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Old 10-26-2009, 01:17 PM    (permalink
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The Larry Johnson vs. Todd Haley thread got me thinking. People were talking about what player and staff changes it would take to make the Chiefs a contender. I think this is a great topic considering how many bad teams there are right now. Parity is kind of dead this year.

So, what will it take to fix or rebuild the following teams:

KC Chiefs
Cleveland Browns
St. Louis Rams
Tennessee Titans
Tampa Bay Bucs
Buffalo Bills
Washington Redskins
Oakland Raiders
Detroit Lions
Carolina Panthers
Seattle Seahawks

Add other teams if you like, those just seem like the worst with no clear direction or roadmap.

Let's get specific, with coaching and front office changes, scheme changes, cuts, additions, draft picks, etc. With some of these teams I have no idea what strengths (if any) there are to build around. It would be neat to have the answers to questions like that in one thread rather than having to research all over the web.
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The Chiefs just need some OL help, a WR, TE, and time. The biggest thing for them, right now, is getting rid of the old team leaders that won't buy into what Haley and Pioli are doing (Waters, LJ, DJ).

St. Louis needs a QB, a couple improvements for receiving options, and defensive depth. The biggest thing with the Rams is just time. From all indicators and from what's come out of St. Louis, things are developing well, but they just need more time to pull together.

Cleveland...they need OL help on the right side, an efficient veteran QB, and receiving options. On defense, they need to improve their pass rush, though sacks is the least concern for Mangini (or any Belichick disciple).

Tennessee is probably due for a regime change. Fisher's obviously tired of being there, and the owner is a loon. They could probably use a new QB. Add defensive depth all-around, and they'll be fine.

Tampa's just a mess. They had probably the most dissappointing off-season of any team. That's a super-young team that just needs to continue to develop and add talent (and not totally screw up when they have a ridiculous amount of cap room and great draft position).

The Bills need to get their OL revamped and probably clean house on offense, all-around. Bring in an offensive coach like Jeremy Bates.

The Redskins are lost. Their OL is trash, and they never use the draft well. They'll never be fixed because Snyder is horrible.

Raiders have a ton of talent. Again, the owner is the only thing holding this team back. They need to get rid of Jamarcus Russell...replace him with anyone.

The Lions are on the right track. They need help at CB, DL, and an LT, but there's not too much more they need to do.

Panthers just need to ditch Delhomme...maybe try to upgrade their old receiving corps a bit.

Seahawks just need a QB that can stay healthy and some young OL.
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Tampa might be the most screwed up, but to me they have the most obvious fix. They have Josh Freeman hanging around. Draft BPA on defense and O-line and then pray you have something legit with this guy. If they can get him started they'll be a helluva lot further along than some of the other teams on this list.

Yes it pains me to type this, sorry JJ.
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The Larry Johnson vs. Todd Haley thread got me thinking. People were talking about what player and staff changes it would take to make the Chiefs a contender. I think this is a great topic considering how many bad teams there are right now. Parity is kind of dead this year.

So, what will it take to fix or rebuild the following teams:

KC Chiefs
Cleveland Browns
St. Louis Rams
Tennessee Titans
Tampa Bay Bucs
Buffalo Bills
Washington Redskins
Oakland Raiders
Detroit Lions
Carolina Panthers
Seattle Seahawks

Add other teams if you like, those just seem like the worst with no clear direction or roadmap.

Let's get specific, with coaching and front office changes, scheme changes, cuts, additions, draft picks, etc. With some of these teams I have no idea what strengths (if any) there are to build around. It would be neat to have the answers to questions like that in one thread rather than having to research all over the web.
Good idea for a thread. I like it, let's try and go beyond just your own team. That will keep it interesting and the perspectives fresh. No one wants to hear me complain about Brent Grimes.

Kansas City

If they got a LT, someone who could come in and play (well) right away, they could move Albert inside to Guard and fix 2/5 of the O-Line with one acquisition. That and adding a young RB in the draft and the offense would be fine.

On defense the only real weakness (they could use another pass rusher, a 3-4 NT, etc.) is the safeties, the Chiefs may have the worst pair in the league with John McGraw and Mike Brown, both of whom are getting a Christmas card from Miles Austin for winning him the starting job.

Oakland

Where to start? I like the 3-RB they have and Chaz Schilens and Zach Miller. They just need to get a QB who can complete passes and not make horrendous mistakes. If they could get anything from the QB position it would take pressure off that defense and make it a lot better.

Detroit

I don't know why but the Lions continue to act as if the O-Line doesn't matter. Why they passed on Michael Oher for a TE is beyond me. Until they get a great O-Line it doesn't matter how many "stud" QB, RB and WR prospects they accumulate, it won't work.

