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Old 08-10-2009, 07:48 PM    (permalink
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So I don't think we bash him enough and quite frankly I am now convinced he is a complete and total idiot. After trading their Franchise QB, implementing a 34 defense, driving Jarvis Moss to the brink of retirement, completely screwing up the draft, going on a very obviously unplanned Free Agency Spending spree and trading their first round pick for Alphonso Smith he does this:

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/...nd-string.html

Yes, you read that correctly, Josh McDaniels has benched Brandon Marshall in favor of Jabar Gaffney. Yeah, and they expect him to want to stay in Denver? They expect him to play hard for a disrespectful and dishonest coach? Please, you don't bench a guy like Marshall, he is a great young receiver and you're going to bench him? Haha McDaniels you are a total failure.
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Although Im sure its just an overreaction. He's doing it to "motivate" Marshall. I see it backfiring on his dumbass though.
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hasn't marshall not been practicing?
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hasn't marshall not been practicing?
i've read he is hurt.
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Marshall won't be a Denver Bronco after the trade deadline has passed. There I said it.
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I agree with BBD. He isn't ******** enough to actually believe Gaffney is a better WR. What the hell does he need motivation for? He is a top flight WR and he has proven it, he needs to stop being cute with **** like this and just coach football. When you don't think he can look any stupider, he does this.
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In McDaniel's defense, I wouldn't call their draft a "complete screwup". There were some odd moves throughout, but they came away with some good talent.
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In McDaniel's defense, I wouldn't call their draft a "complete screwup". There were some odd moves throughout, but they came away with some good talent.
Same here. I thought it was stupid to trade Cutler away but Moreno should be a workhorse for them. I don't think he'll be a 1300 yard rusher but he should be a good "yardage" guy.

I'm not an Ayers fan at all but he should be solid and provide versitality. The only move that really dumbfounded me was trading next years 1st round pick for Alphonso Smith.

And as for Marshall being lower on the depth chart, unless McDaniels is looking to get fired in his 1st year Marshall will obviously be a big part of their offense. Unfortunately Kyle Orton is also a big part of their offense which hurts them...
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I blame ownership. Daniels has the potential to be a great HC. What he's not is a GM. The handling of Cutler, the draft... those are all GM responsibilities.
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Let's see Gaffney start ahead of Marshall come the start of the season, and that will be a story.

We haven't even hit the first preseason game yet.

Plus didn't Marshall have a minor setback in his hip or something a week ago?
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In McDaniel's defense, I wouldn't call their draft a "complete screwup". There were some odd moves throughout, but they came away with some good talent.
Well lets look here, they draft Knowshon Moreno after signing a stable of running backs to add to their stable of running backs they already had.
They draft Robert Ayers a 4-3 LE to play OLB in the 3-4 Defense
They failed to address the defensive line
They traded what will likely be the first overall pick for Alphonso Smith
They drafted Darcel McBath after signing Brian Dawkins and Renaldo Hill.
They drafted Richard Quinn in the second round (huge reach) even though they already had Daniel Graham and Tony Scheffler.

All they really did was create a giant cluster- of players at WR, RB, TE, S and QB when they clearly needed a ton of help along the defensive line and in the linebacking core. Did they get some decent players? Yeah, but the fashion in which they did it was not pretty and they reached on players and they brought in players that don't fit their schemes.
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Let's see Gaffney start ahead of Marshall come the start of the season, and that will be a story.

We haven't even hit the first preseason game yet.

Plus didn't Marshall have a minor setback in his hip or something a week ago?
I know he had a hamstring issue a couple weeks back...

I don't think they would move him to the #2 slot if he was injured though, you would think they would just make him inactive for a week or two...

I don't know about this though. McDaniels is showing his age and hairless nutsack at the same time.
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Well lets look here, they draft Knowshon Moreno after signing a stable of running backs to add to their stable of running backs they already had.
They draft Robert Ayers a 4-3 LE to play OLB in the 3-4 Defense
They failed to address the defensive line
They traded what will likely be the first overall pick for Alphonso Smith
They drafted Darcel McBath after signing Brian Dawkins and Renaldo Hill.
They drafted Richard Quinn in the second round (huge reach) even though they already had Daniel Graham and Tony Scheffler.

All they really did was create a giant cluster- of players at WR, RB, TE, S and QB when they clearly needed a ton of help along the defensive line and in the linebacking core. Did they get some decent players? Yeah, but the fashion in which they did it was not pretty and they reached on players and they brought in players that don't fit their schemes.
Are you saying that Moreno isn't any better than all the guys that they signed at RB? LaMont Jordan signed for 2 years and Correll Buckhalter signed for 4 years. With Moreno they have a guy for the long term.

I already stated that I'm not a huge Robert Ayers but where do you think most of the 3-4 rush LBs come from? The majority of the time they are 4-3 defensive ends in college. The Bronco's will also mix in some 4-3 so they can use Ayers at either DT or DE.

I'm not a fan of their 3-4 defensive line either. I think that Ronald Fields will translate though. Ryan McBean was drafted by the Steelers so they obviously saw something that they liked. However the Steelers were looking for future DE's the past few years and they cut McBean so that says something.

Didn't like the Alphonso Smith pick since it cost them next years 1st round pick.

