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Old 10-07-2009, 10:12 PM    (permalink
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It's about how they are right now, not what they've accomplished.
So "right now" meaning 1 game back? 2 games back? 3? 4? The difference between games 1 and 2 for Brees and 3 and 4 are night and day.

Favre has been consistent throughout and his team is also 4-0. But the thread topic is about Favre being overrated? Wow. Just wow.
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Well, like someone said this was taken after week two. Brees was really, really good the first two weeks. If I remember correctly, Favre was good but not great in those first two weeks.
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Well, like someone said this was taken after week two. Brees was really, really good the first two weeks. If I remember correctly, Favre was good but not great in those first two weeks.
Romo on the other hand

1) Tore up a terrible Bucs team and 2) did not do good against the giants (which is okay because the Giants are really good defensive team right?)
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LOL, i find this hilarious. Go check what Owens is doing in Buffalo without a QB. What are his numbers again? A QB always makes a WR a better player than what the WR makes the QB.
Come on man, buffalo has a worse coaching staff than dallas, and I think you guys have a terrible coaching staff, and their offensive line has turned Trent Edwards into captain checkdown.
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Lol at Cowboys fans calling the Saints irrelevant and attacking Brees. The only relevant thing that has been coming out of Dallas this season is whether or not someone will hit the big screen.
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Roy Williams has not been producing as well with Tony Romo as he was with "no quarterback" in Detroit.
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Lol at Cowboys fans calling the Saints irrelevant and attacking Brees. The only relevant thing that has been coming out of Dallas this season is whether or not someone will hit the big screen.

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Favre has been adored by the media mostly for his story and not his play on the field in recent years but he's slowly, but surely regaining that. Sadly, it's the media that seems to overrate Favre by just talking about him. Favre's play has been impressive this year, last year before the injury, and in '07 he took us to the NFCCG. I love how people tend to forget how great of a player he is because of his offseason antics. You can't say someone is overrated just because of how much you see them on tv.
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Favre has been adored by the media mostly for his story and not his play on the field in recent years but he's slowly, but surely regaining that. Sadly, it's the media that seems to overrate Favre by just talking about him. Favre's play has been impressive this year, last year before the injury, and in '07 he took us to the NFCCG. I love how people tend to forget how great of a player he is because of his offseason antics. You can't say someone is overrated just because of how much you see them on tv.
I've argued this point with my packers fans friends time and time again, but I was stunningly unimpressed by Favre with the Jets, he's been really good again this season and had a very good year until the giants made him quit in the NFCCG, but he's no where near an elite QB like he used to be and yet he still gets that type of respect, at least on E!SPN and in the hearts of cheeseheads who aren't too bitter.
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sounds like a lot of people watch ESPN/care what ESPN thinks.
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I don't get how the players can vote Favre most overrated. He's one of the best QB to ever play the game and still plays it at an extremely high level.

How many guys do you think could have made that throw against SF? 2 or 3?
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Why? What has he ever done? 1 playoff win in 7 years as a starter? Only making the playoffs 2 times? At least Romo made it to the playoffs 2/3 times as a starter.

...and people have him as what? A top 3 QB in the league? With some calling him #1? That my friend is what I call overrated.
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Brees is sitting pretty right now... everyone is adoring him for all the things you said. But fact is, none of that matters right now. I want to see him accomplish something significant before I loft him up. Drew Brees is so far behind Brett Favre and the fact that Favre is being called overrated is laughable. That's why I called Brees overrated.

...and don't fool yourself. Even if you beat the Giants in week 6... it means nothing. Romo's Cowboys never lost to the Giants in the regular season until this year. Ya see what I mean?
Oh, so we're going back to his time in San Diego? The time where it took him to develop and before San Diego had a legitimate defense? The last year Brees was in San Diego they had the 13th best offense and 10th best defense. In 2006, the year after Brees, they had the 4th best offense while New Orleans, the team that Brees led, had the 1st best offense (1st in total yards and 1st in passing yards; San Diego was 4th in total yards and 16th in passing yards). In 2007 the Saints were 3rd best in passing yards and the Chargers 26th in passing yards; the Saints were 4th in total offense the San Diego Chargers 20th; and finally in 2008 the Saints were 1st in passing yards and 1st in total offense, the San Diego Chargers were 11th in total offense and 7th in passing yards. Who did New Orleans rely upon to help win games? Drew Brees. Who was their most valuable player those years? Drew Brees.

What do playoff wins have to do with how good a QB is? If I remember correctly Trent Dilfer took the Ravens to the Super Bowl without a loss. Does that make him a better QB than Drew Brees? It comes to how good the overall team is, not how good the QB is. Yes, good QB helps but Dan Marinio was not surrounded by a good defense but does that make him any less of a great QB?

It does matter what the Saints do against the Giants. The Saints are 1-0 against the Giants and 1-0 against the Cowboys since Brees tenure. Does that say much? No, it comes down to how both respective units play, defense and offense. When Gary Gibbs was the Saints defensive coordinator New Orleans was abysmal ranking near the last 3/4 of the league in total defense. Since the addition of Gregg William we have consistently been a top 10 defense. Yet, we still as much of a potent offense as we have had in the past.

