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Old 04-23-2010, 01:18 AM    (permalink
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There is still tomorrow, and I think the team will add a young vet, via trade. No preocupes!
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Kyle Wilson went what, 29? I guarantee Graham wouldn't have made it past 19.
The point is, you don't need to draft a DE when you have several perfectly good ones already.

You DO need to draft a playmaking CB/S like Earl Thomas or Kyle Wilson before they ALL get snapped up in the first round, as they did.

The secondary is completely depleted. All of the good cornerbacks are off the board. This is a BAD situation to be in.

Even if Brandon Graham turns into a stud DE, if your secondary is garbage, you're getting torched. And if he's a stud DE, why the hell did you trade for Tapp? To sit him on the bench?

If he's not a stud DE, why did you draft a guy #13 overall to sit on the bench or rotate in and out of the line?

This is just bad. They needed an elite CB or S to plug into the backfield from day one, and they didn't get one. They instead got a DL who probably won't see very many snaps in his rookie year.
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Good pressure on a QB can help mask a bad pass defense and by adding Graham they really made a huge move to mask the pass defense, he will rack up sacks and he is stout against the run. Brandon Graham is a fantastic player.
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They got the safety position set, Jackson/Mikell. They do need the corner help, and did not help them selfs by not drfting one. I like Arenas, but we no longer have a third round pick.
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Where does Graham project? LE, or rotational player?
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Where does Graham project? LE, or rotational player?
Graham is a left end, Andy Reid said it and Graham said on Eagles Live that he feels most comfortable on the left side of the line.
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no way, Griffen is the best DE in this draft. he didnt put up the numbers Graham did but will be the better pro(you have a crystal ball? kewl, can I borrow it?), he is bigger, stronger, faster and more explosive by a mile.
Nope, I'd say its either Graham or Morgan. He is bigger by a whopping 5 pounds, benched one more rep at 225 (really a big difference there, Graham is a wimp), and ran .07 seconds faster (OMGZZZ) in the 40. As far as explosion... watch them play, you are dead wrong about the explosion, Graham has a quicker first step, plays with more violence and leverage (making up for the vast strength difference), and has a MUCH higher motor and competitive edge. Graham offers much more to the Eagles than Griffen, both in the passing game and runnign game. There is a reason Griffen isn't picked yet.
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Graham is a left end, Andy Reid said it and Graham said on Eagles Live that he feels most comfortable on the left side of the line.
He's a LE, though I;m sure we'll see him all over the place, even at DT on passing situations.

As far as the CB situations go, there are no stud CBs left. But ask any scout or well-informed draft analyst, and they will tell you there is starting talent among the secondary prospects all the way into the third round. As it stands now, I think the Eagles are going to let the FS spot as it is, which I had a feeling may happen. I expect the Eagles to go OL and CB tomorrow, in what order, IDK, but that is how it looks to me.
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This is already the greatest draft in Eagles history. They could draft Carlos Dunlap today and I wouldn't even be mad.
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The point is, you don't need to draft a DE when you have several perfectly good ones already.

Even if Brandon Graham turns into a stud DE, if your secondary is garbage, you're getting torched. And if he's a stud DE, why the hell did you trade for Tapp? To sit him on the bench?

If he's not a stud DE, why did you draft a guy #13 overall to sit on the bench or rotate in and out of the line?

This is just bad. They needed an elite CB or S to plug into the backfield from day one, and they didn't get one. They instead got a DL who probably won't see very many snaps in his rookie year.
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In fact, Reid sees a lot of Cole in Graham.

"I haven't been around a lot of players that played harder than Trent Cole," Reid said. "That's the way (Graham) played at that level, at the college level. We'll see what he does here."

Reid made it clear that the Eagles had been targeting Graham all along, and they felt the need to move to No. 13 because they feared someone else might snatch up the Wolverine. They may have been right, as two of the next three picks following the Graham selection, including a pick by the division-rival Giants, were defensive ends.

"As long as we felt that we could get to where we could grab him," Reid said, when asked if he expected to move up. "That area right in there was a sticky area. What you know is the good defensive ends, the good secondary players, the good offensive tackles, those guys normally go fairly early in the draft. So you saw it."
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I was hoping that they would trade back into the first round with the Pats at #27 to take Kyle Wilson, but sadly that didn't happen.

For today, I am looking for a CB/S combo. Three corners that I like are Brandon Ghee, Chris Cook, and Jerome Murphy.

I really only like one S that if left, Nate Allen.

Maybe they could go for the USF combo?

What most likely happens though is that they take OL and either a S or CB.

