Best DB in the NFC East? - Page 5

eaglesalltheway · 11-02-2009, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Giantsfan1080

Wrong. The Webster TD to Jackson was actually Brown's fault. You could tell Webster thought Brown would be covering over the top and he totally gave up the route. The coverage scheme was for Brown to pick up the WR on a deep play. The Maclin play was on Webster but it was more of Maclin making a great play than Webster doing anything wrong. The ball was thrown up and Maclin was physical and made the play. Webster was in the right place and had a hand in there but he couldn't knock the ball out. Also, Webster made a very good place against Jackson earlier in the game in the endzone. The ball was in DeSean's hands and Webster knocked it out saving the TD.

Agreed. Webster did well today, it was just a matter of his opponent doing better, and some luck...

Giantsfan1080 · 11-02-2009, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by eaglesalltheway

Agreed. Webster did well today, it was just a matter of his opponent doing better, and some luck...

The more I see the Jackson TD the worse it gets for Brown. He sees Jackson wide open at the 32 yard line with the ball still not thrown yet he decides to start taking the diagnol route for a tackle. Next thing he knows he's at the 20 but Jackson is so fast that he's 7 yards behind.

eaglesalltheway · 11-02-2009, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Giantsfan1080

The more I see the Jackson TD the worse it gets for Brown. He sees Jackson wide open at the 32 yard line with the ball still not thrown yet he decides to start taking the diagnol route for a tackle. Next thing he knows he's at the 20 but Jackson is so fast that he's 7 yards behind.

Speed can make great players look bad. So what classification does brown fall from in to? lol

Giantsfan1080 · 11-02-2009, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by eaglesalltheway

Speed can make great players look bad. So what classification does brown fall from in to? lol

Hmm he can't cover and he also takes bad routes on bad passes. He's supposed to cover the run well but we're starting to blitz him more to hide him from the pass that teams are running when they see that.

Rosebud · 11-02-2009, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Giantsfan1080

Hmm he can't cover and he also takes bad routes on bad passes. He's supposed to cover the run well but we're starting to blitz him more to hide him from the pass that teams are running when they see that.

I just can't wait until we get ross and boley back, boley helps shut down the middle in the passing game and with all of our corners we'll be able to sub a corner in for brown in passing situations.

D-Unit · 11-02-2009, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Rosebud

I just can't wait until we get ross and boley back, boley helps shut down the middle in the passing game and with all of our corners we'll be able to sub a corner in for brown in passing situations.

Giants fans overrate both players. You guys got problems and it ain't just missing those 2.

Giantsfan1080 · 11-02-2009, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by D-Unit

Giants fans overrate both players. You guys got problems and it ain't just missing those 2.

I somewhat agree. I've been saying it all day. We didn't have them last year yet our defense was above average. I'm starting to think Spags was even more of a difference than I realized.

Rosebud · 11-02-2009, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by D-Unit

Giants fans overrate both players. You guys got problems and it ain't just missing those 2.

Oh I know that those 2 won't turn us into the 2001 baltimore ravens, but the middle of the field is badly exposed a lot of the time and Boley takes care of that problem. And our DTs are getting pushed around in the run game, so Canty not only gives us another healthy body in the middle to keep cofield, bernard and robbens fresher, but is also by far our best run stuffing DT. Simply put they'll help with our biggest problems even though they might not be the whole solution.

Rosebud · 11-02-2009, 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Giantsfan1080

I somewhat agree. I've been saying it all day. We didn't have them last year yet our defense was above average. I'm starting to think Spags was even more of a difference than I realized.

Spags was really great for us, there's a reason I so desperately wanted Coughlin to retire and let spags succeed him here.

Giantsfan1080 · 11-02-2009, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Rosebud

Spags was really great for us, there's a reason I so desperately wanted Coughlin to retire and let spags succeed him here.

I wanted Spags to stay big time but I still didn't think he was THAT big a difference. Looking at it now though we need him back.

Rosebud · 11-02-2009, 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Giantsfan1080

I wanted Spags to stay big time but I still didn't think he was THAT big a difference. Looking at it now though we need him back.

