Best DB in the NFC East? - Page 4

bdawk#1 · 10-19-2009, 06:51 PM

i voted for sheldon brown!

Go_Eagles77 · 10-30-2009, 09:40 PM

Interesting stat - QBs get a QB rating of 27.8 when they throw in Corey Webster's direction, which is good enough for 2nd best in the league. The only CB ranked ahead of him in this aspect? Sheldon Brown. QBs throwing in his direction get a QB rating of 2.3, by far the best in the league. Can you say under-rated?

http://profootballfocus.com/by_posit...=25&numgames=1

Giantsfan1080 · 10-31-2009, 12:22 AM

Sheldon Brown is excellent. It's very close between Webster and him.

Rosebud · 10-31-2009, 12:06 PM

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Interesting stat - QBs get a QB rating of 27.8 when they throw in Corey Webster's direction, which is good enough for 2nd best in the league. The only CB ranked ahead of him in this aspect? Sheldon Brown. QBs throwing in his direction get a QB rating of 2.3, by far the best in the league. Can you say under-rated?

http://profootballfocus.com/by_posit...=25&numgames=1

yeah, had I not voted for Web I would've voted for Sheldon and am baffled by how people can vote for Asante over him.

Thumper · 11-01-2009, 06:50 PM

Umm...

Today Corey Webster was burned for 2 touchdowns, he completely blew his coverage on DeSean Jackson's touchdown, Jeremy Maclin made an amazing grab over Webster for the TD and in addition on Shady McCoy's big TD run he was a non factor and he was the only defender down field and he was blocked by Maclin. Not a good day for Webster.

And the reason I voted for Samuel is because he is a great corner as well, he isn't as shutdown as Sheldon but Asante is the much better playmaker and is much more clutch, Samuel is one of the best ever in the postseason. I like Asante more just because of his big play ability but he is not slouch in coverage either, last season here are his numbers:Season Totals:
78 attempts, 6.51 YPA, 41.03 Forced INC%, 3 TDs, 4 INTs (via KC Joyner)

Those are great numbers, good for 20th in the NFL last season.

quincyyyyy · 11-01-2009, 07:13 PM

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Umm...

Today Corey Webster was burned for 2 touchdowns, he completely blew his coverage on DeSean Jackson's touchdown, Jeremy Maclin made an amazing grab over Webster for the TD and in addition on Shady McCoy's big TD run he was a non factor and he was the only defender down field and he was blocked by Maclin. Not a good day for Webster.

exactly overrated.

Giantsfan1080 · 11-01-2009, 07:19 PM

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Umm...

Today Corey Webster was burned for 2 touchdowns, he completely blew his coverage on DeSean Jackson's touchdown, Jeremy Maclin made an amazing grab over Webster for the TD and in addition on Shady McCoy's big TD run he was a non factor and he was the only defender down field and he was blocked by Maclin. Not a good day for Webster.

And the reason I voted for Samuel is because he is a great corner as well, he isn't as shutdown as Sheldon but Asante is the much better playmaker and is much more clutch, Samuel is one of the best ever in the postseason. I like Asante more just because of his big play ability but he is not slouch in coverage either, last season here are his numbers:Season Totals:
78 attempts, 6.51 YPA, 41.03 Forced INC%, 3 TDs, 4 INTs (via KC Joyner)

Those are great numbers, good for 20th in the NFL last season.

Wrong. The Webster TD to Jackson was actually Brown's fault. You could tell Webster thought Brown would be covering over the top and he totally gave up the route. The coverage scheme was for Brown to pick up the WR on a deep play. The Maclin play was on Webster but it was more of Maclin making a great play than Webster doing anything wrong. The ball was thrown up and Maclin was physical and made the play. Webster was in the right place and had a hand in there but he couldn't knock the ball out. Also, Webster made a very good place against Jackson earlier in the game in the endzone. The ball was in DeSean's hands and Webster knocked it out saving the TD.

Giantsfan1080 · 11-01-2009, 07:20 PM

I don't understand why Cowboy trolls are around to roam free with no repurcussions.

Thumper · 11-01-2009, 07:26 PM

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Wrong. The Webster TD to Jackson was actually Brown's fault. You could tell Webster thought Brown would be covering over the top and he totally gave up the route. The coverage scheme was for Brown to pick up the WR on a deep play. The Maclin play was on Webster but it was more of Maclin making a great play than Webster doing anything wrong. The ball was thrown up and Maclin was physical and made the play. Webster was in the right place and had a hand in there but he couldn't knock the ball out. Also, Webster made a very good place against Jackson earlier in the game in the endzone. The ball was in DeSean's hands and Webster knocked it out saving the TD.

Yeah, I initially thought that play was on Webster just because I saw him fall of DeSean and I thought he bit on a fake or McNabb baited him with his eyes or something, but after some reviewing the Giants were running Tampa-2 and the play was definitely on the safety, my bad.

And on the Maclin play, that was more Maclin but still it contributes to a bad day, great coverage but Webster just couldn't break it up, unlucky break kind of the story of the Giants game.

And yeah, the troll needs to go.

