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Old 09-30-2009, 09:22 PM    (permalink
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If Jimmy Smith was gifted with Randy Moss' athleticism and talent (or the other way around, with Moss being given Smith's dedication to his craft), we'd have the greatest WR of all time.

Jimmy Smith ran immaculate routs and NEVER tipped off the defensive back (Chris McAlister once said that no matter what Jimmy did, be it a slant, curl or a block on a run play, he ALWAYS ran the first few steps of the route the EXACT same way, making it impossible to diagnose what he was going to do). Those are the two things Moss is not great at.
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1. Jerry Rice
2. Randy Moss

And it's debateable from there but you have to have these guys in this order to begin any credible list.
As a Packers fan you should know that Don Hutson deserves to in the very least be in the discussion for #2.
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Hutson is in the discussion BUT MOSS IS A DOUCHEBAG! :D
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If Jimmy Smith was gifted with Randy Moss' athleticism and talent (or the other way around, with Moss being given Smith's dedication to his craft), we'd have the greatest WR of all time.

Jimmy Smith ran immaculate routs and NEVER tipped off the defensive back (Chris McAlister once said that no matter what Jimmy did, be it a slant, curl or a block on a run play, he ALWAYS ran the first few steps of the route the EXACT same way, making it impossible to diagnose what he was going to do). Those are the two things Moss is not great at.
John Madden would say a million times when I played the Jags on a old school version of Madden "Jimmy Smith has the ability to have a 100 200 or even 300 yard game" :).
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As a Packers fan you should know that Don Hutson deserves to in the very least be in the discussion for #2.
I was wondering when Hutson was going to get a mention.

Yes, the game was different when he played, but he was so ridiculously productive in his era, he's definitely in the conversation in my opinion.
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I was wondering when Hutson was going to get a mention.

Yes, the game was different when he played, but he was so ridiculously productive in his era, he's definitely in the conversation in my opinion.
Agreed. I think the list should always be Rice/Hutson 1/2. I understand the Moss love, but I think Hutson really changed the game and we all know how dominant Rice was.
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To me, Moss is the most talented, dominant and impactful WR of all-time.

edit: Though production doesn't lie. Jerry is still #1 but I stand by what I said above.
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IMO Rice is unquestionably the best and possibly the most dominant.

But there is a very good arguement for Moss being the best when on his game.
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wow, people saying he's better than Rice makes me shake my head.

he's #2 or #3 for sure though.
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wow, people saying he's better than Rice makes me shake my head.

he's #2 or #3 for sure though.
I think right now when you compare their production, it isn't much of an argument, but if you ask me who i want on my team for a game, at the prime of their career, i'm taking Randy Moss.
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Randy Moss is a fantastic player, but Jerry Rice has the jewelry
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I don't know if any WR has ever had as big of an impact on defense as randy moss and his big play ability. Does that make him the best WR ever? Not necessarily, but I think it certainly puts him in the discussion.
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What the hell does it matter that Jerry Rice has rings? How does that make him a better WR than Randy Moss?
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I don't know if any WR has ever had as big of an impact on defense as randy moss and his big play ability. Does that make him the best WR ever? Not necessarily, but I think it certainly puts him in the discussion.
If you're going with that, Don Hutson wins, because when Hutson started in the league, they did not double team receivers. Everyone played straight up one on one. Then he put up numbers equivalent to the next three guys combined
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It helped that Jerry Rice had Joe Montana and Steve Young throwing to him as well. Moss has only had Brady for a year now and a couple of games now.
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What the hell does it matter that Jerry Rice has rings? How does that make him a better WR than Randy Moss?
The goal is to win the Superbowl and Jerry Rice was at his best on the biggest stage.
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As a Packers fan you should know that Don Hutson deserves to in the very least be in the discussion for #2.
Slipped my mind. Some say Don Hutson was Jerry Rice before Jerry Rice was.
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It helped that Jerry Rice had Joe Montana and Steve Young throwing to him as well. Moss has only had Brady for a year now and a couple of games now.
And that ridiculously stacked Minnesota team that choked to the Falcons.

And isn't this year 3 of Moss in New England?
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It helps that Joe Montana and Steve Young had Jerry Rice to throw to.
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And that ridiculously stacked Minnesota team that choked to the Falcons.

And isn't this year 3 of Moss in New England?
It's his 3rd year but Brady was out all of last year.
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And that ridiculously stacked Minnesota team that choked to the Falcons.

And isn't this year 3 of Moss in New England?
A year and a couple games would mean all of '07 and a couple games this year. Brady was out last year, 'member?
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The goal is to win the Superbowl and Jerry Rice was at his best on the biggest stage.
That's ********. A WR probably has the least in his control on whether his team is successful or not, so i don't know why you're trying to use Super Bowl wins as a barometer for greatness between Rice and Moss.
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It's his 3rd year but Brady was out all of last year.
Fair enough.

I still do not see how anyone can rule out championships... that is the whole point
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If you're going with that, Don Hutson wins, because when Hutson started in the league, they did not double team receivers. Everyone played straight up one on one. Then he put up numbers equivalent to the next three guys combined
Fair enough, I just think Randy's impact on the passing game even when he isn't touching the ball is mindblowing and have never seen Hutson play.

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And that ridiculously stacked Minnesota team that choked to the Falcons.

And isn't this year 3 of Moss in New England?
That ridiculously stacked Minnesota team still had a mediocre defense which the 9ers never really suffered from.
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Shouldn't we answer this question once Randy Moss's career is done?
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