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Old 10-06-2009, 02:25 AM    (permalink
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and he got cut. Not a big deal. 5th round linemen get cut all the time. .
He didn't get cut. He was claimed off the practice squad by the Bills. Not to mention word it the Packers actually tried to offer him a spot on the 53 after the Bills made a claim for him and he decided to leave anyways.
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Whoever was blocking Jared Allen Monday night was completely flummoxed, the ESPN analysts said he devoured the GB O-linemen.

Subtract the sacks on Rodgers & GB would've won the freaking game. The Packers are bleeding to death through these holes in their o-line.

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Cincy Bengals: Antwan Odom (DE)- 5 Sacks
Homer adulation here for Crimson Tide pass rusher specialist DE Odom, who had the quickest 1st step I had ever seen when he played at Bama. With 5 sacks he was closing in on the single game sack rcd. held by Derek Thomas, KC Chiefs, coincidentally also a Bama player, set vs. Seattle, I think it's 7.5 or 8 sacks the late HoFer Thomas got in that game.

You would've thought they could get a TE or FB help for the hapless OT blocking Odom in that early game, that 5-sack game should have been a wakeup call for the GB staff. Instead of fixing it, it's now at critical mass & a game to game crisis.
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They are terrible but I will not discredit Jared Allen for having a great night.
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seriously for all the people that are saying their line is worse, the packers line is really erally bad right now
I swear, I bet all Texans fans that watched last nights games were having nightmarish flashbacks of David Carr running for his life in his first 3 seasons..LOL Thats how bad the Packers line is right now.

The Packers are such a good team, it's obvious what is losing them games, unless they play inept teams like the Rams the rest of the year or play nervous nelly's like Jay Cutler and his dumbfounded recievers they are looking at a 8-8 record at best.

I guess on the bright side that would give them a shot at the 2 best OT's in the 2010 draft.
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Alot of this is McCartney's fault. Do some max protect. Leave guys in to block.

I understand he likes spreading the field with his WRs, but when you lose both your OTs, you gotta adjust.

I LOVE McCartney's playbook, but he needs to adjust in these situations.

Also, having a RB who isn't doodoo would be nice too.
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I swear, I bet all Texans fans that watched last nights games were having nightmarish flashbacks of David Carr running for his life in his first 3 seasons..LOL Thats how bad the Packers line is right now.

The Packers are such a good team, it's obvious what is losing them games, unless they play inept teams like the Rams the rest of the year or play nervous nelly's like Jay Cutler and his dumbfounded recievers they are looking at a 8-8 record at best.

I guess on the bright side that would give them a shot at the 2 best OT's in the 2010 draft.
The Oline was prolly the biggest reason why the bears were still in the game and why the Bengals won
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Clifton comes back after the bye. Let's not judge it until then. Anytime you lose your LT in the first game and RT for the last 8 years in the offseason, it definitely has an effect.
That's a pretty good point, most of the pressure was coming from that LT area although against the Bengals it looked like the other side to me. Green Bay has always seemed to go the mid round O-lineman route, correct me if i'm wrong, but will probably have to invest an early pick this year.

On another note the 3-4, while good against the run, was not putting any pressure on the QB, Kampman is being wasted and on a related note so is AJ Hawk.

They arent alone in being bad, Seattle's O-line has been abysmal.
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That's a pretty good point, most of the pressure was coming from that LT area although against the Bengals it looked like the other side to me. Green Bay has always seemed to go the mid round O-lineman route, correct me if i'm wrong, but will probably have to invest an early pick this year.

On another note the 3-4, while good against the run, was not putting any pressure on the QB, Kampman is being wasted and on a related note so is AJ Hawk.

They arent alone in being bad, Seattle's O-line has been abysmal.
Our RT situation has been horrible. Allen Barbre shouldn't be on the field.

I agree, I think Kampman should put his hand on the ground more often.
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Alot of this is McCartney's fault. Do some max protect. Leave guys in to block.

I understand he likes spreading the field with his WRs, but when you lose both your OTs, you gotta adjust.

I LOVE McCartney's playbook, but he needs to adjust in these situations.

