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Old 10-12-2009, 10:31 PM    (permalink
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I've wanted to ask this question for a long time. Usually I just try to read your guy's posts to see what I can glean from them but I thought maybe I should ask you guys directly. What team has the best young talent in the NFL? What team has drafted well in recent years. Is there any team that you guys think is flying below the radar right but but has the base of talent that will propel them forward in the years to come?
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My choices would be:

Green Bay Packers - As a Vikings fan, I hate saying this, but I think they are a couple offensive lineman and maybe a defensive stud away from serious super bowl contention. I'm not the biggest Ryan Grant fan, but Green Bay has always been a believer in building through the draft and I think in a couple of years, they could be a SB participant.

Cincinnati Bengals - I'm not sold on the defensive line nor the safeties of the team, but they are building a solid offense and a solid LB crew to play for years to come. Whether or not Esteban is going to be there for 4-5 more years is another question, but if they can pick up a consistent force at DE and possibly a change of pace back to go along with Benson, then they are set for years.

Other teams:

Giants - The team knows how to draft and already have a future in the mold with players like Tuck, Hicks, Steve Smith, Webster and hopefully Kenny Phillips. The Giants are going to be good for a long, long time.

Broncos - Aside from the future dilemma that is Kyle Orton, they seem to be heading in the right direction on all cylinders.
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Well, the Jaguars are off to a good start. Five of their 2009 draftees look like long-term fixtures.

That said, it will take a couple drafts of the same calibur for them to deserve a "good young talent" label. Heck, it's fairly likely that by day one of next year, not a single player will remain from our 2008 draft.
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What do you consider young? I only looked at guys from the Ravens who are 27 and under, and who start or contribute frequently. While the Ravens have players getting up there in age (Mason, Birk, Ray, Reed, Gregg, Pryce), they still have a nice core of young players, especially on offense. We really need to add some youth to the D-line.

Offense
QB Joe Flacco-24
T Jared Gaither- 23
G Ben Grubbs- 25
C/G Chris Chester- 26
T Michael Oher-23
G/T Marshal Yanda -25
FB Le'Ron McClain-24
RB Ray Rice-22
WR Mark Clayton -27

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DL Haloti Ngata-25
OLB/DE Terrell Suggs-27
LB Tavares Gooden-25
CB Domonique Foxworth-26
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Everybody is going to naturally say their team is. So I'm gonna go with the Eagles.

You might say McNabb is old, but Kolb showed some flashes his two starts both passing for 300+.
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What's the criteria for being "young"?
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The Jets come to mind straight away. Sanchez, Greene, Washington, Cotchery, Edwards, Keller, Ferguson, Mangold on offense and Revis, Rhodes, Leonhard Gholston and Harris on Defense. All about 27 and under. Not half bad.
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Well I'll post the Falcons since everyone seems to be using their own teams, Atlanta does have a ton of legit young talent though. I'll go with players age 27 and under.

Offense
QB Matt Ryan - 24
RB Michael Turner - 27
RB Jerious Norwood - 26
WR Roddy White - 27
WR Michael Jenkins - 27
LT Sam Baker - 24
LG Justin Blalock - 25

Defense
DT Peria Jerry - 25
DE Kroy Biermann - 24
MLB Curtis Lofton - 23
CB Chris Houston - 25
S Thomas DeCoud - 24

Also watch out for William Moore and Harry Douglas. Douglas was a big contributer for the offense last season but ended up on the IR before our first pre-season game. Moore has been battling injuries since training camp but once healthy don't be surprised to see him on the field as he is a physical specimen.

Other young teams I like are the Baltimore Ravens and the 49ers.
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If 27 the cut off for this exercise, I think it would be hard to go past the Giants

without going too far into their depth chart, (using guys who have either been NFL starters or have the ability to contibute in the near future)

RB
Ahmad Bradshaw, 23
Brandon Jacobs, 27
Danny Ware, 24

OG
Chris Snee, 27

OT
William Beatty, 24
Guy Whimper. 26

TE
Kevin Boss 26
Travis Beckum, 22

WR
Ramsees Barden, 23
Derek Hagen, 25
Domenik Hixon, 25
Mario Manningham, 23
Sinorice Moss, 25
Hakeem Nicks, 21
Steve Smith, 24

DE
Matthias Kiwanuka, 26
Justin Tuck, 26
Osi Umenyiora, 27

DT
Jay Alford, 26
Chris Canty, 26
Barry Cofield, 25

LB
Chase Blackburn, 26
Michael Boley, 27
Jonathan Goff, 23
Brian Kehl, 25
Clint Sintim, 23
Gerris Wilkinson, 26

CB
Kevin Dockery, 25
Aaron Ross, 27
Terrell Thomas, 24
Corey Webster, 27

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Michael Johnson, 25
Kenny Phillips, 22
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Tried to list every rotation guy and key backup 28 or under.

QB Eli 28
RB Jacobs 27, Ahmad 23, Danny Ware 24 (Between him and 22 year old Andre Brown we've got good depth at RB)
WR Steve Smith 24, Mario Manningham 23, Hakeem Nicks 21, Ramses Barden 23 (I guess he doesn't count yet but I loved him as a prospect and think he's a stud in the making)
TE Kevin Boss 25, Travis Beckum 22
OT William Beatty 24, Guy Whimper 26
OG Chris Snee 27

DE Justin Tuck 26, Osi Umenyiora 27, Matthias Kiwanuka 26
DT Chris Canty 26, Barry Cofield 25, Jay Alford 26
LB Michael Boley 27, Clint Sintim 23, Jonathon Goff 23, Bryan Kehl 25
CB Corey Webster 27, Terrell Thomas 24, Aaron Ross 27, Kevin Dockery 25
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The Jets come to mind straight away. Sanchez, Greene, Washington, Cotchery, Edwards, Keller, Ferguson, Mangold on offense and Revis, Rhodes, Leonhard Gholston and Harris on Defense. All about 27 and under. Not half bad.
Definitely.