Giantsfan1080 · 11-01-2009, 07:51 PM

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Yeah, I initially thought that play was on Webster just because I saw him fall of DeSean and I thought he bit on a fake or McNabb baited him with his eyes or something, but after some reviewing the Giants were running Tampa-2 and the play was definitely on the safety, my bad.

And on the Maclin play, that was more Maclin but still it contributes to a bad day, great coverage but Webster just couldn't break it up, unlucky break kind of the story of the Giants game.

And yeah, the troll needs to go.

Yeah thanks for owning up. I was so impressed with Maclin on that TD that I'm pretty sure you have 2 beasts for the next 10 years. I thought Jackson and Maclin were two similar WR's but Maclin is a lot more tough and physical than I thought. I know he's a speedster but he is a different WR than Jackson.

Go_Eagles77 · 11-01-2009, 08:03 PM

Hakeem Nicks had a great play on Sheldon Brown as well but just like the Maclin play it was more of a great play by the WR than a bad play by the CB.

Giantsfan1080 · 11-01-2009, 08:07 PM

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Hakeem Nicks had a great play on Sheldon Brown as well but just like the Maclin play it was more of a great play by the WR than a bad play by the CB.

Yup, as I said I think Brown and Webster are very very close. They are similar CB's but of course we're going to go with our hometown players.

quincyyyyy · 11-01-2009, 08:57 PM

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Yup, as I said I think Brown and Webster are very very close. They are similar CB's but of course we're going to go with our hometown players.

How did your boy Eli Manning play today? Still think he is not overrated?

Rosebud · 11-01-2009, 09:23 PM

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How did your boy Eli Manning play today? Still think he is not overrated?

Unsuccessful troll is unsuccessful.

quincyyyyy · 11-01-2009, 09:29 PM

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Unsuccessful troll is unsuccessful.

Do you still think Eli Manning is better than Romo?

Go_Eagles77 · 11-01-2009, 09:33 PM

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Do you still think Eli Manning is better than Romo?

Because 1 game is proof of how good a player is. What did you say after Tony Romo and the cowboys lost to the eagles 44-6 last year?

Thumper · 11-01-2009, 09:33 PM

Wait until December, then we'll see how good Romo is. :D

superman8456 · 11-01-2009, 09:38 PM

Sheldon Brown got ****** out of an INT by the refs. Our DB's played a really solid game against the Giants, but damn we were so inconsistent against Steve Smith.

Giantsfan1080 · 11-01-2009, 09:41 PM

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Sheldon Brown got ****** out of an INT by the refs. Our DB's played a really solid game against the Giants, but damn we were so inconsistent against Steve Smith.

It was within 5 yards but Eli had already released the ball and Brown was still holding barely. Not that it mattered but we got screwed out of that defensive TD by Osi. There was no visual evidence to overturn that call.

superman8456 · 11-01-2009, 09:43 PM

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It was within 5 yards but Eli had already released the ball and Brown was still holding barely. Not that it mattered but we got screwed out of that defensive TD by Osi. There was no visual evidence to overturn that call.

I was at the game and I didnt see the replay of that Osi TD, so I cant really say, but it looked clean from my angle.

Kenny Phillips replacement was struggling hard.

Giantsfan1080 · 11-01-2009, 09:58 PM

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I was at the game and I didnt see the replay of that Osi TD, so I cant really say, but it looked clean from my angle.

Kenny Phillips replacement was struggling hard.

Yeah he is terrible. There is nothing else to say.

M.O.T.H. · 11-01-2009, 11:05 PM

Should be able to add Mike Jenkins to the short list after this year. Hopefully, that is. :) He's probably our best DB right now. Teams are starting to avoid his side completely for long stretches. He's real tough to beat and he just keeps getting better and better. He's looking like that lock down corner. It will be interesting to see how well he plays against the Eagles and Packers in the next two weeks. He has been quite impressive up to this point.

Giantsfan1080 · 11-01-2009, 11:23 PM

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Should be able to add Mike Jenkins to the short list after this year. Hopefully, that is. :) He's probably our best DB right now. Teams are starting to avoid his side completely for long stretches. He's real tough to beat and he just keeps getting better and better. He's looking like that lock down corner. It will be interesting to see how well he plays against the Eagles and Packers in the next two weeks. He has been quite impressive up to this point.

Is he switching sides to the best WR or is he just playing whoever is on his side of the field?

M.O.T.H. · 11-01-2009, 11:36 PM

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Is he switching sides to the best WR or is he just playing whoever is on his side of the field?

It depends...he has spent time doing both. Shadowing their best receiver or just standing pat. You should start seeing a lot more of him shadowing the best receiver. He's playing tremendously, regardless of who he is defending. I may be jumping the gun a bit but, his future is looking mighty bright.

Giantsfan1080 · 11-01-2009, 11:38 PM

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It depends...he has spent time doing both. Shadowing their best receiver or just standing pat. You should start seeing a lot more of him shadowing the best receiver. He's playing tremendously, regardless of who he is defending. I may be jumping the gun a bit but, his future is looking mighty bright.

You can tell when a CB is taking a step to the next level. I'm going to keep an eye on him more now.