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View Poll Results: Who is the best CB in the NFC East
Sheldon Brown 11 6.40%
Lito Sheppard 60 34.88%
Terence Newman 86 50.00%
Shawn Springs 14 8.14%
Anthony Henry 1 0.58%
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Just to answer to why I voted Lito (and I'm definitely not a Cowboys or Eagles fan, if I am partial to any NFC East team, it's the Skins from growing up in the area) -

Yes, I believe, pure coverage, Terence Newman is probably the best corner on that list. But I don't believe Lito's coverage abilities is that much worse off than him, and I believe that people didn't challenge Newman as much this year in part because Henry was injured and could be attacked (and no, I don't think Henry would be the number 1 on a lot of other teams, on a couple teams, maybe). Since I don't think the overall cover abilities are that much different between the two, Lito's playmaking ability and instincts is what gives him the edge for me. Granted, a case can be made that the poor play of Brown this year and the openings in deep coverage may have helped Lito as well.

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Here's one random thing I'll toss out (not saying this is what he'll do ... but just a random idea) - I wonder if the Skins might be able to really get creative, and perhaps, say, run a 2-gap cover 2 scheme that blitzes. Sounds like a ton, and I obviously am just throwing it out there. But personnel wise, the Redskins lack the ability to create pressure from base sets, as they ideally need another pass rusher on the outside to pair with Carter, and an interior pass rusher. If they bulk up on base sets, a 2-gap scheme could protect against the run a bit better, and allow the linebackers to roam a bit more. Their secondary has better depth with the Fisher and Smoot signings, but both are questionable signings as well, although they should be improvements from last year. The safety position next to Taylor is iffy, but Taylor, though, can't consistently sit back as it limits his impact, and he needs to be put in a position where he doesn't have to overthink his role and can trust his instincts.

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No, Newman is just as good of a playmaker, he just doesn't get thrown at. Watch his college tapes. The reason Lito gets more picks is because 1, you get more pressure, and 1, he is thrown at A LOT MORE. Have you ever seen the Eagles d-line rotation, as much as I hate them, they are pretty nasty at getting pressure. Probably top 3 in the league, so thier CBs look a lot better because of that. Newman doesn't have that luxury.

And now eaglesalltheway you are reverting to acting like a 2 year old, and swearing.

And if you don't think Newman plays just like Deion, expectbetter tackling, your definitly on some type of drug.
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No, Newman is just as good of a playmaker, he just doesn't get thrown at. Watch his college tapes. The reason Lito gets more picks is because 1, you get more pressure, and 1, he is thrown at A LOT MORE. Have you ever seen the Eagles d-line rotation, as much as I hate them, they are pretty nasty at getting pressure. Probably top 3 in the league, so thier CBs look a lot better because of that. Newman doesn't have that luxury.

And now eaglesalltheway you are reverting to acting like a 2 year old, and swearing.

And if you don't think Newman plays just like Deion, expectbetter tackling, your definitly on some type of drug.
Are you Terence Newman's mom or something? I defend my favorite players too but wow now you're just making ignorant staments.
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And if you don't think Newman plays just like Deion, expectbetter tackling, your definitly on some type of drug.

You are out of your mind. I am pretty sure Deion Sanders was never beaten by receivers of the caliber of Mike Williams, Michael Jenkins, and Ashley Lelie. I like Newman, I voted for him, but your homerism gives all 'Boys fans a bad name.
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He's just as good of a playmaker? He had one pick all season, and Lito was out for four games and had 6 INTs. As for acting like a two year old, your the one who kees PMing me to tell me why Newman is better, which isn't true. I told you four PMs ago I would like to stop, but you had to keep going. And by the way, I saw I had another PM from you, and I deleted it, so stop wasting your time PMing me because I will delete another one. So in conclusion, get over it, stop whining (Like that one better, I don't want to stoop down to your level) and just shut up about this already.
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No, Newman is just as good of a playmaker, he just doesn't get thrown at. Watch his college tapes. The reason Lito gets more picks is because 1, you get more pressure, and 1, he is thrown at A LOT MORE. Have you ever seen the Eagles d-line rotation, as much as I hate them, they are pretty nasty at getting pressure. Probably top 3 in the league, so thier CBs look a lot better because of that. Newman doesn't have that luxury.

And now eaglesalltheway you are reverting to acting like a 2 year old, and swearing.

And if you don't think Newman plays just like Deion, expectbetter tackling, your definitly on some type of drug.
Are you serious? Do you watch the Eagles? When Kearse went out, the defensive line rotation SUCKED. For 14 games, there was no rotation. 3 DEs. 3 DTs. Every team does that. There was hardly any pressure on the QB last year. 40 sacks, and 16 came in the first 3 games. After that there was almost no pass rush to be seen, other than when they played the Drew Bledsoe statue.
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I am not saying he is as good as deion, I am just saying his playing styles are just like Deion's. And all 3 of those TDs Newman gave up, the QB had over 5 seconds, which shouldn't happen, because our pressure sucks.

And the eagles are known for there pressure. They have 10x the pressure the cowboys do, and Lito definitly benefits from it.