Also, having a RB who isn't doodoo would be nice too.
You probably haven't watched the Packers much this year. McCarthy has been running a lot of max protect. In fact, he has perhaps ran it too much because a lot of the sacks are coverage sacks.

Plus, the Packers' best blocker at RB (Jackson) has been out and Grant and Wynn don't seem to block very well. Their tight ends are more receiving threats as well.
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You probably haven't watched the Packers much this year. McCarthy has been running a lot of max protect. In fact, he has perhaps ran it too much because a lot of the sacks are coverage sacks.

Plus, the Packers' best blocker at RB (Jackson) has been out and Grant and Wynn don't seem to block very well. Their tight ends are more receiving threats as well.
Ive seen 2 games. Maybe I wasn't paying as much attention to it as I shouldve, but I didn't see much max protect. I could be wrong.
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it's that bad.

probably the worst for a top half team in the nfl.
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Their tight ends are more receiving threats as well.
Donald Lee couldn't even do that last night.
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GB's TE is a bad ass. If they teach him how to block, he could be a beast.

He has all the physical tools, and looks like a real good passing threat.
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GB's TE is a bad ass. If they teach him how to block, he could be a beast.

He has all the physical tools, and looks like a real good passing threat.
i assume you are talking about Finley
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GB's TE is a bad ass. If they teach him how to block, he could be a beast.

He has all the physical tools, and looks like a real good passing threat.
Jermichael Finley. Still a bit 'raw' if you can believe that.
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PFT says that the packers are going to sign Tauscher back soon. He worked out for the Chiefs last week and they passed...so that's how bad their line is.
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yeah, Finley. the name was escaping my mind. the guy is a beast.
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Alot of this is McCartney's fault. Do some max protect. Leave guys in to block.

I understand he likes spreading the field with his WRs, but when you lose both your OTs, you gotta adjust.

I LOVE McCartney's playbook, but he needs to adjust in these situations.

Also, having a RB who isn't doodoo would be nice too.
The thing is his playbook dosen't work with max protect. It just dosen't. We say that in '06.

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Allen Barbre shouldn't be on the field.
Barbre has improved a bit in comparison to week one. He's hasn't been that bad since week 1.
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I'm still a little surprised that Langston Walker isn't on a team. Guy was in camp all year and I wouldn't think of him as a terrible RT option at this point.
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yeah, Finley. the name was escaping my mind. the guy is a beast.
Of course he is, he's from Texas ;)
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Its because of the injuries. They slid the line down and slid all the starters. Colledge and Spitz are playing out of position and look like they're lost. Barbre looks simply terrible.

They'll be getting their LT back and they signed Tauscher back. Once they get everyone back where they should be the line will improve.
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Could've had Michael Oher...
That doesn't really work here. The only reason we were in position was because we traded up specifically for Matthews. Oher was not an option.

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He didn't get cut. He was claimed off the practice squad by the Bills. Not to mention word it the Packers actually tried to offer him a spot on the 53 after the Bills made a claim for him and he decided to leave anyways.
He got cut to get to the practice squad. If we cared about him he would have made the 53 man from the start. He's a developmental project that could eventually be good in a couple years and is nothing special. He is terrrible as he is right now though.

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Alot of this is McCartney's fault. Do some max protect. Leave guys in to block.

I understand he likes spreading the field with his WRs, but when you lose both your OTs, you gotta adjust.

I LOVE McCartney's playbook, but he needs to adjust in these situations.

Also, having a RB who isn't doodoo would be nice too.
Not true. We do leave extra guys in to protect and due to that have had to cut down significantly on our spread packages. We've only used our Big 5 like twice so far and even our 4 WR sets have been limited quite a bit. We aren't able to take full advantage of our great depth at WR because we need to waste guys to help out the line.

The problem is that the ends of both sides of our line suck. We've been giving Barbre a ton of help on the right side. We can't really do the same on the left at the same time though. If we keep a tight end in on each side and a running back to block we're down to only two potential receivers. That's not going to work in the NFL. You can manage with helping out one side, but not both.
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