Tampa Bay

It seems to me that Jon Gruden always leaves a team with the cubbard bare. He acquires all of these old, aging players that he can win with for a few years and then the whole thing falls apart. Look at Oakland in 2003-now and the Bucs are in the same place. They can get back in it with a few good drafts, but right now they need a lot of work everywhere. I do like Josh Freeman though.

Carolina

We all know what the Panthers need, they have had the same problems for the past three years. They have no #2 WR (34+ year old Keyshawn Johnson and Muhsin Muhammad?) and a mediocre at best and now terrible QB. Yet, for whatever reason things haven't changed a lot since the 2003 Super Bowl. I think its time to get rid of Fox and get a fresh start. They have a lot of talent though, Davis and Beason are tremendous LB, Peppers can still dominate a game, Williams and Stewart are awesome RB and Steve Smith is still Steve Smith.
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Tampa Bay we need DT,DE,CB,WR,OLB help.

First we need to let Jim Bates go, thats a must. Who knows if Morris ends up staying or going, think that one comes down to one or less wins and if John Gurden gets a job so they won't be paying two coaches. Lets just say he stays. Will be looking for new OC and DC. Would want the new OC to bring a power running game. Hate this zone blocking stuff. New DC still want a 4/3 but with more of a one gap system... Bates has us two gaping right now and its just not working.

Draft- We need so much help on the D line it's nuts! By far the worst D line in the NFL. Should go Suh or McCoy with the top 3 pick, then DE or DT again with the top 3 second round pick. Maybe get a WR with the pick that we got from Chicago.

We need to spend some of our cap space. First on our good players that play for us. Our LT Penn, MLB Ruud. Then we need to get some Vets in here that know how to win. When your team becomes to young ( like right now ) they don't know how to be Pro's... it's just a lot of rich young guys, and that never turns out well.

We just need a clear plan and follow it to a T. Don't know if Morris is right now and if he is I don't see it.
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KC Chiefs
Cleveland Browns
Isn't it obvious trade for more Jets players.

St. Louis Rams
St. Louis needs time more than anything else. They did the same thing that many successful franchises do they keep their old talent too long for nostalgia. They need to rebuild the offense from scratch. Get rid of Stephen Jackson for some extra picks. NE has a crap ton of 2nd rounders. This draft promises to be a Junior heavy draft so it should be a damn deep one.

Tennessee Titans
Ok so here would be my plan for the Titans.
1. Bench Collins and see what if anything you have with Vince Young.
2. When you find the answer is nothing find a QB of the future although I'm not a huge fan of this year's QB class which means they will have to trade for one ideally I would look at one of Philly's two QBs if the Eagles are impressed with Kolb take McNabb for a 2nd rnd pick as a stop gap if they love McNabb trade two seconds for Kolb (Kolb's age makes him worth more).
3. Concentrate this draft on Corners and DEs. The Titans are dead last in pass D in spite of outsacking their opponents 11 to 6. This should also help in the TO ratio which they stand at a staggering -10.

Tampa Bay Bucs
Buffalo Bills
Washington Redskins
Oakland Raiders
Relieve Al Davis of GM duties.


Detroit Lions
Stay the course it took 8 years to turn the Lions from a 10 win team to a 0 win team and it is harder to go up than it is to go down. But assuming Staff stays healthy with his knee this is what they need to do.

1. Find a real LT Backus isn't doing it. This draft is deep in DT so we should take LT with the first pick.

Carolina Panthers
Seattle Seahawks


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I finally think the Lions are on the right track. Mayhew has been making good decisions ever since Matt Millen was fired. First he robbed Jerry Jones by getting a 1st, 3rd, and 6th for Roy Williams. Then had a productive draft grabbing what looks like four future starters.

The offensive and defensive lines are still a mess, so that's where I'd go from here. Aside from Dominic Raiola and Gosder Cherilus, our offensive line is good awful. As far as the defensive line goes, no one has shown more than occasional flashes. The linebackers are much improved, but the secondary is still very weak outside of Louis Delmas.

Overall, I think the Lions are finally on the right track. They just need to get more talent.
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exchange the pettigrew pick for a pick of oher and the lions would already be just 2-3 years away of a decent/good team imo.
Most other teams just need to realise that they are pretty bad right now and need to rebuild.
carolina just needs a qb (any qb really)
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Damn that's depressing. Same for the Raiders and Uncle Al I guess.
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good thread idea.

