2010 Eagles Draft Discussion Thread - Page 15

cunningham06 · 04-01-2010, 06:30 PM

Briscoe or Jordan Shipley would be good pickups in the mid rounds.

eaglesalltheway · 04-01-2010, 10:28 PM

I'd love Briscoe, or even Shipley or Roosevelt in the 5th round or so. Trading Brandon Gibson for one year of Witherspoon came back to bite the Eagles in the ass, he may be as much as a solid #2 in the league...

frubulubu · 04-01-2010, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by eaglesalltheway

I'd love Briscoe, or even Shipley or Roosevelt in the 5th round or so. Trading Brandon Gibson for one year of Witherspoon came back to bite the Eagles in the ass, he may be as much as a solid #2 in the league...

Brandon Gibson is something that still makes me upset, till this day. Add the fifth round pick and thats even more insulting, and the fact that Weatherspoon left, c'mon man. We drafted Celek, Cole, and Gaither in the fifth round, wish we had thst pick back.

frubulubu · 04-01-2010, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by cunningham06

Briscoe or Jordan Shipley would be good pickups in the mid rounds.

Shipley is who I like here, as well. If only we had that fifth round pick back.

Go_Eagles77 · 04-02-2010, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by frubulubu

Brandon Gibson is something that still makes me upset, till this day. Add the fifth round pick and thats even more insulting, and the fact that Weatherspoon left, c'mon man. We drafted Celek, Cole, and Gaither in the fifth round, wish we had thst pick back.

I have to agree, I was disappointed with losing him even before they cut Witherspoon. He would make a pretty damn good 4th WR for us.

Thumper · 04-02-2010, 06:22 PM

The Eagles have worked out Jonathan Dwyer and according to Fox Sports, the Eagles have real and legitimate interest in Dwyer. The Eagles have also worked out Dezmon Briscoe. If the Eagles get those two, they're so set on offense aside from maybe a RG. Dwyer and Briscoe are so physical, they are the guys I want in the draft, they're insane, Dwyer has such a nasty stiff arm and tacklers just bounce off of him and Brisco is so aggressive after the catch, he has a nasty stiff-arm himself and he can break some tackles.

Ideal scenario:
Trade a 5th for Rob Sims
Draft Dwyer in the second and Briscoe in the fourth with Cleveland's pick (by that time we should have the Raiders second as well and we already have the Seahawks third). Add them to the mix of DeSean, Jeremy Maclin, LeSean McCoy, Jason Avant, Brent Celek, Mike Bell, Leonard Weaver and Cornelius Ingram and the offense couldn't be stopped, plus could you imagine all the confidence and nastiness that would be happening on the field? Oh man it would be amazing..

Sniper · 04-02-2010, 06:25 PM

Our offense is going to need to average 45 points per game because our defense blows.

Thumper · 04-02-2010, 06:51 PM

I'm going to toss out a quick mock

Trade McNabb for 40th pick (Raiders)
Trade 5th round pick for Rob Sims

1- Devin McCourty CB Rutgers
2 (Oak)- Jonathan Dwyer RB Georgia Tech
2- Jerome Murphy CB USF
3 (Sea)- Sean Lee ILB Penn St.
3- J.D. Walton C Baylor
4 (Cle)- Dezmon Briscoe WR Kansas
4- George Johnson DE Rutgers
6- Zoltan Mesko P Michigan
7- Kendrick Lewis SS Ole Miss
7- Reggie Carter WLB/ILB UCLA

Morton · 04-02-2010, 09:17 PM

Thumper: It's Kyle Wilson / Earl Thomas or bust in the first round. The Eagles are going to trade up or trade down instead of settling for a 2nd tier CB in the first.

Morton · 04-02-2010, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Sniper

Our offense is going to need to average 45 points per game because our defense blows.

I don't think it will be that bad.

If we can assume they'll get a DB that can start right away next year, either FS or CB, they have Hobbs / rookie / Samuel as CBs, who are all relatively solid. Mikell is still good too.

If Bradley comes back, that will plug the MLB hole. They have some young players that can compete for hte other LB positions, and LB isn't even all that important in the Eagles system. I mean, it's semi-important, but in the Jim Johnson system the two most important areas are DL and the DBs.

