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Old 08-05-2009, 12:49 PM    (permalink
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It's all relative though, as (generally) the more a contract is worth, the more guaranteed money is given.
Of course but neither Vick, Favre, Bledsoe, or Culpepper earned over 100 million on that contract. McNabb won't reach 115. And they're all grossly backloaded so most of those guys probably ever even broke 80 million on those contracts.
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You still averaged 4.4 yards a carry that year good for 10th in the NFL. Maybe Reid should have pounded the run more?
Well, obviously he should have. He should do it every year. This is nothing new.
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Well, obviously he should have. He should do it every year. This is nothing new.
Ok so then McNabb did have a running game, a passing game, and an above average defense buy hey don't let the facts get in the way.
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You still averaged 4.4 yards a carry that year good for 10th in the NFL. Maybe Reid should have pounded the run more?
It doesn't matter. Sniper will praise the rest of our team so much to discredit Eli, but back in the run he probably picked against us every game and gave the Giants no shot entering the playoffs.
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Well Eli will receive every dollar in this contract. I'm actually suprised at the length of the deal. I thought it would be a 10 year thing to spread out the cap number.
He may, he may not. Things get restructured, years get cut off to make another extension.
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Ok so then McNabb did have a running game, a passing game, and an above average defense buy hey don't let the facts get in the way.
He had a running game that was effective when deployed, but you're basically projecting that the running game would have been as effective as the Giants' if they ran it as much. That's not a direct correlation. Don't let facts get in the way of a good time.
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It doesn't matter. Sniper will praise the rest of our team so much to discredit Eli, but back in the run he probably picked against us every game and gave the Giants no shot entering the playoffs.
Considering they were all road games, I don't think it was too much of a stretch to pick against you. Good job, you defied the odds. You won an improbable Super Bowl. That doesn't make Eli the best player in the NFL.
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Considering they were all road games, I don't think it was too much of a stretch to pick against you. Good job, you defied the odds. You won an improbable Super Bowl. That doesn't make Eli the best player in the NFL.
No one is saying he's the best player in the NFL. You can't get it out of your head that the highest paid player in the NFL doesn't mean he's the best. The higest paid player at your position just means you're one of the better players at that position and happened to approach free agency in your prime.
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Considering they were all road games, I don't think it was too much of a stretch to pick against you. Good job, you defied the odds. You won an improbable Super Bowl. That doesn't make Eli the best player in the NFL.
Doesn't have to be.. Cost of being a franchise QB in the NFL playing in NY. At the end of the day the reason why he got paid is because he does what the franchise asks of him. He does it with class, and he has shown that he is a clutch QB who can handle pressure and win the superbowl.

I don't care if he is # 1 or # 10. Can we win a superbowl with him? Is he clutch when the chips are down on the table? The answer is yes. After that I factor in the market for franchise qbs, and it explains why he got paid so much.

In the future so other guy like Cutler, or Ryan will come along and beat that extension. That's how the position gets paid.
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Well, if you're making a guy the highest-paid player in a league with a bunch of overpaid players, shouldn't he be a stud, elite QB, HOFer?
If they're all overpaid, does it matter who's getting which incremental increase? Big Ben is good but I wouldn't call him a "stud, elite QB, HOFer" by any stretch. His contract made him the highest paid just a year or two ago. This contract is no different.

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No one is saying he's the best player in the NFL. You can't get it out of your head that the highest paid player in the NFL doesn't mean he's the best. The higest paid player at your position just means you're one of the better players at that position and happened to approach free agency in your prime.
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Eli got as much guaranteed as Peyton did 5 years ago over one less season. Eli may be highest paid per season, but in terms of overall contact value, several QBs have that deal beat, including McNabb, Palmer, Roethlisberger, Peyton, etc.
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I didn't see this mentioned so I thought I would go ahead and mention it.

While the contract is rather large, a good part of it is incentive based. This means that for those who say it was too big because Eli isn't a good QB need to consider that he won't make a good deal of the contract unless he plays very well ( which the li haters say won't happen).
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Makes me feel great about Romo's 6 year, $67.5M deal. That's for sure.

