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Old 04-05-2015, 02:23 PM    (permalink
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Default Top 5 Positional Rankings (Offense)

Quarterback
1. Jameis Winston : Florida State
2. Marcus Mariota : Oregon
3. Garrett Grayson : Colorado State
4. Bryce Petty : Baylor
5. Brett Hundley : UCLA

Running Back
1. Melvin Gordon : Wisconsin
2. Todd Gurley : Georgia
3. Tevin Coleman : Indiana
4. Duke Johnson : Miami(FL)
5. Ameer Abdullah : Nebraska

Wide Receiver
1. Kevin White : West Virginia
2. DaVante Parker : Louisville
3. Dorial Green-Beckham : Oklahoma
4. Amari Cooper : Alabama
5. Jaelen Strong : Arizona State
6. Devin Smith : Ohio State
7. Breshad Perriman : Central Florida
8. Phillip Dorsett : Miami(FL)
9. Tre McBride : William & Mary
10. Nelson Agholor : USC

Tight End
1. Maxx Williams : Minnesota
2. Clive Warford : Miami(FL)
3. Devin Funchess : Michigan
4. Tyler Kroft : Rutgers
5. Jesse James : Penn State

Offensive Tackle
1. La’el Collins : Louisiana State
2. Ereck Flowers : Miami(FL)
3. Jake Fisher : Oregon
4. Cedric Ogbuehi : Texas A&M
5. TJ Clemmings : Pittsburgh

Interior Offensive Linemen
1. Brandon Scherff : Iowa
2. Cameron Erving : Florida State
3. AJ Cann : South Carolina
4. Laken Tomlinson : Duke
5. Ali Marpet : Hobart
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Good stuff. Still like Amari Cooper among the wideouts.
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Will someone explain to me why Sean Mannion seems to be bringing up the rear in most QB positional rankings???

Did people not watch the Pac12 in 2013???
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Will someone explain to me why Sean Mannion seems to be bringing up the rear in most QB positional rankings???

Did people not watch the Pac12 in 2013???
2013, when Cooks made Mannion look better than he really is? He's a statue with a mediocre arm and doesn't deal with pressure well. I think he could have success as a backup in a quick, timing offense but he's not a potential starter.
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Will someone explain to me why Sean Mannion seems to be bringing up the rear in most QB positional rankings???

Did people not watch the Pac12 in 2013???
Sorry, but Sean Mannion sucks.

As for the rankings, looks good. There are a few things I disagree with here and there, but for the most part, awesome work.

2 biggest things I disagree with are...

1. Ereck Flowers as the 2nd best Tackle in this draft. To me he has a ton to work on before even becoming a capable starter at the NFL level. His hands are terrible.

2. Amari Cooper so low.
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2013, when Cooks made Mannion look better than he really is? He's a statue with a mediocre arm and doesn't deal with pressure well. I think he could have success as a backup in a quick, timing offense but he's not a potential starter.
Yes an elite WR helps, but he didn't make Mannion. It's not like Cooks had over 4k receiving yards in 2013.

And that doesn't explain why any of the other QBs not named Winston or MM are ranked ahead of him.

Heard the same crap about Nick Foles too.

Mannion didn't have a down season in 2014 because he 'sucks'.
Personal injuries, a busted oline and lack of playmakers are why is production dropped.

If he's not at least the 4th QB drafted it will shock me.
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Yes an elite WR helps, but he didn't make Mannion. It's not like Cooks had over 4k receiving yards in 2013.

And that doesn't explain why any of the other QBs not named Winston or MM are ranked ahead of him.

Heard the same crap about Nick Foles too.

Mannion didn't have a down season in 2014 because he 'sucks'.
Personal injuries, a busted oline and lack of playmakers are why is production dropped.

If he's not at least the 4th QB drafted it will shock me.
Who do you have him ranked over?
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Everything looks pretty well right on, but I see no way the top route running receiver in the draft can be #4 after running a very solid 40, especially with a fine set of hands. You'll have to explain that one to me.
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Who do you have him ranked over?

My rankings are off because I'm higher on him than most, but IMO Mannion is the most pro ready QB in this class after Winston and should be no lower than the 3rd or 4th ranked QB in this class.

Hundley, MM and Petty have a long way to go before they're competent to play in a dropback passing, progression read offense.

Mannion isn't an elite prospect, but other than Winston, none of these guys are.


Mannion is a Glennon/Schaub/Foles type prospect IMO. Big buy with a strong arm who's played under center since HS.

No way am I judging him strictly off his 2014 season.
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Mannion is very mediocre. I didn't even have a draftable grade on him until the combine and his pro day stuff came out. Now, I have him as a 6th rounder, maybe take him in the 5th because QBs always go about a round before they should.
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Amari is a very good prospect but I prefer White, Parker, and Green-Beckham because of their ability to utilize their size, be an asset in the red zone, and they still bring tremendous athletic gifts to the table. Cooper doesn't attack the ball and high point it on a consistent basis and I feel that's going to hurt his effectiveness a bit, especially in tight quarters.
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Amari is a very good prospect but I prefer White, Parker, and Green-Beckham because of their ability to utilize their size, be an asset in the red zone, and they still bring tremendous athletic gifts to the table. Cooper doesn't attack the ball and high point it on a consistent basis and I feel that's going to hurt his effectiveness a bit, especially in tight quarters.
Antonio brown and beckham aren't lacking in the redzone

Coopers best attribute is the separation he creates to make tight quarters not so tight
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princefielder28 Amari is a very good prospect but I prefer White, Parker, and Green-Beckham because of their ability to utilize their size, be an asset in the red zone, and they still bring tremendous athletic gifts to the table. Cooper doesn't attack the ball and high point it on a consistent basis and I feel that's going to hurt his effectiveness a bit, especially in tight quarters.
Amari is far better route runner than all of those guys mentioned, he will do just fine. Sure might not be a jump ball threat in the end zone but not all good receivers are a high point guy.

As for DGB, I still have major doubts about his character and background and I think he should not even be considered in the 1st or 2nd round because of that.
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Amari Cooper is the best WR in this draft... not sure why he's at four. His ability to separate is the best I've seen in the last 5-6 draft classes.
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This is such an insane year for wide receivers. The top 7 prospects here are players who I would not be at all surprised to see selected in the first round.
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Caulibflower This is such an insane year for wide receivers. The top 7 prospects here are players who I would not be at all surprised to see selected in the first round.
I would be shocked if that happened

Cooper
Parker
White
Agholor
Coats
Dorsett
Strong or...Lockett, Diggs etc.

I could maybe see four, max five but do not see 7 receivers taken in the first round. It is a good group but not like an all time group of pass catchers.

In this draft it would be smarter for teams to get to top DL and OL prospects before they are gone I think.
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I think there's a difference between saying that 7 WR's will be drafted in the first round and there are 7 WR's I wouldn't be surprised to see drafted in the first round.

And I think Caulibflower's point is pretty fair. You could probably stretch it a bit beyond 7.

I think we could have a pretty interesting first round in store this year. Not a lot of clarity at the top. Should be fun.
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It seems like the WR rankings after the top 2 are so fluid. For example, I would have Perriman as my #3 easily. I think I'd even have him in my top 10 overall.
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