Either way, I am excited for day two and can't wait for it to start.
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I really expect them to pick up an extra pick today, most likely a 3rd. I think the eagles know how deep the draft is and will try to make as many picks as possible.
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I know DB is our biggest need, but Kindle is a sleeper pick for tonight. He'd be a beast at SAM for us. Plus adding more pass rushers can't be a bad thing.
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Graham!!!!

Interesting to see what they do today.
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My only problem with it is that I dont think we needed to trade up to #13.

Also, we probably could have gone Earl Thomas and then Everson Girffin in the 2nd. We have much better depth at LDE than we do at FS.
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Like I mentioned in another thread, Graham + Allen/Burnett > Thomas + Griffen.
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Like I mentioned in another thread, Graham + Allen/Burnett > Thomas + Griffen.
Considering who we already have a LDE, I dont agree with that at all.
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I was hoping that they would trade back into the first round with the Pats at #27 to take Kyle Wilson, but sadly that didn't happen.

For today, I am looking for a CB/S combo. Three corners that I like are Brandon Ghee, Chris Cook, and Jerome Murphy.

I really only like one S that if left, Nate Allen.

Maybe they could go for the USF combo?

What most likely happens though is that they take OL and either a S or CB.

Either way, I am excited for day two and can't wait for it to start.
I too can't wait, and think as long as the Eagles get a coverage guy today, they will be fine. I have a sneaky feeling that they don't see FS as a need at all and the Eagles will go CB/OL today, but if they do go Safety, I like Allen, but Burnett is a guy who fits the defense a little better, is a more balanced Safety, and tackles better than Allen.

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I really expect them to pick up an extra pick today, most likely a 3rd. I think the eagles know how deep the draft is and will try to make as many picks as possible.
I think its a strong possibility as well, maybe trading up from one of their fourth rounders. I can defintiely see it happen, maybe for a RB or LB. (Trade up for one of those positions, I must be crazy, lol)

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I know DB is our biggest need, but Kindle is a sleeper pick for tonight. He'd be a beast at SAM for us. Plus adding more pass rushers can't be a bad thing.
At this point I would accept a Kindle pick, I just don't see it as likely, and the Eagles have shown they haven't broken away from how they value LBs, so I see it as unlikely, especially when you see the Eagles biggest needs happen to be at the positions they typically value the most.
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Considering who we already have a LDE, I dont agree with that at all.
I agree with GE77, I liked Griffen, but I loooooooved Graham, and honestly, Nate Allen brings a lot of the same things to the table as Thomas did. Burnett is a more balanced Safety who has enough range to succeed in the Eagles defense, and also has enough physicality to his game to help against the run.
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Yeah my thing was how is Graham going to get on the field? We have 3 LDEs. Cole, Tapp, and Graham. If the Eagles really wanted to go DE, I thought Morgan Burnett would have been a good pick, most complete DE and would have been great on that RDE spot.
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Yeah my thing was how is Graham going to get on the field? We have 3 LDEs. Cole, Tapp, and Graham. If the Eagles really wanted to go DE, I thought Morgan Burnett would have been a good pick, most complete DE and would have been great on that RDE spot.
Cole is a RE. Burnett is a Safety...

What are you smoking? lol
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Hahaha. Trent Cole has never played any position other than RDE. Also Tapp was a RDE in Seattle. This is how I see the eagles DE depth chart.

RDE - T. Cole / D. Tapp / Alex Hall*
LDE - B. Graham / J. Parker / V. Abiamiri

*Alex Hall is primarily a LB but can play DE if need be.

Not sure if the eagles are going to address DE again in this draft.
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Love the BG55 pick. Will make the whole defense better, secondary included. We still have two 2nd round picks, I wouldn't be surprised to see them both used on DBs.

The Eagles draft is already a win for me though.
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Hahaha. Trent Cole has never played any position other than RDE. Also Tapp was a RDE in Seattle. This is how I see the eagles DE depth chart.

RDE - T. Cole / D. Tapp / Alex Hall*
LDE - B. Graham / J. Parker / V. Abiamiri

*Alex Hall is primarily a LB but can play DE if need be.

Not sure if the eagles are going to address DE again in this draft.
I doubt the Eagles take another DE, I see Tapp as the primary backup for both DE spots actually, and when Cole is done, he will be the RE.

I think the Eagles will look CB/OL in the second round, maybe trade into the third for a RB or LB, look RB/LB/DT/WR/SS in the fourth and fifth, and TE/OL/LB/SS in the sixth and seventh.
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