1-If I'm running the Tampa Bay Bucs:
-I know that my offensive line is in decent shape and I just drafted my QB of the future (i hope). I also have a dynamic TE in K2, and can hopefully get a couple more years out of Antonio Bryant.
-So, this offseason, it's all about defense. We need a big game changing presense on the d-line...luckily, there are a couple that will be there at the top of the draft. Early in the second round, i feel like the value is gonna be in the secondary. safety or CB.
-In free agency, I'd want veteran roll players...probably linebackers and pass rushers. Not gonna spend big money this year. just some bodies that can come in and bring some credibiliity to the defense.


2-If I'm running the St. Louis Rams:
-I know that the team can't be competitive with the current situation at QB. my early round 1 pick needs to be the QB of the future. Knowing I have Donnie Avery as a deep threat for the foreseeable future, I want a guy with a big arm...probably Jake Locker.
-I also know that outside of the aforementioned deep threat, there isn't much in the WR department. We have a great RB and a young, emerging o-line to help the QB, but we'll need a big target in the passing game. should be good value in round 2. somebody like Eric Decker or Demaryius Thomas.
-The defense is very much a work in progress. I'm still holding out hope that Chris Long can get it together. with Lauranitis at LB and Bartell and Atogwe in the secondary, things aren't too far off. reminds me of the Bengals a few years ago...we knew they had talent on defense...it just wasn't showing in the games. so, i'm gonna look for a big DT in free agency. a versatile lineman that can play DT or DE. If he can help Carriker and Long reach their potential, he's worth a big FA contract.

3-If I'm running the Detroit Lions;
-this one is easy. big dudes. The Lions have almost gone out of their way to ignore the football cliche; 'it all starts up front'. yes, they have a stud WR, a good looking young QB, a ball hawking safety, a promising TE and a decent RB. but, nothing on either lines. My 2010 draft will include very few people under 275 lbs. BFAA. Best Fatass available. Best o-lineman. then best d-lineman...or vice versa. point is, we have the weapons. now we need to build a foundation.
-in free agency, I'm looking for CBs. and i'll spend good money for one.

4-If I'm running the Cleveland Browns;
-This is tough. We need everything. and we really needed to come away with more impact players than we did in the 2009 draft. things are rough. my o-line is solid. but, we have terrible QB play, WRs that we can only hope will emerge, no weapons at RB, a bad secondary and zero pass rush.
-In the draft, I'm going BPA. If that means a QB in the top 10, then that's what will happen. there is no area of our team that the best player available would be a bad idea.
-In free agency, I'm fully aware that we are more than a good signing or 2 away from competing. we have a roster full of underachievers and Jets backups. So, i'm going bargain hunting. If i can get a couple pieces at the right price, I'm doing it.
-So, yeah, i'm going into the offseason with no plan.

5-If I'm running the Kansas City Chiefs;
-my plan starts with the young guys that are on the fringe of either emerging...or not...Dorsey, Jackson, Albert, Flowers...and, my expensive QB, Matt Cassell.
-also, LJ is out. Jammaal Charles is my RB. and I'm gonna get a big bruiser to compliment him. It will be a change of philosophy in the running game, but things couldn't get worse.
-after that...an edge rushing OLB, a safety or 2, and the best o-lineman available. whether it's through FA or the draft, I know what i need, and I know what I have to build around.

more bad teams later...maybe.

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Damn that's depressing. Same for the Raiders and Uncle Al I guess.
That's my motivation to eat healthy, I figure if I at least make it to 70 years old Snyder will have to be gone by then and I can finally live my final years in life seeing the Skins under new management.
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Redskins and Raiders will never be consistent franchises if their current owners continue their ways. It's been shown time and time again that to build a good, stable franchise that you have to build through the draft and do your homework, getting your types of players. But both teams waste money in FA on big name players, and then they get the types of personalities that foster laziness.

Russell is the type of guy who needed strong leadership around him if he was ever going to suceed. You don't take a QB with work ethic issues, stick him in a crap hole with a bunch of other players who are only there to get paid, and expect good results.

Same thing with the Redskins and Campbell, now I don't want to make too many excuses for the guy but some coaching stability might have helped his development. Can't be easy learning a new offense almost every year.
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I actually think the Rams are doing the right things but when you are devoid of a lot of talent, you have to start from scratch.

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I hope they keep tanking this year, I want that pick to keep moving up.
What's the advice here? lol
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For the Browns, it simply comes down to adding talent.

There were maybe 8 or 9 legitimately good NFL players when Mangini/Kokinis got here. He traded 2 of them (Winslow was damaged goods and Braylon wanted out) for picks and players because the team was so filled with holes. Despite that, Phil Savage had already hijacked Mangini's first draft by trading away 3 of its picks, so even with the trades down, the Browns only ended up with 8 picks.

Currently, the Browns have 11 picks in the 2010 Draft, so the FO has to make those picks count if they want to turn this team around.

