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Old 08-13-2009, 12:02 AM    (permalink
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Old 08-13-2009, 12:08 AM    (permalink
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if there is money riding on said dice roll, then yes. its a skill.
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No skill what so ever...
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Is getting lucky a skill???
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I initially thought this was referring to the dance move where I would have said yes.

But now I know its about actual dice...and I say no.
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Old 08-13-2009, 12:35 AM    (permalink
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I initially thought this was referring to the dance move where I would have said yes.

But now I know its about actual dice...and I say no.
The dance isn't much of a skill either...
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The dance isn't much of a skill either...


That's really all he's got.
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Controlled dice throws are real. I worked at a fair a few summers ago and there was a magician there who could do them. He had a special board though, which apparently made the dice movement more predictable. It was lined with some kind of fabric. And he would bounce the dice off walls and stuff too. He could pretty much get whatever number he wanted. Though you would probably have to be pretty skilled to do that.
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Old 08-13-2009, 12:53 AM    (permalink
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Controlled dice throws are real. I worked at a fair a few summers ago and there was a magician there who could do them. He had a special board though, which apparently made the dice movement more predictable. It was lined with some kind of fabric. And he would bounce the dice off walls and stuff too. He could pretty much get whatever number he wanted. Though you would probably have to be pretty skilled to do that.


If you need a special board-not a skill.
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Nah, that's a skill.. you still have to throw the dice a certain way to get your number. It's not like anyone could just do it right away.
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Nah, that's a skill.. you still have to throw the dice a certain way to get your number. It's not like anyone could just do it right away.


This is true. I should have said not that impressive.
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The betting is the skill more so than throwing the dice. If you get hot you know you're hot if you're dead you're dead. The actual tossing of dice is not a skill.
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For like 99.9 % of people in the world the tossing of dice is not a skill. I'm looking for one youtube video where the guy was able to call out his roll like 10 times in a row.
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The betting is the skill more so than throwing the dice. If you get hot you know you're hot if you're dead you're dead. The actual tossing of dice is not a skill.
That doesn't make any sense. You've got it backwards. Basing your betting patterns on being "hot" is stupidity. There is nothing skillful about that at all. You can roll a 7 fifty times in a row, but your odds are still 1 in 6 on every roll thereafter.

Throwing the dice though? That certainly can be a skill. Just as throwing a curve ball just over the inside corner is a skill. Most people can't do it, but some can with regularity and precision.

So, it's not a skill if you're talking about some random guy who's just mindlessly tossing dice, but it is a skill if somebody spent hours upon hours practicing until he got to the point where he could throw certain numbers significantly more often than odds would dictate.

I know a lot of people who look real goofy trying to swing a golf club. Where the ball lands or whether they even hit it seem to be pure chance. The majority of people don't appear to have any skill whatsoever when it comes to the game of golf. With enough practice though?

The answer to this question depends entirely on who is rolling the dice.
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That doesn't make any sense. You've got it backwards. Basing your betting patterns on being "hot" is stupidity. There is nothing skillful about that at all. You can roll a 7 fifty times in a row, but your odds are still 1 in 6 on every roll thereafter.

Throwing the dice though? That certainly can be a skill. Just as throwing a curve ball just over the inside corner is a skill. Most people can't do it, but some can with regularity and precision.

So, it's not a skill if you're talking about some random guy who's just mindlessly tossing dice, but it is a skill if somebody spent hours upon hours practicing until he got to the point where he could throw certain numbers significantly more often than odds would dictate.

I know a lot of people who look real goofy trying to swing a golf club. Where the ball lands or whether they even hit it seem to be pure chance. The majority of people don't appear to have any skill whatsoever when it comes to the game of golf. With enough practice though?

The answer to this question depends entirely on who is rolling the dice.


Betting is a skill, being able to know when to stop and when to gamble. Hedging loses and understanding at times the dice go dead.

I am talking about betting from the rail, may have wanted to indicate that.

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I have not seen anyone that can pull off a predicted throw yet. Not saying its not possible, but that I have not seen it. If you can throw the dice (and they are not tampered in any way) and know what you will throw, then it is a skill. Otherwise, no
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