Josh McDaniels' Latest Screw Up

[no bare feet]

Originally Posted by Denver Bronco27

The broncos have other talented players in the front 7; DJ Williams, Elvis Dummerville, Tim Crowder has been playing LIGHTS out in TC, Andre Davis was a very solid LB for cleveland

Didn't Ryan Fitzpatrick play lights out in a TC 3 years ago?

[CC.SD]

Originally Posted by bhaarat316

Jarvis Moss was going to retire?

If he's not cut, he still might. Muy bustifico.

[aNYtitan]

Originally Posted by CC.SD

If he's not cut, he still might. Muy bustifico.

Jeez, 2 years into the league and already he has lost the will to play. IDK whether that is on him or on the coach.

[Addict]

did you guys know that if BMW ran a 4.3 and was able to catch a ball he'd be the best wide receiver ever (after CJ)

[A Perfect Score]

It doesnt matter what else he does this offseason, there is literally no way to rebound from trading away a 25 year old pro bowl QB. You can throw in all the if, ands, and buts you want, but that is a mistake you simply do not make. And you especially dont make it because you are too proud to swallow your ego and assure your FRANCHISE ******* QB that he wont be moved.

The Broncos defense could of been a 1 season fix. If they had been smart, kept Cutler, invested the first rounder in a stud rusher, and used a 2nd rounder on shoring up the Dline, they would be alot better off then they are now with Orton at QB and Ayers and Moreno on the team.

When its all said and done, McDaniels has taken a team with a ******** of pieces and dissasembled it so he can put it back together his way. He wasnt the right choice for the job in Denver.

[Timbathia]

Originally Posted by A Perfect Score

It doesnt matter what else he does this offseason, there is literally no way to rebound from trading away a 25 year old pro bowl QB. You can throw in all the if, ands, and buts you want, but that is a mistake you simply do not make. And you especially dont make it because you are too proud to swallow your ego and assure your FRANCHISE ******* QB that he wont be moved.

The Broncos defense could of been a 1 season fix. If they had been smart, kept Cutler, invested the first rounder in a stud rusher, and used a 2nd rounder on shoring up the Dline, they would be alot better off then they are now with Orton at QB and Ayers and Moreno on the team.

When its all said and done, McDaniels has taken a team with a ******** of pieces and dissasembled it so he can put it back together his way. He wasnt the right choice for the job in Denver.

You dont shore up a d-line that had zero quality pieces with a second-round d-lineman in a draft class devoid of depth at that position. Dumervil was thew only good piece on that line, and he is a situational rusher, not an every-down player. Fact is, McDaniels needed a completely new d-line, and 2 new linebackers. I guess he figured he couldnt do that in the draft, so he just got some bigger and more aggressive guys than were on the roster. Add in Dawkins and while they still suck as a unit, they will be much better at stopping the run by default.

Bowlen brought in McDaniels knowing that he wanted to bring in a more versatile offense similar to the Patriots. The only piece he got rid of was Cutler, and it is debatable as to whose fault that was. If you are convinced that McDaniels is the wrong choice, then have a go at Bowlen. McDaniels hasnt actually done that much wrong (Cutler and the Smith trade are the only ones with any legitimacy - and at least Smith is an above average player), as he has come in and put together an offense and defense that is much more versatile than was currently in place.

Next you are gonna try and pin Michael Jackson's murder on McDaniels as well.

[A Perfect Score]

Originally Posted by Timbathia

You dont shore up a d-line that had zero quality pieces with a second-round d-lineman in a draft class devoid of depth at that position. Dumervil was thew only good piece on that line, and he is a situational rusher, not an every-down player. Fact is, McDaniels needed a completely new d-line, and 2 new linebackers. I guess he figured he couldnt do that in the draft, so he just got some bigger and more aggressive guys than were on the roster. Add in Dawkins and while they still suck as a unit, they will be much better at stopping the run by default.

Bowlen brought in McDaniels knowing that he wanted to bring in a more versatile offense similar to the Patriots. The only piece he got rid of was Cutler, and it is debatable as to whose fault that was. If you are convinced that McDaniels is the wrong choice, then have a go at Bowlen. McDaniels hasnt actually done that much wrong (Cutler and the Smith trade are the only ones with any legitimacy - and at least Smith is an above average player), as he has come in and put together an offense and defense that is much more versatile than was currently in place.

Next you are gonna try and pin Michael Jackson's murder on McDaniels as well.