QB- Sanchez
RB- Washington, Greene
WR- Cotchery, Edwards
TE- Keller
OL- Mangold, Ferguson

LB- Harris, Scott, Gholston*
CB- Revis,
S- Rhodes, Leonhard

All these guys SHOULD be starters for many years to come, and at an All Pro level too, in my opinion. Gholston gets a star, because he is not and probably won't be the Pro Bowler we thought we were going to get. Good role player though.
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Cincinnati Bengals - I'm not sold on the defensive line nor the safeties of the team, but they are building a solid offense and a solid LB crew to play for years to come. Whether or not Esteban is going to be there for 4-5 more years is another question, but if they can pick up a consistent force at DE and possibly a change of pace back to go along with Benson, then they are set for years.
It's possible Antwan Odom could be a consistent force at DE for us. Even if you take out the Green Bay game (because they didn't have their best personnel on the offensive line). He would only have 3 sacks right now, but he gets pressure a lot and helps the defense get sacks by taking double teams.

As far as change of pace back, it's possible Bernard Scott becomes that guy. He's been limited thus far in the year, but seems to do well when he does get the ball. Also, Leonard has been amazing for us so far, both running and catching; it seems like every single yard is so important to him when you see him jumping over guys, diving and sometimes plowing through people.

We'll see though, we're pretty old at RG, TE (well.. Reggie Kelley is old), FB, MLB & SS.
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What do you consider young? I only looked at guys from the Ravens who are 27 and under, and who start or contribute frequently. While the Ravens have players getting up there in age (Mason, Birk, Ray, Reed, Gregg, Pryce), they still have a nice core of young players, especially on offense. We really need to add some youth to the D-line.

Offense
QB Joe Flacco-24
T Jared Gaither- 23
G Ben Grubbs- 25
C/G Chris Chester- 26
T Michael Oher-23
G/T Marshal Yanda -25
FB Le'Ron McClain-24
RB Ray Rice-22
WR Mark Clayton -27

Defense
DL Haloti Ngata-25
OLB/DE Terrell Suggs-27
LB Tavares Gooden-25
CB Domonique Foxworth-26
CB Fabian Washington-26
S Dawan Landry-26
Raven's Oline is so ******* nasty. Is Gooden the guy being groomed to take over the MLB spot when Ray is gone?
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Every year it seems that scouts from almost every other team are present in bunches during the Ravens final preseason games. I think this speaks volumes for how young, deep and talented that roster truly is. They would be my pick.
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Broncos have a ton of key pieces together on offense working for them if they lock em all up. Defense, its a little bit more iffy though.
QB - Kyle Orton
RB - Knowshon Moreno
FB - Peyton Hillis
WR - Brandon Marshall, Eddie Royal, Gaffney, McKinley
TE - Scheffler
OT - Clady and Harris
OG - Kuper and Olsen
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This is turning into a homer fest. No surprise there.
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I hate seeing everyone post their teams young guys. Who cares if they're young, what we do care about is if they're young AND good. With that said, the Ravens and Jets seem to be far and away the most young and talented teams out there.
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Offense
QB Joe Flacco-24
T Jared Gaither- 23
G Ben Grubbs- 25
C/G Chris Chester- 26
T Michael Oher-23
G/T Marshal Yanda -25
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RB Ray Rice-22
WR Mark Clayton -27

Defense
DL Haloti Ngata-25
OLB/DE Terrell Suggs-27
LB Tavares Gooden-25
CB Domonique Foxworth-26
CB Fabian Washington-26
S Dawan Landry-26
Dang, Suggs is only 27. It just feels like he's been around forever.
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I hate seeing everyone post their teams young guys. Who cares if they're young, what we do care about is if they're young AND good. With that said, the Ravens and Jets seem to be far and away the most young and talented teams out there.
Yeah exactly, i could've come in here going on about the Colts having a young, talented roster just because they are the second youngest team in the league (i think...GB no. 1?). But realistically, although i like the look of the Colts roster for the next few years a hell of a lot, there are teams going around that are far younger in the most important positions.

You can have all the young linebackers, safeties and guards you want but what a team really needs to be looking good into the future is youth and talent at the blue chip positions - quarterback, tackle, pass rusher (be it either stand up or hand in the ground variety) and cornerback.
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Giants, Ravens, Falcons, Green bay, Carolina (I'm not a homer, average age is one of the youngest in the NFL) Jets, Cincinnati and to an extent and wholly depending on how certain guys develop Tampa.

If New Orleans, Pittsburgh and Tennessee continue to draft well in the coming years, they'll get more youthful and be right amongst it.
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Just listing guys under 30 who get significant playing time(or would if they weren't injured)

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Beanie Wells RB 21
Cody Brown OLB 21
Calais Campbell DE 23
Tim Hightower RB 23
Rashad Johnson S 23
Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie CB 23
Alan Branch DE 24
Levi Brown LT 25
Lyle Sendlein C 25
Steve Breaston WR 26
Larry Fitzgerald WR 26
Matt Leinart QB 26
Deuce Lutui RG 26
Antrel Rolle FS 26
Gabe Watson NT 26
Karlos Dansby LB 27
Bryant McFadden CB 27
Stephen Spach TE 27
Darnell Dockett DT 28
Jerheme Urban WR 28
Reggie Wells LG 28
Anquan Boldin WR 29
Gerald Hayes LB 29


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26 years old and under is what I would consider young.
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