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Old 10-01-2009, 04:12 AM    (permalink
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COREY WEBSTER...

yes for the Giants it is Corey Webster, number 23... He has had 12 Passes thrown his way in three games, allowed 3 completitions for 22 yards (one was a screen) and has gotten 1 interception. Corey Webster is defenitly a top 5 corner (maybe even top 3) in the NFL
Corey's been our best player, but I think the role eli has played in our wins is greater.
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The Buccaneers do not have an MVP. They all equally suck.
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1. Drew Brees
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Flacco is getting alot of love, and deservedly so, but Im gunna go with this man yet again:



He makes the whole defense click and is still a top tier linebacker after all this time. Hes playing like hes 25 again and is out there flying around making (sometimes game saving) tackles. Hes the face of the Ravens, at least for now. Flacco will be soon enough I imagine though.
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The guy that has stood out for the Lions is Larry Foote. I'd say he's Detroit's MVP.
Really?? This makes me happy.

For the Steelers, I would agree with Troy or Ben. If the WR's would run the right routes and catch the ball we would be 3-0. If Troy was in, not for sure, but good possibility, we are 3-0. Oh well.
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4. Jason Peters- Wow. Who would of thought that when Andy Reid said he traded for the best LT in football, he might have been right? After a horrendous pre-season he has come out and completely owned the left side. He has given up one sack, and it was flukey. He is fantastic in run blocking, he gets out on screen passes better than any tackle I've ever seen and he is keeping the QB clean. The QB has to worry about pressure from all other spots on the line, but whether it is Kolb or McNabb, they can trust that no one is getting by the massive #71.
I think he's given up two, but you're obscure stat whiz. I thought I saw something in a Philly website (Inquirer?) giving him two sacks.
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Flacco is getting alot of love, and deservedly so, but Im gunna go with this man yet again:



He makes the whole defense click and is still a top tier linebacker after all this time. Hes playing like hes 25 again and is out there flying around making (sometimes game saving) tackles. Hes the face of the Ravens, at least for now. Flacco will be soon enough I imagine though.
I agree. The reason I put Flacco is because he has played so good these past 3 games and the less mistakes he makes the better our chances for winning. Ray Lewis is always the MVP for our team lets give Flacco some shine!!!!!!
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The problem with those football outsiders runs stats for the offensive line, is that they don't take into account who the running back is and if they are using a fullback to block as well. Also the "left tackle" stats are when a team runs between the left tackle and the left guard. You might want to look at the "left end" stats (which tells you how successful a team is running outside the tackle) to determine how well a left tackle is actually playing.
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Top 5 Colts MVPs:

1) Peyton Manning
2) Peyton Manning
3) Peyton Manning
4) Peyton Manning
5) Peyton Manning

Honorable Mentions: Peyton Manning, Peyton Manning, Peyton Manning

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The problem with those football outsiders runs stats for the offensive line, is that they don't take into account who the running back is and if they are using a fullback to block as well. Also the "left tackle" stats are when a team runs between the left tackle and the left guard. You might want to look at the "left end" stats (which tells you how successful a team is running outside the tackle) to determine how well a left tackle is actually playing.
Yes and no, you're right about he flaws. The lt run blocking stats are more representative of a left tackles drive blocking skills while the left end stats are more representative of a tackes ability to seal the edge. The left end stats make Roos look even worse btw.

Also Sniper, the eagles have only given up two sacks. Winston justice gave one up to Julius peppers and jason peters gave one up to Bobby mccray. The site that you got that from probably didn't watch the game and just looked at he box score and saw that Julius peppers had a sack and since he usually plays re they figure it was peters who allowed it. Peppers moved to the left side toward the end of the game and he beat justice on a sack and he forced the fumble.
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Carson Palmer is the obvious answer, pretty much the only answer for the Bengals. MVP, to me, means not only which player is doing well, but also which player is most indispensable, and which player is most integral in winning. That said, there's really no argument against Carson. I don't care what his passer rating is, his three heroic 4th Quarter drives in three games (only to have one spoiled) puts him right there with anyone in the league in the category of most integral to his team's success and most indispensable. We have a shot at a winning record with Carson, without him we're a 5-11 football team at best.

The man he edges out for Bengals MVP (through 3 games) may surprise some. Cedric Benson was an afterthought of the disappointing 2005 draft. Last year Benson showed signs of life in Cincinnati, this year he's shown that he may fulfill the expectations the Chicago Bears had for him when they selected him fourth overall. He is the first legitimate threat at Running Back the Bengals have had since Rudi was in his prime; based on watching Benson play and listening to practice reports, Benson may be the best back the Bengals have had since Corey Dillon. He's fast, he's tough, he has good vision, he fights for extra yards, finishes runs, and always seems to fall forward. This legitimate threat of a running game gives the Cincinnati Bengals and Carson Palmer a chance. It's a bit early, but I believe that Cedric Benson might very well be best back in the AFC North. Maybe people will begin to realize what Bengals fans had been saying all off-season, Benson is for real in Cincy.

The AFC Defensive Player of the Month, Antwan Odom, also deserves some recognition for his seven sacks in three games and consistent pressure. A pass rush isn't something Bengals fans have gotten used to yet, but it'd be great to buck that trend this year. Odom has done, by far, the most to this point preying on the Packers OT's and also recording two sacks at Denver. His pressure though has led to some rushed decisions as well. Newcomers Rey Maualuga and Roy Williams may get the press for turning this defense around, but Odom an athletic, powerful pass-rusher has been the one to set the tone for Zimmer's D. His turnaround this year, after cashing in big with Bengals in 2008, has been the greatest difference in individual achievement on the entire team.

Rookie Quan Cosby is by no means the MVP, but if you have followed the Bengals in great detail, you'll know in the past decade we haven't been able to return punts. Quan is a revelation though, averaging over 16 yards a return (11 returns) including a 60 yarder against Green Bay to set up a score. He moves north-south, but has enough vision and wiggle to get through small holes and turn 5 yards into 15. For the Bengals, along with Benson's role and Odom's, this is a revelation.
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Oh, and about the best LT debate...come on fellas...We all know its Jared Gaither.
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Oh, and about the best LT debate...come on fellas...We all know its Jared Gaither.
If not now he will eventually be. Gaither/Oher>all
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Gaither was such a freakin steal. How did nobody bid higher than a 5th for him
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Gaither was such a freakin steal. How did nobody bid higher than a 5th for him
i was so pissed when the Giants didn't make a bid for him. we had (and still do) David Diehl at LT and we didn't make a bid for Gaither?

That one still hurts.

i thought he'd go round 3 in that supplemental draft. round 5 was unbelievable.
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i was so pissed when the Giants didn't make a bid for him. we had (and still do) David Diehl at LT and we didn't make a bid for Gaither?

That one still hurts.

i thought he'd go round 3 in that supplemental draft. round 5 was unbelievable.
Trust me it's worse if your team gave up a 4th in that same supplemental draft for the ghost of Paul Oliver.
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Trust me it's worse if your team gave up a 4th in that same supplemental draft for the ghost of Paul Oliver.
oh yeah haha.

ouch.

Imagine McNeil at RT and Gaither at LT?

that would be one epic win.
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