets.
The NFL is all about impact players and Smith lacks both the size and speed to ever be an impact player IMO. He's a nickle back at best.
The cost of signing rookies is well established in the NFL and has little impact IMO. Using Detroit under Millen is a useless comparison. As long as a team has a shot at an impact player, the cost is negligible. If you think a 2nd rounder passed over by 32 teams in round one in a very weak draft year is going to be a star, you are wrong and way off the mark.
The odds of a player drafted out of the top 10 becoming a star are actually quite prohibitive. Sure the better GM's have a high success rate because they are talented appraisers of talent but all of those guys passed on Smith which doesn't bode well for his future.
Denver is indeed looking at challenging Detroit for last place and for a team desperate for real impact players, this trade will prove to be a total disaster.
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Goodman is turning 31 in a few weeks and is average starter at best. :/
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Good lord, nothing good is happening for this organization... They just need a few years, I think we all know this isn't going tpo be a good team next year.
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Give it some time. Moreno will be fine if he misses the first 2 or 3 days. Interesting choice of #27 as his jersey number.

Btw the young cornerback who most caught my eye last season? Probably Andre Goodman of the Miami Dolphins, who the Broncos signed in the offseason. Keep an eye on him.

Goodman is 30 years old and turns 31 in about 2 weeks. Not exactly somebody I would call young.
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I think the Broncos are more top 10 pick type material than number 1 overall for this year. They still have a solid OL, a top rookie prospect at RB, and some weapons on offense. Don't forget they play in a weak division. I think they finish around 5-11, or 6-10.
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Goodman is turning 31 in a few weeks and is average starter at best. :/
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Goodman is 30 years old and turns 31 in about 2 weeks. Not exactly somebody I would call young.
Wow, noted. He impressed me nonetheless from what I saw of him.
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as much as i want to bash the broncos for having such a terrible offseason, i won't knock them for this. it happens. they'll be in camp.

its not the end of the world just yet.


a small part of me thinks McDaniels is gonna shove all my laughter in my face, but then i think logically again and remember that its not gonna happen.
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