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Old 03-09-2007, 06:05 PM    (permalink
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Thank you. Don't get excited about this guys. We traded crap for crap. Its just resorted and packaged with a new label. But its still crap. We still need a day 2 RB.

We still come out slightly ahead considering Carter wouldve probably gotten cut. But by no means does this fill a "need". It was beneficial, but we still need a day 2 RB.
I still want Darius Walker in day 2.
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Wow, interesting trade. The Browns were supposed to cut Droughns and I guess the Giants wanted to make sure that they were going to get him. However, I would not be suprised if Carter does not make the Browns team, so they could get nothing out of this trade.
Nah, Tim will make the team. He always does spectacular in the camps, but that's usually the only time he plays well.
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I can't believe Giants fans are playing this off like the Browns got ripped off.

Droughns was going to be cut.

Carter was going to be cut.

We exchanged players that neither team wanted. You don't think Carter is very good, we don't think Droughns is very good.

This trade is pretty darn insignificant other than it looks like it's setting the Browns up for a meeting with AD come April while the Giants are going to hope Reuben isn't as bad as he looked last year.
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I can't believe Giants fans are playing this off like the Browns got ripped off.

Droughns was going to be cut.

Carter was going to be cut.

We exchanged players that neither team wanted. You don't think Carter is very good, we don't think Droughns is very good.

This trade is pretty darn insignificant other than it looks like it's setting the Browns up for a meeting with AD come April while the Giants are going to hope Reuben isn't as bad as he looked last year.
Neither team got a steal. Neither team got ripped off.

It was a sensible trade for both teams and while I hate Tim Carter, a change of scenery and scheme can entirely change a player with the athleticism of Carter.

But Droughns will be very effective in NY, mostly because of his ability to catch the ball out of the backfield and this new running scheme Gilbride is apparantly going to be implementing.
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I think Droughns is much better than Carter. Droughns played behind a horrific O-Line, and is only one year separated from two consecutive 1,200 yard, 4.0+ ypc, 30 catch seasons.
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Giants will not be paying his roster bonus, not $1.75 million anyway. If anything, they might be giving him a 3rd of that price.
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I don't need a counter argument. They are very very wrong. Again, stats do not tell the whole story.
Why do you think Rhodes is better in the receiving realm of the game? Special teams? Pass blocking? Should we mention the price tag?
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To sum up Tim Carter-

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PLEASE someone answer this....Why do people call Adrian Peterson AD? Shouldn't they call him AP????
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That's just stupid. Should we give Reuben Droughns the nickname RE? Or Shouldn't Terrell Davis have been nicknamed TE with that logic? Whoever started calling adrian peterson ad and not AP should be shot
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I like the way the Giants are going now. I like seeing Droughns and Jacobs in the backfield. They could just use both all the time, one could lead block and the other run...you could switch it up any time since both are big bruisers.
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Is Jacobs not going to be the man in NY?
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i think the only time cleveland may use carter is as a punt returner since we don't have one at this time due to the departure of northcut, we tried cribbs their but he just couldn't seem to hold on to the ball when it was punted either way this is a very insignificant trade and i can't believe it has 4 pages
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Is Jacobs not going to be the man in NY?
Oh no my friend, he will be the main guy. Everyone just wanted to have a veteran to back him up considering Tiki was our veteran running back and Jacobs was the Spell guy. Just need an insurance policy for Jacobs and a guy to spell him.

I expect us to take a running back like Darius Walker or Lorenzo Booker - two guys who can catch in the fourth round.
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Now that there is some confirmation, I can say that even though this trade favors the Giants, it is not by much. They could have waited a week or two (Whenever Droughns was going to be released) and still kept their WR. I know he is horrible, but if the Giants have a lot of injuries at WR this year, they are going to wish they had one more.
Why on earth would you want to keep Tim Carter? Theres gotta be 300 unemployed Wide Recievers that could be signed if there are injuries that would catch more passes then him.
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Droughns is at least a player that has succeeded in the past. He has been on a TERRIBLE Browns team the last few years. Both players were likely to get cut so why not swap them. The Browns have had a top 3 worst O-line in the league the last two years.
Has there been a rb in the Browns organization thats done well?? They seem to spend a lot of picks/ fa money on them with little results.
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i think the only time cleveland may use carter is as a punt returner since we don't have one at this time due to the departure of northcut, we tried cribbs their but he just couldn't seem to hold on to the ball when it was punted either way this is a very insignificant trade and i can't believe it has 4 pages
Carter never returned punts, never did well k/os either to best of my knowledge...the reason this threads gone on 4 pages is the giants fans are venting over another dissapointing player, a bust of huge dimensions, after 5 years I'd be shocked if he had 100 total catches. Last year he was #2 wr for 1/2 the year and managed 20 catches. Droughns probably has more then that, hell our fb probably comes close as well.
Droughns got a little bit of mileage, but can is a known commodity, if giants need to rest Jacobs he can spell him effectively.
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thats a big and slow backfield now, with jacobs and drougns....they could really use a change of pace back
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thats a big and slow backfield now, with jacobs and drougns....they could really use a change of pace back

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thats a big and slow backfield now, with jacobs and drougns....they could really use a change of pace back
Well, Jacobs isn't terribly slow, though he's not terribly quick either. I think we're still planning on grabbing a Day 2 running back. I'm curious to know where Chris Henry will go in the draft. Would be nice to have a speedster like him or Booker who can catch also.

Would allow us to him eventually too.
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I can't believe Giants fans are playing this off like the Browns got ripped off.

Droughns was going to be cut.

Carter was going to be cut.

We exchanged players that neither team wanted. You don't think Carter is very good, we don't think Droughns is very good.

This trade is pretty darn insignificant other than it looks like it's setting the Browns up for a meeting with AD come April while the Giants are going to hope Reuben isn't as bad as he looked last year.

RD is a decent back, but your team also played a part in it. I am sure RD had his faults, but you guys had injuries on your offensive unit. Fry is a young qb, and your oline is not that good. Factor in facing the Bengals, Ravens, and Steelers, and no wonder it would be tough for RD to be consistent.

I think he would do much better behind our line. Also, he wouldnt be the feature back, Jacobs, would be. So I personally think it was a good deal for us. Not saying it was a bad deal for you guys, because he may not be the proper fit. But in terms of our team, he is a good fit for our situation.
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We're making more of this than we should. Look, both teams got what they wanted in the trade, it was a good move by both teams.

Both teams basically gave up nothing for their guy, so whats the big deal? If it works, great, if it doesn't, its not like they gave the farm away for him. I think it was a good move for both teams. Id still like a change of pace guy via the draft, but I think we mightve gotten a very good deal out of this.

Hopefully for Tim Carter and Cleveland's sake, they can say the same. Carter has all the talent in the world, but can't catch a cold. Maybe a change of scenery can help him out. And again, if it doesn't work out, big deal, you didn't give up anything for him. This was a very smart move by both GMs.
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Well, Jacobs isn't terribly slow, though he's not terribly quick either. I think we're still planning on grabbing a Day 2 running back. I'm curious to know where Chris Henry will go in the draft. Would be nice to have a speedster like him or Booker who can catch also.

Would allow us to him eventually too.
hes not the quickest but hes fast, and hes ridiculously fast for a guy his size.
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