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Old 08-24-2009, 10:38 PM    (permalink
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damn we got drew brees cheap for 60 million 10 million guaranteed.
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Old 08-24-2009, 10:38 PM    (permalink
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3rd best is a stretch and I think you know that. Drew Brees. Is it a homer statement to also take Aaron Rodgers over him for next year and years to come?
I think it is a huge homer statement indeed. Aaron's very good, but he hasn't nearly had success like Rivers has had yet.
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Old 08-24-2009, 10:42 PM    (permalink
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I think it is a huge homer statement indeed. Aaron's very good, but he hasn't nearly had success like Rivers has had yet.
well Aaron has been average while Rivers has been above average. The only Excellent QB's i can think of are P. Manning, Brady, Brees, Palmer, McNabb.

I left Big Ben off because he has more weapons and the best defense in football to fall back on.
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How in the world has Carson Palmer been excellent?
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How in the world has Carson Palmer been excellent?
up until he got hurt how many people considered him a top 3 QB? Especially on here.

put him on a real team with a real coaching staff and he contends for a SB.
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Of course I've seen how he carries himself. If you watch news clippings and hear some pundits talk then of course your opinion would be negative. EVERYONE was on Jay Cutlers jock that year. The cameras caught Philip and not Jay. Big whoop. He didn't curse. He's an amazing father. He's competitive. He believes in himself, his teamates, and the organization and he gets fired up when someone tries to challenge that. Does that make him a "dick" or a sports figure to look up to? If I had a son, I'd love for him to want to play the sport like Philip. I'm sure no opinions will be changed by my post, but it irks me when people talk about him like he's killing dogs or killing people while driving drunk. But hey, lets embrace Mike Vick and Leonard Little cuz everyone deserves a 2nd chance, right?
Can you please stop ruining every thread by continuing with this argument
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up until he got hurt how many people considered him a top 3 QB? Especially on here.
People were wrong. He never earned that.
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Haven't been lurking much, dealing with serious family issues, but I have to post in this thread obviously. Very glad to see Philip locked up long term, his play at the QB position has been magnificent the last few years. Up there with anybody if you look at some of the throws he's made, at the clutchest times. I have no doubt he'll eventually go on a January winning streak, and coming from a Charger fan that confidence was not come by easily.
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Definitely worth it for the Chargers.
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phillip is gross and bad
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He is a good QB, in a good system, and I think it was a good deal for him. I am happy for him.
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well Aaron has been average
Average? Ha. Really? He was a first year starter last year on a team riddled by injuries on the defensive side of the ball. I think you're looking at the wins and losses rather than his stats. Here you go:

4,038 yards (Top 5)
28 TD's (Top 5)
13 INT's ( 1 more than Manning, 2 more than Rivers)

This is a kudos to the WR, but nonetheless:
48 Completions of 20+ (Top 5)
16 Completions of 40+ (Top 5)

That is not average, sir. He's above average. I'm not arguing that he is better than Phillip right now, but I would take Rodgers over Rivers in the long run.

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People were wrong. He never earned that.
i disagree. he's had bad luck with injuries, but when healthy, this dude was great. absolutely everything you want in a franchise QB. he's gotta earn it again, but i think people forget how good he really was.
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Of course I've seen how he carries himself. If you watch news clippings and hear some pundits talk then of course your opinion would be negative. EVERYONE was on Jay Cutlers jock that year. The cameras caught Philip and not Jay. Big whoop. He didn't curse. He's an amazing father. He's competitive. He believes in himself, his teamates, and the organization and he gets fired up when someone tries to challenge that. Does that make him a "dick" or a sports figure to look up to? If I had a son, I'd love for him to want to play the sport like Philip. I'm sure no opinions will be changed by my post, but it irks me when people talk about him like he's killing dogs or killing people while driving drunk. But hey, lets embrace Mike Vick and Leonard Little cuz everyone deserves a 2nd chance, right?
i got your back on this. and i don't know why people are getting all upset about somebody defending phil rivers in a thread about phil rivers.

so, he called out another QB and opposing fans once. big freaking deal.

peyton manning calls out his own team all the time and he gets a free pass because he gets to make funny commercials.

and, how many qbs get in sideline fights with their WRs? not phil rivers. by all accounts he's a great leader. and i have no problem chalking up his "dick" moves as playing with passion.

i think it's a damn shame him and cutler couldn't stay in the same division. because that kind of intense rivalry between 2 of the best young QBs in the game would've been GREAT for the NFL.
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Average? Ha. Really? He was a first year starter last year on a team riddled by injuries on the defensive side of the ball. I think you're looking at the wins and losses rather than his stats. Here you go:

4,038 yards (Top 5)
28 TD's (Top 5)
13 INT's ( 1 more than Manning, 2 more than Rivers)

This is a kudos to the WR, but nonetheless:
48 Completions of 20+ (Top 5)
16 Completions of 40+ (Top 5)

That is not average, sir. He's above average. I'm not arguing that he is better than Phillip right now, but I would take Rodgers over Rivers in the long run.

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ok, Rodgers was above average last year. happy?
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worth every penny.
Blue, I was wondering how you would rate Rivers' ability to read defenses. I was wondering if you could give me your analysis of his strengths and weaknesses. I know Eli does a very good job in this regard (he has to when he has to deal with the defenses of the NFC Easts).
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damn we got drew brees cheap for 60 million 10 million guaranteed.
Yeah, definitely got a good deal all things considering with his shoulder injury. Interestingly enough, Brees was the same age Rivers is when he signed that contract. Man, how contracts have grown in the past three years.
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Depends on his production with the Bears.

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Blue, I was wondering how you would rate Rivers' ability to read defenses. I was wondering if you could give me your analysis of his strengths and weaknesses. I know Eli does a very good job in this regard (he has to when he has to deal with the defenses of the NFC Easts).
LOL. No disrespect to BBD, but how in god's name would he know? BBD do you have the chargers playbook on you? It's impossible to answer that question because:

1. He doesn't have the playbook, which has the plays, progressions, and WR & TE section with routes and reads in it. He also doesn't know the hand signals that Rivers might give a WR without having to change the whole play.

2. He doesn't have the coach's tape to see ALL the routes and what the defense is playing

3. He doesn't have a head set to know what the exact play is, being called..



I could be wrong, but if BBD has all these things at his disposal then he very well can answer that question very, very accurately.
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Question: Does Cutler get over $100M?
I would hope not he is not on that level as of now.
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I love Rivers, he's probably my second favorite QB in the league behind Romo (of course, homer), and he deserves every cent of this contract.

Also, for the Aaron Rodgers talk, come back to me when he wins more than 6 games in a season. Rivers has won playoff games and been to conference championships. So, it isn't even a discussion, for me.
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