Trent Cole is still possibly the best all-around 4-3 DE in the NFL. Bunkley and Patterson are still solid, and Laws and Dixon can surprise us. I have a feeling that Tapp will thrive as a LDE, or at the very least will surprise us. And if he doesn't, Parker is still pretty decent, and Abiamiri could surprise us too.

The Dick Jauron hiring will help smooth things out a lot, and so iwll the maturation of McDermott. Jauron will bring some experience and maturity to the coaching of the defense. He's a legit elite DC, he was just a bad head coach.

Sniper · 04-02-2010, 09:22 PM

Let's trade up, snag Eric Berry, get another first-round pick and draft Brandon Graham. Profit.

frubulubu · 04-02-2010, 09:52 PM

Do we draft a CB, now that Brown is a Brown?

Thumper · 04-02-2010, 09:55 PM

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Do we draft a CB, now that Brown is a Brown?

No offense frubu but... is that really a question? Do you think the Eagles would start Ellis Hobbs aka the worst corner in the NFL?

frubulubu · 04-02-2010, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Thumper

No offense frubu but... is that really a question? Do you think the Eagles would start Ellis Hobbs aka the worst corner in the NFL?

None taken...Its obvious that Hobbs wont be the starter and I pray thats not the plan AR has. But if thet dont draft a CB, they could still trade for one.

Thumper · 04-02-2010, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by frubulubu

None taken...Its obvious that Hobbs wont be the starter and I pray thats not the plan AR has. But if thet dont draft a CB, they could still trade for one.

True... But who can the Eagles get? Aso? The more i think about it, the more I realize Aso's contract is just something the Eagles can't swallow. Now I would welcome Aso since Brown is gone, Brown was the reason I didn't think Aso was needed but his contract is just monstrous.

superman8456 · 04-02-2010, 10:29 PM

I wouldnt honestly take a long, hard look at bringing in Pacman Jones.

Bring on the neg rep.

frubulubu · 04-02-2010, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by superman8456

I wouldnt honestly take a long, hard look at bringing in Pacman Jones.

Bring on the neg rep.

Lmao, thats funny. Im not going to neg rep you, I dont like neg repping our own. But seriously dude, Ill take Hobbs over Jones.

Thumper · 04-02-2010, 10:36 PM

Lito Sheppard?

Ahahahahahahahahahahahaha why did I even ask that? Lito sucks.

frubulubu · 04-02-2010, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Thumper

True... But who can the Eagles get? Aso? The more i think about it, the more I realize Aso's contract is just something the Eagles can't swallow. Now I would welcome Aso since Brown is gone, Brown was the reason I didn't think Aso was needed but his contract is just monstrous.

I hope they have something going and surprise us. Im going to miss Brown, he always played physical.

Todd Bertuzzi · 04-02-2010, 11:55 PM

Maybe the Eagles are confident with Asante, Jackson and Hobbs and they are planning on drafting a safety.

frubulubu · 04-03-2010, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Thumper

Lito Sheppard?

Ahahahahahahahahahahahaha why did I even ask that? Lito sucks.

Sheppard was the odd man out, and couldnt beat out Joselio Hanson. Im not sure if he couldnt or was being taught a lesson by AR, and simply sat him. I wouldnt mind Lito, but he would be a short term player. He might end up in Cleveland, lol.

frubulubu · 04-03-2010, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Todd Bertuzzi

Maybe the Eagles are confident with Asante, Jackson and Hobbs and they are planning on drafting a safety.

Jackson, is considered to be going to Safety. But Macho played CB in college and could be put back at corner if needed. We never know what could happen at training camp, and adjustments could be made. Harris, beat out Demps last year, and stayed at S all year.

Sniper · 04-03-2010, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by frubulubu

Sheppard was the odd man out, and couldnt beat out Joselio Hanson. Im not sure if he couldnt or was being taught a lesson by AR, and simply sat him.

That question was answered down the stretch that year. He just sucked.

cunningham06 · 04-03-2010, 12:56 PM

Lito Sheppard is quite an enigma. Some seasons he played great, and others he was absolute trash. We can't start Hobbs, that would be terrible.

eaglesalltheway · 04-05-2010, 03:00 PM

Well, here is how I see the Eagles needs as of this moment, heading into the draft. Mine will most likely be a little different because of how I view the FA/trade acquisitions, but here it goes...