But the offense wasnt the problem. The defense was. So why Bowlen wanted a more versatile offense is still a mysterious. Case in point, you had a stud QB, a stud WR, a servicable offensive line and a system that allowed for a solid running game with anyone at RB. The Broncos fell apart because of the defense. So why did the offense need to be re-tooled again?

And there is literally no way you can put a positive spin on the Cutler trade. All Cutler wanted to hear from McDaniels after the rumor they went after Cassell was "I wont be traded." And since McDaniels has such a gigantic ego that he couldnt even say that, Cutler demanded a trade. And rightfully so. I would too. He wasnt the problem in Denver, and he shouldnt be treated as though he is.

Im as big of an Alphonso Smith fan as anyone. In fact, if you check the Ravens forum, I wanted us to take him at 26 from the beginning of the draft process. I really think he will be a good #2 CB in the league. But you just dont trade a top 10 (likely) pick for a #2 QB. You just dont. Ugh. You cant defend his decisions, they dont make any sense.

And you are right, they couldnt of fixed the defense in one draft. But they would of been a ******** better off with a high octane offense and a defense that they sunk a first/second round pick into.

[BlindSite]

McDaniels was a good choice as a head coach to rebuild the franchise, and I think the front office was trying to do what philly way back when they hired Vermeil, pick up a young up and comer from a good pedigree and get him to run the show.

What they should've done was paired him with a veteran GM or veteran director of scouting turned GM, not given him free reign over everything.

When both hats are worn by the one guy it almost never works. When it does work usually it's a coach who's been a head coach for a number of years getting the GM spot as well through a firing or a retirement and a job offer.

A guy like McDaniels getting both, that makes the owners just as a culpable as mcdaniels.

[DeathbyStat]

If the Broncos win more than six games I will be utterly dumbfounded

[Brothgar]

Maybe just MAYBE McDanials knew exactly what he was doing when he traded the first round pick for Alphonso Smith. Maybe he didn't want to pay a top 5 pick which is why he traded the Bronco's pick instead of the Bears. Am I out of line here?

[Brent]

can we wait a few months before we declare this the worst off-season ever. talk about your premature bitchiing.

[JeffSamardzijaIRISH]

McDaniels is just too young. He doesn't have enough experience to be the head coach of a team. When some of your players are older than you, you're definitely too young.

[Thumper]

Originally Posted by broth223

Maybe just MAYBE McDanials knew exactly what he was doing when he traded the first round pick for Alphonso Smith. Maybe he didn't want to pay a top 5 pick which is why he traded the Bronco's pick instead of the Bears. Am I out of line here?

Yeah but that is cheaper than the Bengals owner, you're going to trade for your potential top 10 pick for a guy who will most likely never be a #1 CB, when you could've had an elite talent just to save money? That is extremely cheap in IMO worse than just being stupid because being cheap does not win you any games as we see with the Bengals who's owner is so cheap he won't even hire a GM or fire Marvin Lewis because he doesn't want to swallow that contract. That is even worse than that IMO. You've just possibly sacrificed a face of your franchise, a franchise saver, may set your team back even further and you are now a collection of average just to save money? Horrible.

[the decider13]

We get it Thumper, you hate mcdaniels and think the Broncos are a joke. Do you see any fans freaking out? No, because this doesn't even deserve it's own story. Marshall has been injured. And since when has the first preseason depth chart meant jack anyways. Are we gonna make threads for every single tiny problem in every teams depth chart? I doubt it.

[Thumper]

While I do think Josh McDaniels is a joke, this isn't the only pre-season depth chart thread *looks at the "Colts bench Tony Ugoh" Thread*

Whats next is a thread about Todd Haley having Dwayne Bowe as third string WR which I also think is incredibly stupid!

[the decider13]

Yes there was a thread about Tony Ugoh, but it wasn't titled "Jim Caldwell is a moron"

[brat316]

Originally Posted by JeffSamardzijaIRISH

McDaniels is just too young. He doesn't have enough experience to be the head coach of a team. When some of your players are older than you, you're definitely too young.

hmmm...tell that to Jon Gruden and his super bowl ring.

[Timbathia]

McDaniels was quoted today as saying that the NFL mandated him to release a depth chart relative to the first preseason game. Since Marshall wasnt available due to injury, he didnt put him in as a starter.

Happy yet?