So, sure, Brett Favre has been labeled the most overrated player in the NFL and you, in turn, voted Drew Brees as the most overrated player in the NFL. This has nothing to do with how overrated the QB of your favorite team is but if you want to really look at then look at how overrated Terrel Owens is, Braylon Edwards is, or someone else is, but Drew Brees? Get out of here with that nonsense.

And, by the way, the Saints have won more playoff games than the Cowboys have this decade going 2-0, one of which is attributed to Drew Brees.
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Really? The other 3 I can understand, but Eli is finally starting to look like a QB worthy of being the #1 pick that he was back in 2004. He has the 2nd highest TD pass total in the NFL and his team, particularly his offense, looks to be among the league's elite at this point. I'm starting to think reputations in the NFL lag a year or two behind performance.
Yeah kind of shocked in a way to see it, but when I think about it, I can't say I am surprised that he is on the list. The stuff on him is never going to go away.
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Why? What has he ever done? 1 playoff win in 7 years as a starter? Only making the playoffs 2 times? At least Romo made it to the playoffs 2/3 times as a starter.

...and people have him as what? A top 3 QB in the league? With some calling him #1? That my friend is what I call overrated.
You are aware that there are two sides of the ball right D-Unit? IIRC the Saints missing the playoffs was not due to a lack of scoring.
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Drew Brees is in a situation like Peyton Manning as been. A lot of offense and little defense. Yes the Colts defense has gotten better but for a while that defense couldn't help the offense enough to get through the playoffs.
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Drew Brees is in a situation like Peyton Manning as been. A lot of offense and little defense. Yes the Colts defense has gotten better but for a while that defense couldn't help the offense enough to get through the playoffs.
Not this year for Brees. He's got a top 10 unit for now on the other side of the ball. It'll be interesting to see if they can keep that up. I don't think they're pretenders in any way.
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Not this year for Brees. He's got a top 10 unit for now on the other side of the ball. It'll be interesting to see if they can keep that up. I don't think they're pretenders in any way.
Yea we will see. I don't know their schedule but I don't believe they will be a top 10 defense come playoffs.
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Yea we will see. I don't know their schedule but I don't believe they will be a top 10 defense come playoffs.
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vs. New England
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Many people just don't like Favre. That includes NFL players. Results of a poll can't change the fact that he's started a billion games in a row, goes to the playoffs almost every year and, at 40 years old, is near the top of the league in passer rating and TD's.
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HAHAHA. Classic. So it's not really about calling Brees overrated, because he is. It's about a Cowboys fan calling Brees overrated. OK. That makes a huge difference all of a sudden. LOL.

diab man... i like you, but your post made no sense. Stop giving excuses for Brees. I know he's the QB of your favorite team and all, but I'm not buying his excuses. For a QB to be in my top 3, they have to have accomplished something in their career. Brees has yet to do that. You can criticize Romo. I'm fine with that. I'm not the one calling him a top 3 QB.

This is why Brees is overrated by people who call him a Top 3 QB.

1) 1 playoff win in 7 years as a starting QB.

2) His stats are inflated by playing under a pass happy offense.

3) He's had a great supporting cast on offense.

Plug some other QB in the top 5-10 range in that offense and that supporting cast and you'd find a QB with better numbers to what Brees produces. Cutler, Palmer, McNabb, Eli, Rogers... you name it.

Brees is a product of the system boys and girls.

The top 3 QBs are Brady, Peyton and either Eli, Big Ben or Rogers. Brees is no where near the conversation. Old man Favre is better than Brees.
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3) He's had a great supporting cast on offense.
The only real 1st rounders he has on his team are Shockey and Bush
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The only real 1st rounders he has on his team are Shockey and Bush
And D is under-rating just how awful that defense was. And while he does play in a pass happy offense Shaun Payton isn't a good play caller has made a remarkably stupid call in practically every NO game I've seen since he joined the team. Similar to Garrett who I guess "inflates" romo's numbers but is still a crappy play caller who costs his team wins.
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The only real 1st rounders he has on his team are Shockey and Bush
Colston is an elite receiver and Pierre Thomas is one of the best RBs in the league although they obviously weren't round 1 picks. It's always been the defense that's been the weak link not Brees. If he and Eli traded places there would have been no need for the David Tyree to make that catch and he would have a ring. I think winning a ring is one of the most overrated categories in analyzing any player because no matter how great you are you have to have a decent supporting cast. Marino isn't any less of a QB for not winning a ring and most people know that if you put him in a different situation he easily could have won a ring as well.

For one season the only QBs I would take before Brees is Peyton Manning and maybe Tom Brady. Brees is accurate, makes great decisions, and can carry a team on his shoulders. Their defense has really stepped up and with the emergence of Thomas he won't have to shoulder so much of the load this year though.
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