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Old 09-06-2009, 10:50 AM    (permalink
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Via Adam Schefter and ESPN. Will get links now.

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Wow, thats huge, why would they do something like this? I know to get younger but whose going to replace Seymour at DE this season... are they really that unconfident that they will win big this year?
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What a typical Patriots move..2011 1st? I'd be surprised if he's still in Oakland heading into that season.
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This is one way for the Raiders to get the DT they need though I guess.
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Surprising move to say the least. omgz. a first round pick of the raiders means a high pick I presume.
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woah, didn't see that coming... Good move by the Raiders but the Patriots missed on this one IMO.
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Wow, surprising.

Just what the Pats need, a top 10 pick in 2011.
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Wow, this is a suprise, but its a good move on the Raiders part. But is he worth a 1st rounder? And who will be replacing him? Ron Brace?
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this is surprising and a pretty big move. that's gonna be a high pick though. another time where they'll end up with a high pick and get another Mayo calibur player early in the 1st.
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Wow, surprising.

Just what the Pats need, a top 10 pick in 2011.
That's just it - we cut Seymour to save money so we can pay an unproven rookie more?

This offseason has been a nightmare.
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Well, I wouldn't assume it will be a high pick. A lot can happen in two years, and the Raiders defense continues to improve. If the Raiders come out next year with a solid draft, it could be a mid round pick and be worth it for them.
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This move would look even better if they took Raji instead of Heyward-Bey.

I guess this takes them out of the Gerald McCoy sweepstakes though
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Well, I wouldn't assume it will be a high pick. A lot can happen in two years, and the Raiders defense continues to improve. If the Raiders come out next year with a solid draft, it could be a mid round pick and be worth it for them.
Jbond, you know Al Davis is still running them, right?

I mean I do like their D a lot right now, a lot is riding on Jamarcus though. Who knows? We all rip on the Raiders but something could happen. They've got a good D and a very good group of RB's and a QB with potential. We'll see though
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I'm stunned, and yet, not. There's been talk of more 4-3 looks, and with the contracts up in 2010, it makes some sense. That said, Seymour was still a leader for this defensive unit, particularly with all that older guys moving on. As we've seen from BB though, he'll cut who he wants and live with it. I imagine we'll see Jarvis Green step in, who should be alright, and when they show 4-3 looks, it'll be Green/Burgess on the edges. They are trying to remake themselves on the fly, without losing a step. It'll be interesting to see if it works.
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Al probably figures he'll be dead by then. I guess the Pats really like Brace.
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If Mario Henderson plays well at LT, the Raiders O-Line will not actually be that bad... Robert Gallery may be a bust at LT, but he is a very good OG in the NFL, and Samson Satele had a bad year in Miami only because Sparano's offense scheme did not fit him well but with the ZBS that the Raiders run he will play like he did his rookie year. Other than that, the offense is pretty scary, Run DMC, Michael Bush, Fargas are all good runningbacks. They don't have a true #1 WR, but Johnnie Lee Higgins is a very underrated player, as is Chaz Schillens, if DHB is anything close to what Al Davis thinks he is that is not a horrible trio. Lastly, they have an excellent TE in Zach Miller who has hands of glue, and blocks pretty damn well, if he was faster he'd be a top 5 TE in the league.

The defense doesn't look all that bad, if they can play at a respectable level I think this Raiders team is being underrated right now. The last if that needs to be dealt with is how well JaMarcus Russell will play, if he plays well I do not think that it is out of the realm of possibilities that the Raiders can go 8-8 or 9-7, especially in a weak AFC West, and maybe even win the division if the Chargers go ahead and play like they did last season.
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I hate seeing Seymour go more than anyone, he was a rookie our first Super Bowl year and has been a dominant force on the DL. He set a standard for 3-4 ends and was the centerpiece of our defense I would say. This is sad because it makes me think we really are trying to go towards the 4-3 more.

He was a FA after this year and I was pretty sure he was gone (need to sign Wilfrok and Mankins) so I'm sure the coaching staff wanted to get something for him now, but this just hurts. Big Rich won't look right in any other uniform.

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Every year is the year the Raiders defense is supposed to step up and be a respectable unit. It's hard not to love them on paper, but until they step up and show they're capable of what everyone thinks I won't hold my breath.
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Every year is the year the Raiders defense is supposed to step up and be a respectable unit. It's hard not to love them on paper, but until they step up and show they're capable of what everyone thinks I won't hold my breath.
The defense is not what's impressing me right now, its the offense, that unit has the potential to be scary, and if the Raiders defense can play respectable, we know they are pretty good against the pass, but with the addition of Seymour they will vastly improve against the run. Tommy Kelly does not deserve the contract Al gave him but he is not a horrible player either, Seymour and Kelly paired on the middle would provide a pretty good run D at least up the middle.
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Sad to see Seymour go, but unlike most Pats fans here, I love the move.

He would've been gone this year anyway, and this frees up space to extend wilfork and/or Mankins.

That's a 2011 Top Ten pick, which can be traded, or if a rookie pay scale is instituted becomes REALLY valuable. I think Brace/Burgess/Green will do fine, especially given the 4-3 looks this preseason.

Seymour was beginning to slow down, but is still a dominant tackle, the Pats must be confident in that DL rotation. I personally love this move.
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You've got to be kidding me.
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Anyone sitting back and thinking this is a good move for the Raiders and bad for the Pats is just crazy right now...

For one, Seymour only has a year left on his deal iirc. And there was no word that the Raiders signed him to an extension as part of the trade, so he very well could be gone by the time the 2011 draft even happens. You'd hope that the Raiders aren't that stupid but....they probably are.

And for the Pats, you get something in return for a guy who would have been tough to resign after this season anyway. Wilfork is younger and arguably more critical to the success of their defense, so extending him is far more important.

And let's not forget, this is the Pats. Love them or hate them, they get **** done and keep right on rolling. Next player will step in and we might not even notice a difference...
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2011 is interesting. Raiders need to draft Cody in 2010 and build the 3-4

DE Kelly
NT Cody
DE Seymour
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