We'll need it though. Ware is gonna break the bank.
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I didn't see this mentioned so I thought I would go ahead and mention it.

While the contract is rather large, a good part of it is incentive based. This means that for those who say it was too big because Eli isn't a good QB need to consider that he won't make a good deal of the contract unless he plays very well ( which the li haters say won't happen).
Do you know what those incentive bench marks are? Or are you just talking?
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I think that people forget that it is not the actual dollars and cents of the new contract that matter as much as the % of the cap that contract actually uses.

Eli Manning's contract 2009: 6 years 97.5 Mil. 35 guaranteed
let us for the sake of argument say that he does go ahead and make 75% of
Guaranteed money in 2009: ~5.83 Mil
Likely to be obtained money: ~5.20 Mil
Total guesstimated cap hit: 11.03 Mil

NFL 2009 Salary cap figure: ~$127,000,000

Guesstimated salary cap %: ~5.00%

Or if we use the Media's 15.3 Mil per year figure
Estimated salary cap %: ~12.04

In 2004 the Colts gave Peyton Manning a 7 year 99.2 Mil contract. The media figure for that was 14.17 Mil per year in a time when the salary cap was a meager 34.6 Mil

Media figure: 14.17 Mil
2004 Salary Cap: 34.6 Mil
Estimated salary cap %: 38.9%

so when you look at it in terms of salary cap percentages (which is really how you should look at things because in the NFL, money really isn't the limiting factor as much as cap dollars.) Peyton was/is considered vastly more important than Eli ever was.

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Over/under on Rivers' contract? I say under.

Also, everyone is forgetting that Ramses Barden is a Giant and Eli is about to take the next step as a result.
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Over/under on Rivers' contract? I say under.

Also, everyone is forgetting that Ramses Barden is a Giant and Eli is about to take the next step as a result.
While I did forget about Ramses Barden being a Giant (a player I really, really like) it is going to take time for him to come into his own in the league.
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Over/under on Rivers' contract? I say under.

Also, everyone is forgetting that Ramses Barden is a Giant and Eli is about to take the next step as a result.
Easily under. Teams reward their QBs based off accomplishment. Eli has a ring. Rivers doesn't even have a playoff win, does he? Plus, Eli plays for a big market team. There's a reason he refused to play for the Chargers.
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And you pay your franchise QB. No matter what his style is, Eli does get it done, he wins games. If the Giants only had David Carr as their QB, they would be doing much much worse.
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Over/under on Rivers' contract? I say under.

Also, everyone is forgetting that Ramses Barden is a Giant and Eli is about to take the next step as a result.
And at the end of the day, who's the better quarterback?

Rivers. Hands down.
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yikes. glad the Packers locked up Rodgers before this. because if Eli Manning gets that kind of contract, imagine what the going rate for a GOOD QB will be.
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Easily under. Teams reward their QBs based off accomplishment. Eli has a ring. Rivers doesn't even have a playoff win, does he? Plus, Eli plays for a big market team. There's a reason he refused to play for the Chargers.
Rivers has a playoff win I think he beat Indy one year then lost in the next round.
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Easily under. Teams reward their QBs based off accomplishment. Eli has a ring. Rivers doesn't even have a playoff win, does he? Plus, Eli plays for a big market team. There's a reason he refused to play for the Chargers.

You're so much better than that D.

Titans, Colts, 07. Colts 08. 3 years as a starter.

Anyway I'm definitely in favor of this Eli contract. Honestly this is the market and the Giants had no choice. This deal was inevitable and will work out for both sides.

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You're so much better than that D.

Titans, Colts, 07. Colts 08. 3 years as a starter.

Anyway I'm definitely in favor of this Eli contract. Honestly this is the market and the Giants had no choice. This deal was inevitable and will work out for both sides.
Thanks. ...but I don't remember. Regardless, I think Rivers is a better QB and will get paid less based off accomplishment, market, and overall stinginess of the team.
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Thanks. ...but I don't remember. Regardless, I think Rivers is a better QB and will get paid less based off accomplishment, market, and overall stinginess of the team.
Who is the cap guy for the Chargers? We actually have a damn good guy in Kevin Abrams.
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