I just love how eaglesalltheway actually thinks Newman isn't the best CB in the East, lmao.
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As for the college stuff, that is college, not the NFL. The talent is much better in the NFL than college. Lets see how much of a fan you are of this guy TNew, if this guy is your favorite player, you should know where he went to colloge and High School. I will expect that information within 10 minutes of this post, though it should be 5, I am cutting you a break, so be thankful.
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Eaglesalltheway, I am not whinging, you are. I won, you lost. How is Newman not a better CB?

And did you not read my post?

Newman doesn't have half the pressure you do, and he is thrown at about 3x less than Lito, so he can't make plays, but Lito can. Newman is a beter playmaker, it is not his fault he doesn't get the chance.

Oh well, everyone says Newman is the best in the East, and he is. So you stop whining.

He went to college at Kansas State, I don't care about high school. And why does that matter in this arguement?...
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I am not saying he is as good as deion, I am just saying his playing styles are just like Deion's. And all 3 of those TDs Newman gave up, the QB had over 5 seconds, which shouldn't happen, because our pressure sucks.

And the eagles are known for there pressure. They have 10x the pressure the cowboys do, and Lito definitly benefits from it.

I just love how eaglesalltheway actually thinks Newman isn't the best CB in the East, lmao.
I know right. How dare he have an opinion.
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Eaglesalltheway, I am not whinging, you are. I won, you lost. How is Newman not a better CB?

And did you not read my post?

Newman doesn't have half the pressure you do, and he is thrown at about 3x less than Lito, so he can't make plays, but Lito can. Newman is a beter playmaker, it is not his fault he doesn't get the chance.

Oh well, everyone says Newman is the best in the East, and he is. So you stop whining.

He went to college at Kansas State, I don't care about high school. And why does that matter in this arguement?...
Ypur winning because you have about 5 times as many Cowboy fans on here than ther are Eagles fans, so if you take that into account, Lito would be pummeling Newman in the votes, which don't matter anyway.
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If Lito was on the Cowboys, we wouldn't even know who he was, lets put it at that. We don't have alot of pressure, so he would get owned. While Newman still shuts his guy down all the time. If Newman were on the eagles, he would shut his guy down, and have double digit picks. That is why he is better.

OMG eaglesalltheway, did you not read what everyone said, half of lito's votes are just votes to piss me off, not real votes. And only 3 cowboys fans voted. So Newman is actually pummeling Lito. Thanks for trying though.
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Apparently you don't read the posts, but now you have 5 minutes to tell us where Newman went to college and High School. He is your favorite player, so you should know all of this stuff.
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He went to college at kansas st., I already told you that. And I don't care where he went to high school.
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i value corners strictly for their coverage abilities after suffering through years of Bly + Fernando Bryant, so i'll go with Newman.
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If Lito was on the Cowboys, we wouldn't even know who he was, lets put it at that. We don't have alot of pressure, so he would get owned. While Newman still shuts his guy down all the time. If Newman were on the eagles, he would shut his guy down, and have double digit picks. That is why he is better.

OMG eaglesalltheway, did you not read what everyone said, half of lito's votes are just votes to piss me off, not real votes. And only 3 cowboys fans voted. So Newman is actually pummeling Lito. Thanks for trying though.
So you're bashing your whole defense just to hype up 1 player? And enough with the ignorant statements, you are making yourself look like the biggest ass right now.
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The epitome of Terrence Newman: In the Carolina game, Delhomme threw a jump ball to Keyshawn Johnson. Instead of turning around, attacking the ball in mid-air, Newman jumps up and blocks Johnson from getting the ball. If he had ball skills and actually tried to make plays, like a Champ Bailey, he would be one of the best corners in the game. Right now he is on the 'very good' plateau. He benefits from teams not attacking him at all. Why should they? Because Anthony Henry, Roy Williams, whomever they've had at FS, are all poor in pass coverage. As anyone who watched them last year, and isn't blinded by homerism, can attest to.
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Isn't he your favorite player? You don't care where he honed his skills to eventually become the best CB in the NFC East, supposedly.
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Dude, are you serious? I don't care where he went to high school.

ANd yes, I am bashing my d-line, not anyone else. Ask any cowboy fan. We couldn't get any pressure at all last year.
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The epitome of Terrence Newman: In the Carolina game, Delhomme threw a jump ball to Keyshawn Johnson. Instead of turning around, attacking the ball in mid-air, Newman jumps up and blocks Johnson from getting the ball. If he had ball skills and actually tried to make plays, like a Champ Bailey, he would be one of the best corners in the game. Right now he is on the 'very good' plateau. He benefits from teams not attacking him at all. Why should they? Because Anthony Henry, Roy Williams, whomever they've had at FS, are all poor.
Are you serious? ball skills are one of his best attributes, but ok.

And henry is a great #2 CB, just to let you know.
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elway777 hopes to escalate quickly but not get out of hand.elway777 hopes to escalate quickly but not get out of hand.
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TNewFan41 smells like sex panther.TNewFan41 smells like sex panther.TNewFan41 smells like sex panther.
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