I wish you could put Sheridan's coverage schemes together with spags' pressure schemes and play calling. You'd have a great defensive co-ordinator. I still think it's more on Robbens having had a great season last year and reverting to norm this year as well as the rest of our DT core being more worn out this year, on top of an Offense that just isn't dominating with the run the way we were which was huge since it forced offense to play catch up which played right into the hands of our D.

bigbluedefense · 11-02-2009, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by D-Unit

Giants fans overrate both players. You guys got problems and it ain't just missing those 2.

Ross yes.

Boley. Absolutely not. Boley is going to make a huge difference in our pass defense. Our CBs held it down yesterday, it was our safeties and LBs that got killed.

But once Boley comes back, we won't run as much Cover 2. You'll see a huge difference in our pass defense when he comes back.

But like you're eluding to, the real issue with this defense is rush defense. And that won't change with those additions. So unless Canty plays like 2008 Albert Haynesworth, we're in trouble in rush defense.

HEISMANHERSCHEL · 11-02-2009, 12:37 PM

First off, Asante is in the discussion. No one should act like he is not. He is really good.

And as for Mike Jenkins-he is not on this level yet. I wish he was, but he just aint.

bigbluedefense · 11-02-2009, 12:41 PM

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First off, Asante is in the discussion. No one should act like he is not. He is really good.

And as for Mike Jenkins-he is not on this level yet. I wish he was, but he just aint.

Sheldon Brown is by far their best CB though.

As much as Giants fans pimp Corey Webster, Brown is playing just as good.

Id say right here right now, the top CBs in the league are:

1. Nmandi Asomugah
2. Darrell Revis
3. Corey Webster
3. Sheldon Brown

Im gonna make it a tie between Web and Brown, bc Brown hasn't gone against a Larry Fitzgerald/DeSean Jackson like WR yet.

And before ppl point out DJax, he got his 1 long pass on CC Brown on a busted Cover 2 play. CWeb held him to 1 quick slant for 8 yards.

Maclin made an amazing catch on CWeb though. It was perfectly defended, but it was the perfect throw and catch. His first TD pass he's given up since Week 9 of last year according to Mike Garrafalo.

Giantsfan1080 · 11-02-2009, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by bigbluedefense

Sheldon Brown is by far their best CB though.

As much as Giants fans pimp Corey Webster, Brown is playing just as good.

Id say right here right now, the top CBs in the league are:

1. Nmandi Asomugah
2. Darrell Revis
3. Corey Webster
3. Sheldon Brown

Im gonna make it a tie between Web and Brown, bc Brown hasn't gone against a Larry Fitzgerald/DeSean Jackson like WR yet.

And before ppl point out DJax, he got his 1 long pass on CC Brown on a busted Cover 2 play. CWeb held him to 1 quick slant for 8 yards.

Maclin made an amazing catch on CWeb though. It was perfectly defended, but it was the perfect throw and catch. His first TD pass he's given up since Week 9 of last year according to Mike Garrafalo.

I pretty much said all the same stuff on the last page. Webster was very good yesterday as always. He made a great play on Jackson in the end zone to save a TD early in the game don't forget.

bigbluedefense · 11-02-2009, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Giantsfan1080

I pretty much said all the same stuff on the last page. Webster was very good yesterday as always. He made a great play on Jackson in the end zone to save a TD early in the game don't forget.

CWeb and TT both shut down their guys. Our CB duo is nasty.

The issue is our LBs without Boley are doo doo and so are our safeties.

M.O.T.H. · 11-02-2009, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by HEISMANHERSCHEL

First off, Asante is in the discussion. No one should act like he is not. He is really good.

And as for Mike Jenkins-he is not on this level yet. I wish he was, but he just aint.

I wouldnt add Mike until the season has all but ended. He's on his way but, yeah he's not there yet. Tis a tough group to get in.

D-Unit · 11-02-2009, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Giantsfan1080

I somewhat agree. I've been saying it all day. We didn't have them last year yet our defense was above average. I'm starting to think Spags was even more of a difference than I realized.

That's it right there. I think you guys underestimated his departure. We all talked about it in the preseason, but you tried to deny it based off the talent on paper that you guys had.

What's odd is that I thought the Eagles losing JJ would hurt them more than losing Spags would hurt you.

Giantsfan1080 · 11-02-2009, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by D-Unit

That's it right there. I think you guys underestimated his departure. We all talked about it in the preseason, but you tried to deny it based off the talent on paper that you guys had.

What's odd is that I thought the Eagles losing JJ would hurt them more than losing Spags would hurt you.