Dawkins will be 36 this year and the final 4 years of the 5 year contract that he signed are voidable. They now have a guy for the future who can learn from Dawkins for this year. Hill is a solid player and his contract is fairly cheap. Only $3 million guaranteed. He could be gone after 2 years.

Drafting a TE was questionable but for some reason every year they try to trade Scheffler. Graham though is starting to get expensive and has never been an overly productive receiving TE. Still a 2nd round pick for basically a #3 TE this year has be questioned.
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Josh McDaniels will not have a job at the end of this season if Denver is bad.
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I'm the first to jump on the mcDaniels is an idiot wagon, but Marshall is injured and this is a non-story.
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Nolan's defense is too ****** for it to ever work. Look at the Niners' defense after he left, it was like night and day it had improved so much. Don't by the idea that Nolan is a good D-coordinator.
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that is true Nolan made a name in Baltimore where Ozzie was the mastermind behind it all.
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It doesn't really matter who's on the field, it just matters what they can get done on it. I agree with people who say McDaniels has made a lot of questionable decisions, but at the same time, he's getting chased out of town a little quickly considering he hasn't coached a single game yet. This team could end up being pretty good for all we know. I'm not saying I think it will be pretty good, but no one can say with any certainty that it'll be bad, either. Let's see what it looks like when they're playing the games.
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This clown has sabotaged the Broncos franchise. They already had more pieces than half of the league. All he had to do was draft Peria Jerry, B.Orakpo or L.English 12th. I dont mind the Ayers pick that much though, he could turn out like P.Merling (3-4 DE).
Jerry/Orakpo/English with Ayers would've been a decent start to a 3-4.The offensive side was set for years to come. Broncos could've made noise this season too. Imagine having worst record in the league with no 1st rounder that year, LMFAO!!....Josh McDaniels might be worse than Matt Millen.
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I dont think trading a 1st for Alphonso Smith is that big of a deal anyway. He would have been a top 10 pick if he was 6 foot or he ran a 4.3. He is just a playmaker and a ballhawk.
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This clown has sabotaged the Broncos franchise. They already had more pieces than half of the league. All he had to do was draft Peria Jerry, B.Orakpo or L.English 12th. I dont mind the Ayers pick that much though, he could turn out like P.Merling (3-4 DE).
Jerry/Orakpo/English with Ayers would've been a decent start to a 3-4.The offensive side was set for years to come. Broncos could've made noise this season too. Imagine having worst record in the league with no 1st rounder that year, LMFAO!!....Josh McDaniels might be worse than Matt Millen.
EXACTLY!

Just think, right now the Denver Broncos could be running a spread offense with Marshall, Royal and Stokely(sp?) and Jay Cutler at the helm, they could be running a 3-4 with Brian Orakpo at the OLB spot, Evander Hood at the DE spot, and Ron Brace at the NT spot. But nope, instead of having one of the most explosive offenses in the NFL, you've got an offense with Orton at QB. And instead of having the most promising young 3-4 defense in the NFL, you've got a defensive line consisting of nobodies, no NT and no every down OLB.

I think that Ayers is a 4-3 base LE not a 3-4 OLB.
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This is without doubt the stupidest thread I have ever seen in a football forum anywhere. BMarsh missed all of the OTAs, and has practiced one day since training camp started due to his hip injury. As of right now, Gaffney should be in front of him on the depth chart as he has taken ALL of the first team reps. Pre-season depth charts mean nothing at all in terms of the actual season. Players and anyone that knows anything about football knows that.

You havent started a thread about Dwayne Bowe not taking reps with the first team offense in KC due to him not working hard enough, so this thread is just obviously the blind McDaniels hatred coming out again.

McDaniels obviously mishandled the Cutler saga, but the rest of the stuff you have listed as being terrible or his fault is a load of garbage and the fact some of you cant leave it alone is pretty sad.

Each player Denver drafted in the first 2 rounds will play a role in the team this year. All of the guys they brought in fits their scheme, provide back-ups for aging players or will be exceptional on special teams. If you understood that multi-skilled RBs and 2 TE-sets (with TEs that can block and catch) are the key to the versatility needed in combating the 3-4 (which is becoming the defense of choice in the NFL), then you wouldnt be bashing the Moreno and Quinn picks. After Raji there was exactly f-all as far as NTs in the draft. Ronald Fields is just as good as anyone else in the draft as a NT. Why take a guy that will sit on the bench in his first year anyway and has a career upside that is nothing special?

Why not start a thread about how McDaniels is running a training camp that everyone is raving about as being so much better than anything Shanahan ever did? Why not go on about the defense that Shanahan left McDaniels that was totally inept, and incredibly light for a defensive front 7 (it is now still inept, but at least McDaniels has added over 100 pounds to that front 7). Just easier to blame that on McDaniels I suppose. Shanahan drafted a DE bust in Jarvis Moss (he is too light to play DE). Now McDaniels is trying to resurrect his career as an OLB, gave him a few days off to deal with some personal issues before taking him back with open arms, but is somehow in your opinion driving him to the brink of retirement.

You obviously dont know the first thing about the Broncos, so why dont you stay quiet than prove it to everyone.

McDaniels may have made a few misjudgments, but has made a heap of good moves since then and he will be a damn good coach in the NFL. Basically everyone in the media has now realized that (including in Denver where he was universally panned when Cutler left), but there are still some dimwits in here that cant let go.

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