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Old 09-06-2009, 03:54 PM    (permalink
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So who is starting next to Mayo now anyway?
I think it is Gary Guyton who is starting there.

But I may be wrong, the might be moving Adalius Thomas inside and letting Burgess and Pierre Woods start on the outside.
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Richard Seymour isn't an impact player, he hasn't been for years. If you can get a first round pick for a declining 30 year old player who plays a position your team is very deep at and will be gone in a year, you do it.
What are you talking about? You clearly don't watch D-Lineman enough.
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I think it is Gary Guyton who is starting there.

But I may be wrong, the might be moving Adalius Thomas inside and letting Burgess and Pierre Woods start on the outside.
Yea it is Gary Guyton who will be starting beside Mayo. Improved a lot last year but could be upgraded, although I would keep Thomas outside for the majority of the time.
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So who is starting next to Mayo now anyway?
Guyton and Mayo inside, with Thomas and Banta-Cain/Burgess/Pierre Woods on the outside.
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Yea it is Gary Guyton who will be starting beside Mayo. Improved a lot last year but could be upgraded, although I would keep Thomas outside for the majority of the time.
I love Thomas on the outside but I have to admit Guyton is a mystery to me...if there's a respectable OLB on the roster, wouldn't be surprised to see the Pats move AT inside.
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Richard Seymour isn't an impact player, he hasn't been for years. If you can get a first round pick for a declining 30 year old player who plays a position your team is very deep at and will be gone in a year, you do it.
Make no mistake, Seymour is a very good DL. DE in the 3-4 is not really a position that jumps out with impact plays even though a great DE makes impact plays. In other words, alot of what Seymour does great is overlooked. He commands double teams, can stuff the run and get to the passer.

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Not a big fan of this move. We definitely needed DL help, but I'm not sure Seymour is the right fit. We need a run stuffing DT and a pass rushing DE, not a pass rushing DT or a run stuffing DE (in other words, pretty similar skillset to Kelly). I also don't like giving up a 1st rounder for someone who is A) in a contract year and B) made his name in a 3-4 because you don't know if he will be the same impact player in a 4-3. I also hate trading with the Pats, things just seem to go their way.
Seymour played in a 4-3 his first year (maybe 2, not sure) in NE. He was still very effective at that position. The play that I remember him the most from is the snow bowl against, ironically, the raiders on the 4th and 1, he shot through the guards legs and made the stop in the backfield.
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What are you talking about? You clearly don't watch D-Lineman enough.
Don't look at his number of sacks. He's still a good player, but he's isn't close to being the force he was 4 or 5 years ago. With the Pats he was approaching two-down player status. Seymour isn't in the tiers of players that is worth a first round pick.
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I just feel really sorry for seymour. From another chance to win a ring to being in oakland... That must really, really, really, really hurt.
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Well in the end this is great for the Pats, but at least for this year, their defense will be very mediocre.

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And this is why the patriots have remained so competitive for so long. Losing Seymour hurts, but they're in a position where they can still be viable SB contenders even after this lose while securing more high caliber young talent a little down the road. All while avoiding a difficult contract situation/
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I understand the Pats on this, they would rather pay their NT big money.
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sign Bernard Pollard and you're all set.

that and start Westerman and Renkart.
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Westerman should start, actually.
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And with the first overall pick in the 2011 NFL Draft, the New England Patriots select: Julio Jones, WR Alabama.

That just made me sick to my stomach. thanks for the Parity Oakland....
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Are they planning on putting him at DT or DE?
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He will be starting at right defensive end who will occasionally slide in a DT (probably in obvious passing downs with Trevor Scott coming in at DE).

If we can't stop the run with 3 DTs i dont think we ever will.
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As long as the Raid-ahs have Tom Cable coaching, Al Davis drafting and making every other decision...They should feel good about their chances
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Seymour is still a very good player, but IMO it's still a poor deal for Oakland.

Hell, the Skins signing Haynesworth to a contact with $ 40 mil guaranteed was a bad deal.
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I just saw this.

what the ****
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I will play Devil's advocate and say this helps the Raiders a lot. You do not need too much to do well in the AFC West. They are now a better team than the Broncos and Chiefs (then again I thought they were already, but now more so). What I love about this is Seymour will have to play his butt off since he is in a contract year and this is his last shot at a big paycheck. If he can solidify the run defense, they have the defensive backs to have a well rounded defense. Jamarcus has looked better and that rushing attack with a healthy McFadden would terrify me as a defensive coordinator. I think they will do better than people think.
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I'm with you 100% on how bad the Div is and SD is a lock to win it but I would like to hear your thoughts on how the Raiders are better then Denver and the Chiefs?
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The O-Line is atrocious and it is made worse by the fact that they have a QB that accumulates sacks. Cassel is already hurt and he will get pummeled week in and out. The running game is not there to take any pressure off and teams will double Bowe 100% of the time and there is not one legitimate NFL WR/TE that can make a play.

The defense, which is historically bad last year, is switching to a new scheme that I do not think they have the pieces to make it work. I have yet to see Dorsey play, supposedly he has played but I haven't noticed. I guess the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence I suppose. And don't even get me started on that linebacking corp. Hali at 3-4 OLB is too slow, Demorrio Williams couldn't shed a block for his life, and neither could Derrick Johnson for that matter.

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McDaniels is over his head. I know it, you know it, everyone knows it. His offense will try and dink and dunk its way too success. But teams will catch on and Kyle Orton will not be able to stretch the field to open up those quick passes, and I really did not like Knowshon Moreno coming out.

They may have the worst defense in the league, the only players that have that are worth anything are over the hill Champ Bailey and Brian Dawkins. They will get by on name recognition more than what they do on the field. Can you name a Broncos' D-Lineman? You cannot say their names without laughing.
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The O-Line is atrocious and it is made worse by the fact that they have a QB that accumulates sacks. Cassel is already hurt and he will get pummeled week in and out. The running game is not there to take any pressure off and teams will double Bowe 100% of the time and there is not one legitimate NFL WR/TE that can make a play.

The defense, which is historically bad last year, is switching to a new scheme that I do not think they have the pieces to make it work. I have yet to see Dorsey play, supposedly he has played but I haven't noticed. I guess the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence I suppose. And don't even get me started on that linebacking corp. Hali at 3-4 OLB is too slow, Demorrio Williams couldn't shed a block for his life, and neither could Derrick Johnson for that matter.
The O I pretty much agree with every thing you said but you could not be more wrong about the D.

The Chiefs have yet to give up more then 17 points its pre season but still and the Chiefs LB's have played far and away better then you claim.

The Chiefs coaching staff have been very high on Hali and he has looked great in pre season and Vrabel has shown he still has some left in the tank.

The star of camp and pre season has also been a LB little known SP teams ace Corey Mays who has worked his way in to the starting line up.

I'm in no way saying the Chiefs will have a top ten 10 but I think their D is going to surprise alot of people.
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We will see. Don't forget I live in KC, I see a lot of the Chiefs.
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