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Old 02-21-2014, 10:14 AM    (permalink
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I think both end up being star players
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There's a good reason he's not employed by an NFL franchise.
He clearly stated the reason was questionable work ethic and not physical talent or potential. It is a legitimate concern. Quite frankly, I would not be drafting any player high with a questionable work ethic.
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Well I can see where he's coming from. Mack isn't just a pass rusher, he's a complete linebacker who can cover, hit, and tackle in addition to blitzing and being a 10+ sack per year guy. Clowney has a lot more risk and baggage. In five years we might look back on those comments and say, "yeah, he was kinda right." We could be more likely to see Mack as a consistent dominant defensive player than Clowney over his career for sure.
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Would it really be an Earth shaking shock if Mack is a better NFL player than Clowney? It's not like all the top defenders in the league were the top rated defenders in their Draft. I have no idea who will be better, but being the top rated defender doesn't guarantee Clowney is a lock to be better than all the other defensive prospects.
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Its not ridiculous, but I'd be shocked if Mack ended up better. I love Mack as a prospect, I just think Clowney is on a different level than just about anyone.
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Well Mack did just have 100 tackles, 19 TFL, 10.5 sacks, five forced fumbles, seven pass breakups, three interceptions and two touchdowns his senior year (and was a four year starter) and Clowney had like 3 sacks total last year. Clowney has ridiculous physical talent and skills, but ya never know.
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Well Mack did just have 100 tackles, 19 TFL, 10.5 sacks, five forced fumbles, seven pass breakups, three interceptions and two touchdowns his senior year (and was a four year starter) and Clowney had like 3 sacks total last year. Clowney has ridiculous physical talent and skills, but ya never know.
Of course someone looks at stats and makes them out to be the end all be all.

Clowney has to be accounted for like no other player in the history of the sport.

Regularly double and triple teamed no matter where he lined up on the field. People that look at the stat line and say Clowney wasn't tremendous this year mean nothing to me.

Watch games, not the stat line or highlights.
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Well Mack did just have 100 tackles, 19 TFL, 10.5 sacks, five forced fumbles, seven pass breakups, three interceptions and two touchdowns his senior year (and was a four year starter) and Clowney had like 3 sacks total last year. Clowney has ridiculous physical talent and skills, but ya never know.
Because comparing statistical output from the SEC and MAC makes sense?
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There is no doubt that the pros don't like prospects who take a season off to protect their health, it puts a red flag next to their name. However, it doesn't necessarily mean they won't play hard as a pro, so I still have confidence in Clowney to become a top NFL DE. However, unless the top 3 QB's aren't as good as advertised and begin to slip on draft boards, Clowney likely goes #5 to Oakland if 3 QB's get drafted early. He could also go #4 if the Rams trade back twice which is quite possible if both the Browns and Atlanta trade up.

That being said, how much do we really know about Mack except his one game against Ohio St. where he looked great. They are calling this draft the best of the last decade and just maybe Mack is one of the reasons why, maybe he is a lot better than we think. I know I'll be watching very closely at the Combine to reach my own conclusion. Mayock has wetted my appetite.

This is why they hold the Combine and Pro days to sort out the truth and I guess Mayock just raised Mack to a prospect worth paying close attention to.
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Seriously though, watching Clowney play this year, I felt like I was watching the defensive end equivalent of DeWayne Robertson. I realize he looked phenomenal the prior two years, but essentially taking off his senior season..... that's a big warning sign to me. There are a lot of players who had all of the physical tools and had good numbers in college, but didn't do anything in the pros and I'd be very concerned Clowney is the next inductee into that coulda-been club.
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Clowney has to be accounted for like no other player in the history of the sport.
How did you determine this? Did you use an accountedforometer? Did Clowney measure higher than Suh, Peppers, Mario Williams or Courtney Brown on the accountedforometer?
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Mike mayock has always been a guy that loves effort and high motor guys over supreme talent with questionable motivation.

He loves "football players" as he puts it.

In this comparison though i would not be surprised at all if mack ends up the better player.
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I have to say I would be surprised if Mack turns out to be better than Clowney, but I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
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This isnt surprising Mayock has always been a play on the field guy rather than a measurables guy
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To me it's:

Do you want Julius Peppers or Von Miller? Most would say Miller. The thing that kept Peppers from being the better player(assuming Miller keeps playing like he did when healthy) is his work ethic. Same issues/concerns with Clowney.
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Of course someone looks at stats and makes them out to be the end all be all.

Clowney has to be accounted for like no other player in the history of the sport.

Regularly double and triple teamed no matter where he lined up on the field. People that look at the stat line and say Clowney wasn't tremendous this year mean nothing to me.

Watch games, not the stat line or highlights.
It's not just about stats. Clowney was pretty quiet most games, even though he did make a big impact in several games where he didn't accumulate big numbers. Watching Mack, especially seeing him dominate like he did against Ohio State, was very impressive. He's a football player and a great athlete and gives great effort.

Point wasn't that Mack is better b/c of stats, it's that he produced consistently and Clowney pretty much took most of the year off. Watch the tape, hehe. It's obvious how many more plays he took off in 2013 compared to any other year before.
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Of course someone looks at stats and makes them out to be the end all be all.

Clowney has to be accounted for like no other player in the history of the sport.

Regularly double and triple teamed no matter where he lined up on the field. People that look at the stat line and say Clowney wasn't tremendous this year mean nothing to me.

Watch games, not the stat line or highlights.
Stats are never the end all, agreed.

Clowney accounted for historically like no other is a joke. Derrick Thomas was the same way, but still managed something like 26 sacks (note Clowney's goal at the beginning of the season), watch the tape. The other comparisons noted by Hasley hold true, watch the tape. I wont even start pulling out the B. Smiths, L. Taylors, and R. Whites of the world. "Like no other in the history of the sport." Please.

Both were regularly double teamed, its not like teams did not know who was Mack entering the season, or teams in the MAC dont know how to adjust pass protection, or double team people. I watched the games. Clowney's athleticism and potential are unreal, and rare, but there are issue's with him for sure, when Spurrier regularly calls you out through the media there is an issue, he watches the tape, and the game in person.

Singling either one is asking for trouble, its on the tape.

Who would you bet is going to work harder to achieve their potential? I'd bet my money on Mack, despite not being the freak athletically that Clowney is. Ability like stats is not the end all. History shows anyone watching that.
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Stats are never the end all, agreed.

Clowney accounted for historically like no other is a joke. Derrick Thomas was the same way, but still managed something like 26 sacks (note Clowney's goal at the beginning of the season), watch the tape. The other comparisons noted by Hasley hold true, watch the tape. I wont even start pulling out the B. Smiths, L. Taylors, and R. Whites of the world. "Like no other in the history of the sport." Please.
You realize that sacks were counted differently when Thomas played right?
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You realize that sacks were counted differently when Thomas played right?

It doesn't change his point. People accounted for Thomas.
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Clowney has to be accounted for like no other player in the history of the sport.
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Clowney has to be accounted for like no other player in the history of the sport.
Worst overuse of hyperbole in the history of the universe right here.
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Even if Mack is better than Clowney, doesn't mean it would be right to take him over Clowney.
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