[FlyingElvis]

Just to back up what Timbathia is saying:

"That is not our depth chart," McDaniels said. "We don't have any starters right now. We have competition everywhere. The league mandates that we put out a roster for who is going to start in the first preseason game, and Brandon has a personal situation that he is going to attend to and won't be able to make that first preseason game. (WR) Jabar Gaffney is going to start in his place. It is very simple. There is nothing other than that to that entire story."

pulled from CBSSports.com - find it yourself if you're that interested b/c I just C&P'd it off the fantasy page. lol

[The Unseen]

Originally Posted by FlyingElvis

Just to back up what Timbathia is saying:

"That is not our depth chart," McDaniels said. "We don't have any starters right now. We have competition everywhere. The league mandates that we put out a roster for who is going to start in the first preseason game, and Brandon has a personal situation that he is going to attend to and won't be able to make that first preseason game. (WR) Jabar Gaffney is going to start in his place. It is very simple. There is nothing other than that to that entire story."

pulled from CBSSports.com - find it yourself if you're that interested b/c I just C&P'd it off the fantasy page. lol

exactly. I can't believe people are actually pontificating about this. It's nothing.

[sweetness34]

Thread fail. McDaniels may be a dumbass but he's not stupid enough to drop Marshall out of the starting lineup.

[Brothgar]

Originally Posted by Thumper

Yeah but that is cheaper than the Bengals owner, you're going to trade for your potential top 10 pick for a guy who will most likely never be a #1 CB, when you could've had an elite talent just to save money? That is extremely cheap in IMO worse than just being stupid because being cheap does not win you any games as we see with the Bengals who's owner is so cheap he won't even hire a GM or fire Marvin Lewis because he doesn't want to swallow that contract. That is even worse than that IMO. You've just possibly sacrificed a face of your franchise, a franchise saver, may set your team back even further and you are now a collection of average just to save money? Horrible.

Well I wasn't really thinking that he was trying to save money more he was trying to save cap space to go after vets in the next off season DeMarcus Ware perhaps?

[DenverDex]

Originally Posted by A Perfect Score

But the offense wasnt the problem. The defense was. So why Bowlen wanted a more versatile offense is still a mysterious. Case in point, you had a stud QB, a stud WR, a servicable offensive line and a system that allowed for a solid running game with anyone at RB. The Broncos fell apart because of the defense. So why did the offense need to be re-tooled again?

And there is literally no way you can put a positive spin on the Cutler trade. All Cutler wanted to hear from McDaniels after the rumor they went after Cassell was "I wont be traded." And since McDaniels has such a gigantic ego that he couldnt even say that, Cutler demanded a trade. And rightfully so. I would too. He wasnt the problem in Denver, and he shouldnt be treated as though he is.

Im as big of an Alphonso Smith fan as anyone. In fact, if you check the Ravens forum, I wanted us to take him at 26 from the beginning of the draft process. I really think he will be a good #2 CB in the league. But you just dont trade a top 10 (likely) pick for a #2 QB. You just dont. Ugh. You cant defend his decisions, they dont make any sense.

And you are right, they couldnt of fixed the defense in one draft. But they would of been a ******** better off with a high octane offense and a defense that they sunk a first/second round pick into.

I'd just like to kindly remind everyone that thought our offense was amazing, that we were only 16th in scoring. We could move the ball between the 20 yard lines all day but the red zone was a different story. So yes, while our defense and our ST's were the main issues, it isn't like our offense doesn't have any room for improvement. As great as our offense was last year, it'd be nice if we were top 5 in scoring.

Anyway, this offense is still going to be explosive even with Orton and we should be able to move the ball consistently. There won't be the "OMG did you see that throw" type of plays, but no one can legitimately argue that our offense can't be better than 16th in scoring this year with the talent we have.

Our offensive line is top 5.
Royal, Gaffney and Stokley all can get the job done as starters in the NFL. If Marshall gets past his court date with a not guilty verdict and stays healthy, we'll be that much better.

Our TE's are solid.
Our running backs should be good with the potential to be great.

Hillis is the most underrated player right now on our team. He can do so many things in this system.

People that think this team is going to be a 4 win or less are going to be disappointed. There is no way our defense can be as bad as it was last year. Its impossible. Removing Slowik pretty much guarantees that. We will field a competitive secondary, and we have two capable ILBS. Our OLB/D-Line are either unproven or unimpressive. So while it is possible we might still suck on defense, I'd be willing to bet we'll be much better than the defense we put out last year. - Which is actually one of the worst defenses I've ever seen on a NFL field purely because of the scheme.

[Gay Ork Wang]

What makes you think that you have improved on offense by that much that you will be better than 16th in scoring? Losing Cutler is an extremely big hit

[Jimmy]

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