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Old 10-12-2009, 05:25 PM    (permalink
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Default underrated traits that most elite rb's possess

High character and intelligence

Everyone knows you want a QB to possess those traits, but most discussions about RB's center around who's the fastest, most powerful, best pass catcher, etc. How many elite RB's are getting in trouble off the field? I don't remember many cases of guys like Jim Brown, Walter Payton, Barry Sanders, Emmitt Smith, LT, AP, etc getting into trouble off the field or showing poor work ethic. Those facets should be more discussed when debating RB's entering the Draft. The End.
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Every Position benefits from that. every position does...
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I don't see what you're trying to say. Every elite player should and does posses these attributes.

Are you saying we should ignore speed in favor of a high character guy that lacks physically in comparison?
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I look to those attributes... but after vision, explosion and power.
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Ability to stay healthy... Unlike Felix Jones.
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Yes, staying healthy, and stamina are big.
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The underrated trait that I like is being able to catch passes. Ray Rice has more yards total than Adrian Peterson.
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High character and intelligence

Everyone knows you want a QB to possess those traits, but most discussions about RB's center around who's the fastest, most powerful, best pass catcher, etc. How many elite RB's are getting in trouble off the field? I don't remember many cases of guys like Jim Brown, Walter Payton, Barry Sanders, Emmitt Smith, LT, AP, etc getting into trouble off the field or showing poor work ethic. Those facets should be more discussed when debating RB's entering the Draft. The End.
Please don't mention Emmitt Smith when talking about above average intelligence.
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Ya know wahts funny, players now play longer and longer and into older age than they have before.

Yet, Rbs have gotten their lifespan shortened. This league might be turning into a pass happy league, but who says the rbs aren't being run into the ground. They have to take more shots blocking, get hit in the open field, go out for more passes, and still run the rock. Even if they are splitting the carries, they touch the ball a lot in one form or another.

Before Qbs played till 30-32 pushing it playing at 33.

Now 32-35 Qbs still can play, and pushing it at 37-40.

WR same boat 30-32, now play till 35 or if your knees give out.

Rbs on the other hand played till 31-33, and were still very capable as Rbs when they got over 30. Now 29-31, and usually dread the age 30, and we rarely see Rbs play till 32.

Just something I been wondering, I'm put some time and find some numbers.
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Ahmad Bradshaw had some off the field issues in college. Reese looked past that and we were lucky to land him in the 7th round.
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I don't understand why you're talking specifically about running backs. And plenty of good running backs have had off the field issues, an obvious one is OJ.
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not when he was a player.
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not when he was a player.

Fine, Marshawn Lynch or Cedric Benson.
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People never tend to talk about vision as much as they should IMHO.
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Clean teeth. I think RBs should have nice clean teeth.

Sorry, this thread doesnt make much sense to me.
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People never tend to talk about vision as much as they should IMHO.
This is a huge one. The difference between a serviceable RB and a dominant running back is their ability to see openings or running lanes that turn stuffed runs into decent gains.
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Vision is the most underrated trait. You need vision to set your timing to allow the blocking to develop & follow them, to find the cutback lane once the hole cleared, to perform about 90% of the plays really. Everyone criticizes Jacobs' weird Eric Dickersonlike upright running style, but at 6-3 or so he can best utilize his vision before his other attributes like power come into play.

And just when we thought the Every-Down Back who can consistently move the chains on 3rd & 3 or 4 was extinct in the NFL, here comes Cedric Benson .... who'da thunk it?

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As a former RB, vision is by far the most overrated attribute in football. I don't know, maybe I just had extraordinary vision, but finding a gap never presented the slightest bit of challenge. It's just plain as day, guard's back is turned this way, seam opened up, hit it, etc.

Also, alot of RBs with "great vision" also have dominant offensive lines who have holes every where. Players who don't get accredited with "great vision" are usually on teams with lesser offensive lines.
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The most underrated trait for a runningback is blance.
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As a former RB, vision is by far the most overrated attribute in football. I don't know, maybe I just had extraordinary vision, but finding a gap never presented the slightest bit of challenge. It's just plain as day, guard's back is turned this way, seam opened up, hit it, etc.

Also, alot of RBs with "great vision" also have dominant offensive lines who have holes every where. Players who don't get accredited with "great vision" are usually on teams with lesser offensive lines.
I don't know what level of football you played RB at, but this is really only true for the high school level. In high school, plays hit exactly where they are designed to hit. Once you get into college, and especially in the NFL, running plays very rarely hit where they are supposed to. Defenses are too good and too fast and make their reads to quickly. That's why NFL runners often see big chunks of their yardage come from cutting back against the grain, often before they even get to the LOS.
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vision, pass protection, and shifty but strong hips.
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uh definitely this too. rb's who are good in pass protection are a VERY good thing, because one, it shows capability for higher learning, to block on an NFL level requires practice, disregarding a lot of things you did in college, and having an open mind to learning new things...

besides, it opens up opportunity for you. especially if you have good hands.
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uh definitely this too. rb's who are good in pass protection are a VERY good thing, because one, it shows capability for higher learning, to block on an NFL level requires practice, disregarding a lot of things you did in college, and having an open mind to learning new things...

besides, it opens up opportunity for you. especially if you have good hands.
with the way teams throw today, i think its become a must. his ability as a pass protector is actually more important than his ability to catch. although they go hand in hand most of the time.

if your primary back can't pass protect and you have to sub him out for another rb on pass plays, it really tips your hand and makes it that much harder to confuse defenders.
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