It's not like we wanted Spags out of here. I'm pretty sure there is not one Giants fans that had anything bad to say about him. With that said it looked like Sheridan was going to be a very similarly styled D-Coordinator but it hasn't worked out that way.

bigbluedefense · 11-02-2009, 02:10 PM

To be fair to Sheridan, he does do some things that I like. His coverage integrity schemes are actually better than Spags.

Whats hurting him is the lack of discipline from the defense, lack of experience, his simplified fronts of Spags defense, his pressure packages just aren't as creative as Spags, and rush defense, which Im not sure if you can really put on him.

He's done some things coverage wise that was pretty nifty though. Like dropping TT back as a Cover 2 MIKE in some plays against Arizona.

Using TT to cover TEs.

Basically, everything he does with TT. TT is so versatile, and Sheridan does a good job of taking advantage of that in coverage.

Go_Eagles77 · 11-02-2009, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by D-Unit

What's odd is that I thought the Eagles losing JJ would hurt them more than losing Spags would hurt you.

Luckily for us, like Spags, Sean McDermott was taught well by JJ and runs a very similar (almost identical) defensive scheme. I hope he can stick around as D-Coordinator for more than a couple years though.

D-Unit · 11-02-2009, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by bigbluedefense

Sheldon Brown is by far their best CB though.

As much as Giants fans pimp Corey Webster, Brown is playing just as good.

Id say right here right now, the top CBs in the league are:

1. Nmandi Asomugah
2. Darrell Revis
3. Corey Webster
3. Sheldon Brown

Im gonna make it a tie between Web and Brown, bc Brown hasn't gone against a Larry Fitzgerald/DeSean Jackson like WR yet.

And before ppl point out DJax, he got his 1 long pass on CC Brown on a busted Cover 2 play. CWeb held him to 1 quick slant for 8 yards.

Maclin made an amazing catch on CWeb though. It was perfectly defended, but it was the perfect throw and catch. His first TD pass he's given up since Week 9 of last year according to Mike Garrafalo.

Here's mine. Before I start I know it sounds like near blasphemy not to list Nnamdi Asomugha #1, but I'm not.

1. DRC
2. Nnamdi Asomugha
3. Darrelle Revis
4. Asante Samuel
5. Nate Clements

NFC East

1. Asante Samuel
2. Corey Webster
3. Sheldon Brown
4. Mike Jenkins
5. Terrell Thomas

bigbluedefense · 11-02-2009, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by D-Unit

Here's mine. Before I start I know it sounds like near blasphemy not to list Nnamdi Asomugha #1, but I'm not.

1. DRC
2. Nnamdi Asomugha
3. Darrelle Revis
4. Asante Samuel
5. Nate Clements

NFC East

1. Asante Samuel
2. Corey Webster
3. Sheldon Brown
4. Mike Jenkins
5. Terrell Thomas

Oooh, i disagree with this bro. DRC is in no way the best in the league. Hes gotten bitched quite a few times. I love him, love his potential, but he's no way the best in the league.

Nate Clements is underrated at this point, i like his mention, but im not sure if id put him top 5.

As for the East, Brown and CWeb are both better than Asante, Asante gambles too much.

And I like Jenkins, I wanted him in that draft, but TT is better right now. They could become neck and neck in the future though. But I don't think ppl realize how well TT has played this year. Our CB duo in general. You can't throw against our CBs in man coverage...either of them.

TT would be a lockdown #1 CB on most teams in the league.

Thumper · 11-02-2009, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by D-Unit

Here's mine. Before I start I know it sounds like near blasphemy not to list Nnamdi Asomugha #1, but I'm not.

1. DRC
2. Nnamdi Asomugha
3. Darrelle Revis
4. Asante Samuel
5. Nate Clements

NFC East

1. Asante Samuel
2. Corey Webster
3. Sheldon Brown
4. Mike Jenkins
5. Terrell Thomas

I agree with the NFC East list but you're NFL list is questionable. DRC has given up 5 touchdowns this season and Nate Clements was recently benched in favor of Tarell Brown.

D-Unit · 11-02-2009, 02:52 PM

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I agree with the NFC East list but you're NFL list is questionable. DRC has given up 5 touchdowns this season and Nate Clements was recently benched in favor of Tarell Brown.

Oh ok. Didn't know that. Screw my list. :p