1. CB-With Sheldon gone, and no CB added through trade to replace him, this went from being my 3rd biggest need to the biggest need the Eagles have, and it isn't even close, if you ask me. Expect CB to be addressed early, round one or two. It is a position of need at a postion the Eagles value highly. The Eagles may draft two CBs, with another being added in the 5th round or so
2. FS-Maybe I'm a little gunshy about FA additions with knee injuries, but I am just not sold on Marlin Jackson at FS, and though I feel Harris is decent enough, we know a great FS really helps this defense a lot. If the team feels as I do, FS will be addressed round 1 or 2, otherwise, they may not draft one at all with the logjam at the position.
3. OL-Particularly the right side of the line (C or RG) Especially with Kolb assuming the QB role, we want to protect him and help establish a run game. Honestly, I could have this ahead of FS, that's how close this is, so if you think it should be higher, pretend I see this as 2a. I think this will be addressed relatively early, and could be addressed as early as the first round, but is more likely to be addressed in the second or third. (Depends on the drafting situation)
4. LB-If it wasn't for Bradley coming back, this would be my #1 need, but with Bradley back, and Akeem Jordan still an Eagle, it is less of a need. Notice I didn't specify which LB position, because with the flexibility of our LB corp, it gives the Eagles options for drafting amongst the LBs. I'd prefer to keep Bradley manning the middle, but if the team woud feel more comfortable sliding him to SLB, it does open up some possibilities. Expect at least two LBs to be drafted as a potential starter is needed, as well as a backup. Its hard to say where this will be addressed due to the Eagles track record, but this may be the year they use a pick on a LB in the first two rounds, or they may let it go until the mid rounds.
5. DE- Before bringing in Tapp, I saw this as our second biggest need, but I like Tapp and I think he brings a lot to the DE rotation. The Eagles don't necessarily NEED a starter here, but more of a pass rusher to contribute to the rotation. This is another position that may have two draft picks at, most likely from the third on after, IMO.
6. SS-Mikell is a good SS, but he isn't that young, and a backup is needed. If Mikell would be injured, our defense would be even more **** outta luck than they are now, and a competent replacement would help. Expect this to be addressed in the fourth round or later.
7a. T-More for depth behind our starters, our current backups could use upgrading at these positions. Expect a 5th round pick or later used on a Tackle prospect.
7b. QB-With McNabb gone, the Eagles don't have a true backup QB. I know we have Vick, but he's only locked up for this season and the Eagles will need some sort of insurance if Kolb doesn't pan out. I'd expect a QB to be drafted round 4 or later.
9. RB-With Shady, Bell, and Buckley, an upgrade isn't necessarily needed, but I could see the Eagles drafting a RB in certain situations. RB could be the pick as early as round 3, IMO, but is possible at any point after that.
10. TE-Celek is the starter, we are set at starter as long as he is healthy. Ingram is a potential beast, I am telling you that right now from what I saw before his knee re-injury in TC. If he is healthy, he is a dynamic weapon. But we need a more in-line type TE, or at least an insurance policy if Ingram can't come back. I could see a TE drafted 5th round or later.
11. DT-Our starters are set, and we have some quality depth behind them, but another body to add competition to the rotation wouldn't hurt. I could see the Eagles drafting as early as the 4th round on a DT, though that'd only be the case if they feel Laws is a bust (I don't think so). It'd be much more likley to see a late round pick or UDFA addition. It is also possible the team feels as though they are fine with Bunk, Patterson, Laws, and Dixon, which is a young talented group of DTs. If they do draft a DT, don't expect more than 1 DE to be drafted though.
12. P-We all say it, Sav could be upgraded and captain Zoltan should take over and destroy all special teams, but P is a need and could be addressed in the later rounds. Yes, even if it isn't Zoltan Mesko...
13. WR- We have our top 3 WRs set in stone, and with Baskett back, a solid fourth option there. A fifth WR may be needed, and even though I think WR is more likey to be drafted than a few of the psitions ahead of it, I don't see it as a bigger need per se. I definitely expect a WR to be drafted, but only in the later rounds.
14. K-I don't expect the Eagles to draft a kicker, but they will probably bring in more competition as a UDFA for Akers, who had a solid season last year.

I'm going to do a quick mock in a little based off of this, so if you have questions about my logic you can refer to this, if it isn't answered here or in the mock, ask and I'll be sure to oblige.