Personally, because of the horrible lack of talent, I think quarterback is a bad idea. I also think if they do not get a QB with their 1st pick, it's a waste of time. Suh, Berry, and McCoy are the 3 elite talents in this draft, so getting one of them would be ideal.

They need to finish building the offensive line (the right side is attrocious), develop a consistent running game, and build Rob Ryan's defense. Go with what Mangini knows.

And then it's imperative to fire Brian Daboll, who is a horrible OC.
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People rag on the Pettigrew pick but Pettigrew is Oline aid for sure. Think if the Lions draft Okung(or another stud LT) with Pettigrew next to him and Gosder on the other side. Now that is a fierce looking Tackle/Tight End blocking combo for years. Run off tackle every play since our guards suck. Loper not working out, and Peterman was resigned but just doesn't cut it.

Lions stud DT and stud LT however they fall in Round 1 and 2. Corner in free agency and pay for one as stated. Then a corner or guard in Round 3. Pass rush needs to be more consistent. Decent number of sacks this year but its not consistent. I think a stud DT getting interior rush will help our DEs especially Avril. Julian Peterson can still do some things in that department as well.

Haven't really followed the other teams this year enough to comment.
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Washington Redskins
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It's been many a season since I've seen this many teams with this many godawful W-L rcds. this far into the yr. I expect polarization within 32 teams, haves & have-nots, but damn!

Of these teams, 2 (Skins, Raiders) have meddlesome owners who need to be taken out behind a bldg. & shot for anything meaningful to happen that might turn their teams around.

One (Buffalo) has a 91-yr-old owner just inducted into the HoF & one foot in Toronto where the League is forcing out across an international border to eat into the CFL mkt. I can't see how that is in any way going to improve the W-L rcd. & is almost almost guaranteed to make things far worse.

And one other (Rams) is the most demoralized team I've ever seen, the most likely to go winless but Cleveland could be another one. And they're for sale for an asking price of twice or more what they're worth in this down economy, no takers..... the future for St. Louis looks gloomier than anywhere in the NFL IMO. I wouldn't be surprised to see their draft picks go the UFL or CFL rather than play there.

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but Al at least is old
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4-If I'm running the Cleveland Browns;
-This is tough. We need everything. and we really needed to come away with more impact players than we did in the 2009 draft. things are rough. my o-line is solid. but, we have terrible QB play, WRs that we can only hope will emerge, no weapons at RB, a bad secondary and zero pass rush.
-In the draft, I'm going BPA. If that means a QB in the top 10, then that's what will happen. there is no area of our team that the best player available would be a bad idea.
-In free agency, I'm fully aware that we are more than a good signing or 2 away from competing. we have a roster full of underachievers and Jets backups. So, i'm going bargain hunting. If i can get a couple pieces at the right price, I'm doing it.
-So, yeah, i'm going into the offseason with no plan.
hhmmmm . . . this sounds suspiciously like drowe = Eric Mangini??
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KC Chiefs-Find a a franchise left tackle, an elite pass rusher and a coach that the team will respect

Cleveland Browns-Find a franchise QB, an elite pass rusher and another receiver

St. Louis Rams-Find franchise QB and an elite pass rusher

Tennessee Titans-Fire Jeff Fisher, draft Gerald Mccoy or Suh, give Vince Young one more chance

Tampa Bay Bucs-Draft Mccoy, find franchise Qb and elite pass rusher

Buffalo Bills-Fire Dick decide if Edwards is the future

Washington Redskins-Fire Zorn..hire Holmgren...decide once and for all if campbell is the future

Oakland Raiders-suffocate Al Davis, Trade Russel, drop drafting solely on 40 times

Detroit Lions-Find franchise Left Tackle and elite pass rusher

Carolina Panthers-Find some way to get rid of Jake, find a number 2 reciever

Seattle Seahawks-Fire Mora...find a replacement for Hassleback
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The Titans and Raiders are a consistent quarterback away. The Titans secondary needs some help as well and the Raiders are just too young and immature.

The Redskins need to decide what they're future is. They sign players to be contracts yet are still up in the air about their franchise quarterback. Spend the money wisely. Find a capable GM and have a plan.
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draft them more Rutgers players
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I'd welcome Savage to Sanu in 2 years
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For Oakland I really believe we have alot of talent. The defense is as talented as most any other D's, sure we could use a SLB and a DT but they are good enough to win games. The offence is the problem. Russell is not our future QB, if we can get a vet QB, a RG and a RT we should be alright. Bush, Fargas and DMC are good RB's and our WR's are young.

Only way we make big changes to the coaching scheme is when Al is gone. We are finally blitzing more which is showing us that our D is good, but enough of the deep passing game
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